Jack invokes FCC

[stan]

Listening to Jack FM this weekend, I noticed that the top of hour ID they say something like, "The FCC makes us say KHJK LaPorte -Houston, and the suits make us say 'A Cumulus Broadcasting Station'". And its STILL wrong - as they leave the 'FM' part off.

I thought it was funny.

 

[Radioman100]

Listening to Jack FM this weekend, I noticed that the top of hour ID they say something like, "The FCC makes us say KHJK LaPorte -Houston, and the suits make us say 'A Cumulus Broadcasting Station'". And its STILL wrong - as they leave the 'FM' part off.

I thought it was funny.

Why? There's no KHJK-AM anywhere, so just saying KHJK is perfectly legal.

 

[everclear75]

I guess they are having some fun with the "playing want we want" banter. Because after that ID, they started into Life is a highway, played a few seconds, then started playing eye of the tiger for a few, before settling on Come on Eileen. Thought that was amusing.

 

[jd]

Why? There's no KHJK-AM anywhere, so just saying KHJK is perfectly legal.

You're right. Their call letters are KHJK with no "-FM" suffix. And as ID's go, what they're doing is pretty cool.

 

[rageradio]

It's always been KHJK Laporte, Houston. There's nothing wrong about it. Trust me the FCC has no problems with this one. I like that ID also at first I thought there was a problem with what ever program they use to play the music. It threw me off.

 

[CW]

Why? There's no KHJK-AM anywhere, so just saying KHJK is perfectly legal.

You're right. Their call letters are KHJK with no "-FM" suffix. And as ID's go, what they're doing is pretty cool.

Even with NO KHJK, their callsign COULD be KHJK-FM (remember KKBQ-FM?!)....but its not; its just KHJK...
It's better with the Jack "Voice", Howard Cogan, saying the ID....BUT I gotta admit, I still like the Dallas JACK better most of the time in music (and their ID......KJKK Dallas and KJKK HD1 Dallas Fort Worth....transmitting from a run down building on BEAUTIFUL Carpenter Freeway; they even feed it down the stream .

Someone a while back made a mention about KHJK smashing the audio....lately I have noticed a bigger difference between KHJK and the other FMs....(than before).....not sure if anything was changed...(but I do know I have been getting migranes more often and Orban warns against listener fautige when processing too much ...again, I still like Dallas' JACK audio (and music) even on the stream.....but when in the car, I do have KHJK on a preset and do listen to them more often than anything else on air (heard "Boogie Nights" a couple of days ago and some other 70s stuff I have not heard in a while)

 

[ilistentotheradio]

COULD be KHJK-FM (remember KKBQ-FM?!)....

... there used to be a KKBQ, an AM station. When KKBQ-FM was license, KKBQ (the AM) was still running. so yes, it's KKBQ-FM. It's based on when the license is created, not this very moment.

 

[radioguy141]

Why? There's no KHJK-AM anywhere, so just saying KHJK is perfectly legal.

You're right. Their call letters are KHJK with no "-FM" suffix. And as ID's go, what they're doing is pretty cool.

Even with NO KHJK, their callsign COULD be KHJK-FM (remember KKBQ-FM?!)....but its not; its just KHJK...

Look at KILT... On 610 its KILT Houston.... on 100.3 its KILT-FM Houston...

790 used to be KKBQ now changed to KBME, so 92.9 does not have to state FM in their legal id... just KKBQ Pasadena-Houston

 

[ilistentotheradio]

Why? There's no KHJK-AM anywhere, so just saying KHJK is perfectly legal.

You're right. Their call letters are KHJK with no "-FM" suffix. And as ID's go, what they're doing is pretty cool.

Even with NO KHJK, their callsign COULD be KHJK-FM (remember KKBQ-FM?!)....but its not; its just KHJK...

Look at KILT... On 610 its KILT Houston.... on 100.3 its KILT-FM Houston...

790 used to be KKBQ now changed to KBME, so 92.9 does not have to state FM in their legal id... just KKBQ Pasadena-Houston

I disagree. It's what it says on the LICENSE, and the license says KKBQ-FM.

While we're at it, there is a KTBZ (AM) in OK.

 

[rageradio]

COULD be KHJK-FM (remember KKBQ-FM?!)....

That only applies if theres an am under the same calls anywhere. If anyone is wrong its KKBQ because the license still reads KKBQ-FM. For KHJK it does not.

 

[radioguy141]

While we're at it, there is a KTBZ (AM) in OK.

Yes. CC owns a sports station in OK also using the 'buzz' moniker, but since the two stations are not in the same market, no FM needed on 945.....

 

[jd]

While we're at it, there is a KTBZ (AM) in OK.

Yes. CC owns a sports station in OK also using the 'buzz' moniker, but since the two stations are not in the same market, no FM needed on 945.....

It doesn't matter whether it's the same market, or if there's an AM station anywhere with the same set of letters. Like you said earlier, what matters is what your call letters are on your license. If it has the "-FM" suffix on it, that's what your ID must say. If it doesn't, you don't have to say it.

