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I'm hoping that someone out there can explain to me the logic of the new JACK billboard that I see on the Youngman.

"We don't take any crap.....
but we do play some."

I've never seen anything quite like that.
Is it a new ad-wizard concept, or are they just telling the truth?

I'm just sayin'!
 
alw said:
I'm hoping that someone out there can explain to me the logic of the new JACK billboard that I see on the Youngman.

"We don't take any crap.....
but we do play some."

I've never seen anything quite like that.
Is it a new ad-wizard concept, or are they just telling the truth?

I'm just sayin'!

It got your attention didn't it?
 
I'm hoping that someone out there can explain to me?

"We don't take any crap.....
but we do play some."


Al,

It IS the truth and what can one expect when NON-BROADCASTERS are running the show?

Like I've always said about 'Jack' ... their sell line should be ...

'We don't know Jack-s*#& about programming a radio station!"

Kal
 
alw said:
I'm hoping that someone out there can explain to me the logic of the new JACK billboard that I see on the Youngman. "We don't take any crap... but we do play some." I've never seen anything quite like that. Is it a new ad-wizard concept, or are they just telling the truth? I'm just sayin'!
Survey says: Telling the truth.
 
Food for thought only: reverse psychology
A new concept to the radio industry.... the WTF kicker? Get 'em there one way or the other! ;D

And KAL :
'We don't know Jack-s*#& about programming a radio station!"
IIRC..I heard that eminating from your domain on occasion!!!!! ROFLMAO

Bottom line...nothing else is working....jump in the deep end!!

That's all
 
Big City ? Bigger City billboard:

That type of billboard is geared for the *big* cities!
When i travel/vacation... I notice other billboards,
and since I'm not saturated within the market
(while "just visiting") I wont 'catch' all the
inside humor, but I will have the jaw-droppin
punchLine for very clever ad's... that Billboard
struck me as some thing that a TOP 10 market
would *DARE* to do - and, there it works....
-
Since "JACK" FM is a franchised format, it might
have worked in (ie: the BIG City of Dallas) and
since its "the same station" (jack-FM @ ___ )
and even possibly, the same company . . .
-the suits come together, why wont this work ( again).
-
Answer:
Same reason, some thing "buffalo" wont fly, in a smaller
town, like . . . . erie, PA. Think in reverse, we dont have
many, but there are a few strip clubs here(and southern ontario)....
and we slowly got used to seeing the semi-risque billboard.
Now, in a smaller city (say.......) that would be a red flag.
*BUT* say, ie: Tampa Bay ,may look at Buffalo, and think
thats lame & tame compared to how many "sizzlin" signs we have!!
-
my 2cents....
 
New positioner for "Jack" and its clones:

"Like the song we're playing RIGHT NOW? You'll hate the next one!!"

Fucillo auto ads also get my attention. But I'd never actually buy a car from buffoons like that.

(You can get all kinds of "attention" with a stadium air horn.)
 
Why don't they just put a billboard ad up that reads "If you have a request F*** YOU!" while they're at it?
That's the way the station sounds to me.
 
Now that Townsquare has taken over the Regent empire, one wonders if they'll hire a few jocks for WBUF. Given the state of broadcast economics, that doesn't seem likely. (But, ya never know.) WBUF is a (sometimes painful) thorn in the side of Star, 97 Rock and WHTT, yet each of these three stations has a live morning show with very Buffalo-centric personalities. WHTT does select-a-sets (a feature that began in middays about five years ago) and 97 Rock does a stellar job of playing requests with its "barrel of monkeys" feature, putting listeners on the air selectively and orchestrating the chaos. I think most listeners don't expect radio stations to play requests, but stations like 97 Rock and WHTT which creatively showcase requests make a very effective connection, whether those requests are B-sides and deep cuts or from the list of 350 songs that chronically test well.
 
WBUF was a success with the full service personality AC format it ran when Stan Roberts was morning man and Larry White was running and programming it...maybe it needs to revisit those days and become a full service personality-driven, gold-heavy AC once more. That would cost a few $$$, to be sure, but since other stations going for that audience seem a little vulnerable these days there could be $$$ to be made if it's done right.
 
