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Jack without the flak?

Jack flak?

I take none of this personally. Get real.

Not bashing it? Go back and re-read your previous post- you have nothing positive to say about it and are blowing it off as a fad (while at the same time saying it may last and it may not).

There IS something about the Jack approach to "get"- and most radio naysayers do not and, by your characterization of the format, neither do you.


> I'm not bashing "Jack"...I rather enjoy "Mike" in Boston.
> As for whether it sticks around or not...doesn't matter to
> me one way or another.
>
> My comments are that there is nothing to "get" about it.
> Some people like the music mix, others don't, but it's just
> another radio format, not some lifestyle-altering
> phenomenon. You're taking this way too personally.
>
 
Re: Jack flak? The status quo

I AGREE WITH Oldiescat -- the anti-Jack flack, in other words, negative Jack
demise posters, is wearing thin.



FOR THOSE NAYSAYERS* (*this does not including OC, because he is NOT, I repeat
NOT a naysayer)


NAYSAYER* COMMENT: One poster above, not Oldiescat, mentions that as for the Jack listeners, the Cogan liners and overall cocky Jack presentation is more
of an annoyance and the "playing what we want" attitude is negative to listeners claiming listeners simply don't get it or understand the hype:


TIBBS responds: IN DEFENSE of Howard Cogan and the actual use of the JACK name/trademark/concept:
I will venture that VH stations NOT using Howard Cogan/Jack COULD give up a full point in ratings because of the attitude vs. non-attitude and that Cogan's voice is different enough and snide, sometimes funny and even intriguing compared to Ben, Dave, Max, etc.

To the Naysayers: Where's YOUR creativity? The baby boomers don't want just the wimpy AC crap anymore (fact), they want to feel younger than they are (fact), they are better educated and enjoy life more than the generation before them (fact) AND many programmers have buried their heads in the sand and stuck to the contrieved "rules." Listeners want diversity, educated entertainment, sophisticated advertising and a well put together sound that is fresh and exciting instead of overdone and boring.What listeners don't get is boring, under performing cookie cutter radio.


NAYSAYERS* COMMENT: The future is doomed. Jack will fail.

Tibbs responds: The future is unknown to ALL of us. Look at what is happening today and forget tomorrow for a while. Because Jack is/can kick alot of butts in the short term. I can support this with ratings success stories, just like Oldiescat has previously. I venture to say Jack --- DONE PROPERLY --- and other similarly formatted alternative sounding variety stations will make the grade. Long term? Who knows. Better yet? Who cares, at this point. The #1 job is to be tops in the market today and continue to evolve stations instead of putting them on auto pilot or a death march. (Agreeing with MusicloverII on the death of Jammin' Oldies and Real 80's formats by bad decision making.) Remember people follow a leader and Jacks the #1 game. That'll eventually change and the next savvy sound will get attention. Nothing wrong with that. It's natural progression. Quit playing it so safe, it's costing radio to much.

NAYSAYERS* COMMENT: Well it's failing in NY, so it's just a matter of time
before it fails nationally.

Tibbs response: As to why WCBS is "failing" - when have they attempted
to evolve the music to what the true demo of NYC demands? It's common sense and they are playing to a tiny segment of the population that doesn't really want to hear Huey Lewis and the News -- so take the reigns and pep it up and position it to a younger demographic that will respond (or older, hense more oldies, or whatever) -- that's the beauty of Jack -- listeners still think it's
"no rules radio."

I hope this edited version is clear enough to understand. OC, you're
still buying dinner. And it won't be McDonald's.


NAYSAYERS* (*this does not including OC, because he is NOT, I repeat
NOT a naysayer)<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 10/04/05 02:45 AM.</FONT></P>
 
out to lunch

I never said the JACK approach is wearing thin.

And all I can add about your analysis of JACK is: yer high and totally out of touch with radio in 2005.
 
Re: out to lunch

> I never said the JACK approach is wearing thin.
>
> And all I can add about your analysis of JACK is: yer high
> and totally out of touch with radio in 2005.
>


Wait a second...

I said this on my previous post Oldiescat:

"I agree w/ OC -- the anti-Jack flak is wearing thin."

Translate: I AGREE WITH OLDIESCAT THE ANTI-JACK FLAK (actually
spelled Flack) IS WEARING THIN.... the key word, I agree with
you Oldiescat that all of the posters bitching is wearing thin.
Not you.

So, I guess your out to lunch as well for me AGREEING with you?

Reread my post when you are alert, my friend. I was responding
to other peoples anti-Jack comments. I will say this - all that
I said (my responses to COMMENTS made by negative posters, hereto
referenced as "COMMENTS" in my previous post.) are facts as I
see them. If you agree with the concept of Jack (or various
"VH" formats, as you seem to have done for months) how could you
disagree with anything I said. Not one of those negative comments has
come directly from you, Oldiescat. What gives? How's your #1 rated
Jack station doing? I will edit my previous post to make sense
to the speed readers. I don't have time to smoke anything. Like
a good bottle of incredible worldclass vino, though. Out of touch
with radio, huh? Okay. I'll let that one pass. Ouch.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 10/04/05 02:07 AM.</FONT></P>
 
both out to lunch

Gotcha- the "flak" is wearing thin. It didn't read that way. We are, indeed, both out to lunch, then (at least accoring to the Jack haters).