 

[ilistentotheradio]

While we're at it, there is a KTBZ (AM) in OK.

Yes. CC owns a sports station in OK also using the 'buzz' moniker, but since the two stations are not in the same market, no FM needed on 945.....

Please show me in the rules where it says "same market". :

 

[Radioman100]

When it comes right down to it, does it really matter to anyone except radio geeks? I doubt it. The Commission certainly doesn't seem to care, and that's all that really matters when you get right down to it.

I've heard airchecks of when 102.7 and 1150 simulcast in LA. They IDed "KIIS FM and AM Los Angeles." I'm pretty sure legally it should have been "KIIS Los Angeles and KIIS-FM Los Angeles" but did they ever get fined for it? Not that I'm aware of.

I've also heard a lot of stations that simulcast on FM and AM just broadcast the call letters with no FM suffix - "WXYZ Anytown." I've never heard of anyone getting fined for doing that either.

I guess what I'm saying is if the Commission doesn't care, why should we?

 

[jd]

I guess what I'm saying is if the Commission doesn't care, why should we?

OK, I'll agree with you up to a point. But why would a station leave themselves open to getting a NAL and wind up paying a fine over something so "trivial" as airing an illegal ID? Maybe if the FCC found a violation with an improper ID they could find something else, too. Stations really don't like writing checks for stupid mistakes.

 

[CW]

Folks,
when I said in an earlier message about KKBQ-FM, I was merely pointing out this had been dsicussed before and indeed, KKBQ-FM is their LEGAL callsign as licensed; though 790 has been KBME for some time.

BTW as to 94.5:
KTBZ-FM TX HOUSTON USA
Licensee: AMFM TEXAS LICENSES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP
Service Designation: FM 'Full Service' FM station or application

YES, their LEGAL callsign is KTBZ-FM......if they are leaving the FM suffix off on their TOH, they ARE in violation of Part 73....(FCC 73.1201b).

Enough said.

 

[rageradio]

When it comes right down to it, does it really matter to anyone except radio geeks? I doubt it. The Commission certainly doesn't seem to care, and that's all that really matters when you get right down to it.

I've heard airchecks of when 102.7 and 1150 simulcast in LA. They IDed "KIIS FM and AM Los Angeles." I'm pretty sure legally it should have been "KIIS Los Angeles and KIIS-FM Los Angeles" but did they ever get fined for it? Not that I'm aware of.

I've also heard a lot of stations that simulcast on FM and AM just broadcast the call letters with no FM suffix - "WXYZ Anytown." I've never heard of anyone getting fined for doing that either.

I guess what I'm saying is if the Commission doesn't care, why should we?

When KRBE used to simulcast on 1070am in the 80s and early 90s. They always ID's as "KRBE FM and AM Houston", I never thought that was legal but I guess it was since they did it for so long.


Back on the subject of KHJK, this is how the license reads:

KHJK TX LA PORTE USA

Licensee: CMP KC LICENSING, LLC
Service Designation: FM 'Full Service' FM station or application

Channel/Class: 279C Frequency: 103.7 MHz Licensed


...there is no -FM suffix in the calls, therefore its not necessary to say in the TOH ID

 

[Bobby Chaffin]

I'm surprised there isn't a specific KPRC -AM in the ID... or is there? Since there is a KPRC - TV and a KPRC - FM somewhere on the California coast.

 

[jd]

I'm surprised there isn't a specific KPRC -AM in the ID... or is there? Since there is a KPRC - TV and a KPRC - FM somewhere on the California coast.

As a holdover from the olden days, stations on the AM band are still regarded as "standard broadcast" stations by the FCC. Therefore the letters "AM" are not part of their official call letters.

 

[CW]

When it comes right down to it, does it really matter to anyone except radio geeks? I doubt it. The Commission certainly doesn't seem to care, and that's all that really matters when you get right down to it.

I've heard airchecks of when 102.7 and 1150 simulcast in LA. They IDed "KIIS FM and AM Los Angeles." I'm pretty sure legally it should have been "KIIS Los Angeles and KIIS-FM Los Angeles" but did they ever get fined for it? Not that I'm aware of.

I've also heard a lot of stations that simulcast on FM and AM just broadcast the call letters with no FM suffix - "WXYZ Anytown." I've never heard of anyone getting fined for doing that either.

I guess what I'm saying is if the Commission doesn't care, why should we?

When KRBE used to simulcast on 1070am in the 80s and early 90s. They always ID's as "KRBE FM and AM Houston", I never thought that was legal but I guess it was since they did it for so long.

Illegal, it was....."KRBE-FM Houston, KRBE Houston" would have been legal...MAYBE "KRBE-FM and KRBE Houston" but there is NO -AM suffix on any AM station callsign....and thus what they used was illegal....Just because people drive 90miles an hour down the highway and dont get CAUGHT doesnt make that legal either