I'm not sure that "Jack" needs to change that much musically. A morning show with a well-known local personality with an irreverent streak (like "Jack") might make a significant difference in their numbers, and create some buzz about the station.
 
Bob1370 said:
WBUF was a success with the full service personality AC format it ran when Stan Roberts was morning man and Larry White was running and programming it...maybe it needs to revisit those days and become a full service personality-driven, gold-heavy AC once more. That would cost a few $$$, to be sure, but since other stations going for that audience seem a little vulnerable these days there could be $$$ to be made if it's done right.

Personality full service A/C is one of my favorite formats. Stan Roberts is a legend. Larry White although I have never worked with him or for him we've had lunch a few times. Larry gets it, he understands good personality radio. Sounds like a winner to me Bob.

On FM an often missing ingredient is a strong aggressive news department. I'd like a station that had hourly casts 24 hours a day. Part of the reason I listen to the radio, besides music and personality is to know what's going on.

Who would you get for the other dayparts?
 
"Who would you get for the other dayparts?"

I don't think Stan is actually available for a daily show--I think he's pretty much retired now, keeping his hand in with some voiceovers in the area. What they might want to do is bring in some of the folks who've had strong track records in personality contemporary or gold radio if they're contractually available and interested (Bill Lacy and Jim Pastrick come immediately to mind) along with recruiting strong young talent to round out the schedule. You'd want to have live news folks to deliver news at least once an hour (twice an hour in the drive times) from 6 AM to 9 PM every day. You'd want to have live local hosts from 6 AM at least to midnight from the start, and eventually make the overnight show live as well once the station's established and doing well.

Anyone who took this signal and programmed it this way would do a lot better with it, ratings-wise and financially, than Jack is doing now.
 
Bob1370 said:
"Who would you get for the other dayparts?" Anyone who took this signal and programmed it this way would do a lot better with it, ratings-wise and financially, than Jack is doing now.
Or so we'd like to think. Jack reaches young adults, 25-49 with a format that features hits from the 80s and 90s, ten, twenty to thirty year old music. Sound a familiar? It's what WBUF did 25 years ago when Stan was doing morning drive. Stan was one of the best, but he's not the answer now. Jack skews younger that WHTT, although both stations are classified as Classic Hits. There are guys on the WBUF staff who know the format. Joe Russo and Dean Sarago would be the first choice for a live Jack. They "get" where the station is aimed. But this argument is moot. More than likely, T-square is concentrating on re-shaping AC WJYE as Joy, keeping WYRK at the top of the heap and making sure WBLK maintains its focus. Taking Jack live isn't even on the radar. Jack sits in the corner and does what the principal wants it to do and doesn't talk back. Hmmm, another liner possibility.
 
"Taking Jack live isn't even on the radar. Jack sits in the corner and does what the principal wants it to do and doesn't talk back. Hmmm, another liner possibility."

And it will financially underperform even its mediocre ratings until it changes.

Too bad.

Didn't anyone learn anything from what happened in New York when Jack torched 101.1 and took it to last place...then a new CBS Radio Division boss blew Jack up just as suddenly, brought WCBS-FM back from the dead with personality classic hits, and revenue damn near doubled even in a down advertising environment while the station went from #22 in the market all the way to #2 in both 12+ and 25-54, and has stayed there every book for the past two years? Same thing could happen to BUF, and probably NOT at the expense of anything else in the TSquare cluster.

Sometimes, if you spend a little money in radio, you can make a LOT more.
 
Bob1370 said:
Didn't anyone learn anything from what happened in New York when Jack torched 101.1 and took it to last place...then a new CBS Radio Division boss blew Jack up just as suddenly, brought WCBS-FM back from the dead with personality

The sales at WCBS never recovered. The station is #2 in audience and #20 in revenues. Why? The audience is too old.

You can't compare Jack in NY with Jack in other markets. The format is still doing well in LA, Denver, and Nashville.

The fact is that the station is accomplishing what it needs to do in Buffalo. Adding personalities or news isn't going to help revenues. It's just money down the drain. They already have the #1 station in town with YRK. No need to canabalize the audience with another format.
 