(and I'm buying for the faux pas).

>
> Wait a second...
>
> I said this on my previous post Oldiescat:
>
> "I agree w/ OC -- the anti-Jack flak is wearing thin."
>
> Translate: I AGREE WITH OLDIESCAT THE ANTI-JACK FLAK
> (actually spelled Flack) IS WEARING THIN.... the key word, I agree
> with you Oldiescat that all of the posters bitching is wearing
> thin. Not you.
>
> So, I guess your out to lunch as well for me AGREEING with you?
>
> Reread my post when you are alert, my friend. I was
> responding to other peoples anti-Jack comments. I will say this - all
> that I said (my responses to COMMENTS made by negative posters,
> hereto referenced as "COMMENTS" in my previous post.) are facts as
> I see them. If you agree with the concept of Jack (or various
> "VH" formats, as you seem to have done for months) how could
> you disagree with anything I said. Not one of those negative
> comments has come directly from you, Oldiescat. What gives? How's your #1
> rated Jack station doing? I will edit my previous post to make
> sense to the speed readers. I don't have time to smoke anything.
> Like a good bottle on incredible worldclass vino, though. Out of
> touch with radio, huh? Okay. I'll let that one pass. Ouch.
>
 
Re: both out to lunch

Hey, OC,
I know you're on now, so I had a little fun above, don't take it
personally (I know you won't) You're the best.
 
lunch

OK, just for that, YOU'RE buying!


> Hey, OC, I know you're on now, so I had a little fun above, don't
> take it personally (I know you won't) You're the best.
>
 
> > > How about a "Jack"-type format with live personality
> > > announcers??
> > >
> > > I think it would be wildly successful!
> > >
> > Honestly, don't see how personalities will make a lick of
> a
> > difference. The "star" of the format is the music, not
> DJs.
>
> Exactly. The addition of personalities would defeat the
> purpose of some of these Jack stations that put the music
> first.

And to be honest, it would be hard to justify anything more than quick-in-quick-out backsellers (like in Denver) for those Jacks like Chicago who have put out several sweeps (some Cogan, most of them callers) attacking DJs in general and certain DJs (Eric and Kathy at WTMX in Chicago) in particular. I still think CD94.7 was permanently hurt by bringing Kevin Matthews into morning drive after all of the sweepers promising "no boring morning show."

And I see this morning that 'TMX is starting a call-in dating show in evening time next week. I assume the scripts for the sweepers putting *that* down have already been E-mailed to Cogan for him to cut.
 
Re: Bob and 102.3

I still prefer Bob, but the magic is gone since they dumped Howard Cogan. The Bob announcer is not convincing at all.

Bob is now #2 in the ratings. 102.3 is not doing as well as Bob. I do not know how 102.3 uis doing. Country music KASE is number one by a slight margin.

> > Two months after Bob-FM started in Austin and got #1
> > ratings, Classic Rock Z-102 fired all its jocks, expanded
> > its playlist and for about six months was automated as
> > Channel 102.3-Austin's World Class Radio Station. Their
> > playlist rocks a bit more than Bob. There is no disco,
> but
> > they do play songs outside of Classic Rock such as Monday,
>
> > Monday.
> >
> > I think their playlist is very similar to Bob, but they
> are
> > just there to serve the public and play good music (their
> > mission, sort of).
>
> What is the ratings battle now? Is Bob continuing to beat
> 102.3? Which station do you prefer?
>
> >
> >
>
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Re: Jack flak?

Bob has been #1 in Austin for a year and has only been #2 in the last two books. #2 is still a success. Just ask Avis.


>
> The whole Jack "phenomenon" has only been around for 6
> months or so...the history of broadcasting is filled with
> one-book wonders. We don't know yet if Jack is going to be
> a long-term success.
>
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Jack

It will be- most will eventually add talent. It will be part of the continuous freshening and evolution of the format (and NOT the "wah-Jack's a conspiracy to get rid of disc jockeys because corporate radio is cheap!").


> How about a "Jack"-type format with live personality announcers?I think it would > be wildly successful!
 
Bob/Jack

Totally true- in fact, I believe (have been told) they're #1 25-54 and have been for a good stretch.

Whether 1st or 2nd, my best is most Austin stations would love to "be Bob".

> Bob has been #1 in Austin for a year and has only been #2 in
> the last two books. #2 is still a success. Just ask Avis.
 
Re: Jocks; How Is This Scenario?

> It will be- most will eventually add talent. It will be
> part of the continuous freshening and evolution of the
> format (and NOT the "wah-Jack's a conspiracy to get rid of
> disc jockeys because corporate radio is cheap!").
>
>
> > How about a "Jack"-type format with live personality
> announcers?I think it would > be wildly successful!
>


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Re: Bob/Jack

I think Bob-FM is #1 or #2 because they play better music than Jack. I hear many hits from the eighties and some from the seventies that I had not heard on radio in a while.

I have listened to other VH stations and they had more late eighties and nineties music. It did not appeal to me to hear most of the songs from the nineties.

> Totally true- in fact, I believe (have been told) they're #1
> 25-54 and have been for a good stretch.
>
> Whether 1st or 2nd, my best is most Austin stations would
> love to "be Bob".
>
> > Bob has been #1 in Austin for a year and has only been #2
> in
> > the last two books. #2 is still a success. Just ask
> Avis.
>
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