As a pre-cursor to what may be coming to this thread....is Jack the true target? Is Jack the pawn?
Is Jack the diamond in the rough? Maybe yes, maybe no...but I'm thinking the mind set on this board is getting the idea.
Outside the box thinking..for the industry... (did someone say screw Arbi^@&n ---No? - oops, sorry, my bad)
That's all
 
For those not familiar with Buffalo beyond a rest stop on the Thruway while ordering a Michigan, here's a snapshot of the station's evolution.

WBUF in the early and mid 60s was the Home of Blended Music (aka as elevator music) and the Empire State FM Network. Who doesn't recall "Uncle" Carl Spavento, WBUF's beloved GM?

In the 70s, Bob Allen became part of the landscape and WBUF went from one extreme to the other, flipping to near free form Progressive Rock with a real parrot as mascot, Big Al, named after WBUF owner, Al Wertheimer.

Years later, WBUF was sold to Michigan's Bob Liggett and became B-93 doing format AOR. B-93 begot Jehoshaphat which begot Jehoram, which... just wanted to see if you were paying attention. AOR B-93 fought the good fight with 97 Rock but lost, which gave way to an early form of Chick Rock as AC Foxy 93, WFXZ. That eventually fizzled. Wertheimer got the station back, as the story goes because he held the note and Liggett couldn't make the payments.

Enter Stan Roberts, legendary WKBW and WGR morning man who is said to be the first established AM morning man to make the transition to FM. George Hamberger actually first blazed the trail, going from FM (WYSL-FM) to AM (WYSL) to FM (WGRQ) to WBEN to CFTR and WKBW.

Back to WBUF where Wertheimer installed a group of talented managers from WVOR, his FM AC success story in Rochester. They turned WBUF into a disciplined, music and personality AC station with a respectable news department. For years, it lead the market in ratings and revenue.

But other stations in the mid 80s (notably Rock/Magic 102 and Classic Hits WHTT) began to take bites from the pie and WBUF transitioned to Hot AC Mix 92.9.

Begin the downward spiral. This is where the sequence gets a little fuzzy. Regis, I may need to use my lifeline.

The WBUF mantra became Howard Stern in the Morning, Classic Rock All Day. Stern booked, WBUF flipped to Smooth Jazz as WSJZ, a format that was highly embraced by upper-income folks and the Buffalo Partnership crowd. It did quite well for a while. After about four years, Smooth Jazz began to waver. Stan Roberts returned to do mornings. It wasn't a great fit for either party.

The station flipped to Alternative as WLCE/Alice which had a good, albeit short run. Alice begot Dancin' Oldies. Being the flavor-of-the-day format that it was, DO ran its course. The WBUF call letters were resurrected (CBS paid a hefty price, I'm told) and Buffalo's Rock Station emerged, again, targeting 97 Rock. 97 Rock won that battle.

Guy Talk with Rochester's Brother Wease ensued, followed by a line-up of unremarkable syndicated talkers which failed.

And then, as now, Jack... playing what we want.

WBUF isn't likely to go anywhere near the AC realm these days. It's carved out a niche as a stone-in-the-shoe competitor to 97 Rock, Star and WHTT. Packaged with WBLK, WJYE and/or WYRK, Jack presents an alternative to other clusters' proposals, even though sales reps from competing clusters say WBUF is frequently "given away" to get in on the buy and "market-leaders like WYRK shouldn't have to drop their pants to get in on the buy."

Adding live personalities to Jack's present format might make it better in morning, middays and afternoon drive. But that's a big "might" and there's no compelling reason for Town Square to do that now, especially if its content to run the station as a low overhead spoiler. Put live jocks WBUF and it becomes a war with... 97 Rock, round four? WHTT? Star? At what price? Don't see this happening any time soon.

As to the cannibalization or fragmentation factor, the audiences attracted to WBLK (Heritage Urban), WJYE (formerly Lite Rock Favorites, now moving to Hot AC) or WYRK (Heritage Country) are distinctly different. Jack's not welcome in their neighborhood and he knows it. He stays out.

Jack could be a contender, but Town Square is content to let him be a pretender.
 
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