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Jack's failure: no return to Oldies

jack failure=not!

David- we're on the same page, man.
>
> Then read Inside Radio where they point out that Jack is the
> number 1 25-54 English station in LA in its first book
> there. I want to fail like that, too.
>
 
Re: 80's format, Corrected again.

> I understand you had them on-the-air. I'm talking about
> them being on-air AND being successful (good ratings and
> decent revenue)- that's how we measure success in radio, not
> just having a signal.

You are producing annoying noise like an FM radio does at the end of the dial.

WXXY was #7 18-34 all persons in their last book out of 40 signals. Not bad for a 6kw directional signal, among full signals off the Sears Tower.

It would have been better if it was #7 25-54, but not all stations can target that. Can't get water out of a stone.

But you being an "industry" person, you should known that. <P ID="signature">______________

"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
Re: Jack's "failure"

Is that where Brandmeier was in LA?

What happened to the good old days before the LOOP was destroyed?

Reminds me of the Bears post '85

McCaskey dismantling the greatest team ever...
> > NEWS FLASH: Jack hasn't failed yet. It was only on for
> > about 3 weeks of the Spring book.
> >
> > So, to engage in a discussion about the "next format"
> would
> > be, well, stupid.
> >
> I agree. It looks like Jack-FM in Los Angeles is playing
> with a full
> deck. Because they've been winning so far since the change
> from the
> classic rock oldies (Arrow) format.
>
 
Clarification...

> My friend, this is exactly the mindset that kills radio.

> A station is on-the-air for less than 3 weeks of the book
> and the term "failure"
> is already being attached to it.

I'm talking long term, big picture, the future. Is this what you would be happy with on every station?

Most of these stations
> have barely had the chance to get on the air, almost all
> much less than fully-developed, and you'd be "embarrassed"?

I should have stated that the JACK format here and there and in and of itself is fine. If the sixties taught us nothing else it is "everybody has to be somebody". Or someplace. Or something. I can't remember.

It's Infinity using it as some sort of pancea to solve their many problems.

Here's a company that hasn't made a good call in five years and now they think this is the answer? If I owned a stake in JACK, I'd get worried.

> People HAVE BEEN complaining about Jack since the day they
> started signing on- the-air. Hundreds of posts on these
> boards gripe about it not being this or that idea of their
> kind of radio. Go through the various Jack posts and do
> your homework before you make a statement like "nobody's
> complaining".

People are without a doubt complaining, I just don't think you can understand what they are complaing about. People are complaing that "their radio" has been taken away. Frankly, they're right.

>
> It's pretty easy reading these posts who the small-market
> thinkers in our industry are.
>

My "industry" is broadcasting. What's yours? If you think this is good broadcasting, you have no absolutely no concept of the term. Sorry.



The best thing I can say about JACK is has made the word "snarky" a much more widely used term (ie regarding the voice of JACK).
 
Re: Jack's "failure"

> Is that where Brandmeier was in LA?
>
Yes, he did the Morning drive on Arrow 93 here in Los Angeles until they
flipped the format to JACK-FM. I believe he is still under contract with
Infinity. Where that will take him, I don't know.
Prior to his Morning gig at Arrow. He did a show which was simulcasted a few
years back on KLSX-FM in Los Angeles, and on WCKG-FM in Chicago. I guess it
didn't work out number wise. Therfore his showgram was cancelled.

But, I did like listening to him on the Arrow. I thought he was more entertaining than Joe Benson. To bad that LA could't adapt to his style.
But, I'm sure wherever he might resurface. He will be doing his show from
Hollywood.

> What happened to the good old days before the LOOP was
> destroyed?
>
It's hard for me to say, because at the time. I was a big WGCI-FM
listener.
> Reminds me of the Bears post '85
>
> McCaskey dismantling the greatest team ever..
Well, let's see whats happens on this team. They're just getting started.

>> > NEWS FLASH: Jack hasn't failed yet. It was only on for
>
> > > about 3 weeks of the Spring book.
> > >
> > > So, to engage in a discussion about the "next format"
> > would
> > > be, well, stupid.
> > >
> > I agree. It looks like Jack-FM in Los Angeles is playing
> > with a full
> > deck. Because they've been winning so far since the change
>
> > from the
> > classic rock oldies (Arrow) format.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
art estrada</P>
 
By the way...

We may have met. We may yet meet in the future. Just because our veiws differ on certain subjects, remember at some point we might find ourselves sharing our favorite adult beverage together while attempting to enlighten each other further.

I keep no enemies. Ask any of my friends.

One good friend of my had a perfect term for message board postings. He called it "mental m*sterb*tion".

Keep that one in you back pocket.
 
Keep in mind...

....that at a time Tim Allen's "Home Improvement" had better ratings than "Seinfeld".

And where are those shows now? (Hint: one I can't find, the other I can't miss).


And my invite to OLDIESCAT (Titled "By The Way") applies to you also. With open arms.
 
Re: Clarification...

>
> Here's a company that hasn't made a good call in five years
> and now they think this is the answer? If I owned a stake
> in JACK, I'd get worried.

#1 25-54 in English in LA in one book. that is not a good move? I'd say it was absolutely brilliant.
>
> People are without a doubt complaining, I just don't think
> you can understand what they are complaing about. People
> are complaing that "their radio" has been taken away.
> Frankly, they're right.

They cancel TV shows, too. All the time. Because they have dropped in ratings or never got any. People are actually really used to that.
>
> My "industry" is broadcasting. What's yours? If you think
> this is good broadcasting, you have no absolutely no concept
> of the term. Sorry.

The Infinity moves from formats that were getting older every year was sensible. They bailed out before the plane crased and burnt. Good thinking. Good radio.
 
please don't put words in my mouth *DELETED*

Post deleted by WYTZZ95FM
 
TV

The same network that shows Seinfeld shows Home Improvement- a one hour block every early evening.

What do a couple of TV shows have to do with JACK?


> ....that at a time Tim Allen's "Home Improvement" had better
> ratings than "Seinfeld".
>
> And where are those shows now? (Hint: one I can't find,
> the other I can't miss).
 
more noise

I'll maintain if they were a true ratings AND revenue success, they'd still be around. They made ZERO noise in the radio industry, regardless of what they did.

And "woulda/coulda/shoulda" with signals? C'mon- they did what they did. What they may have done with a bigger signal doesn't matter at this point.
>
> WXXY was #7 18-34 all persons in their last book out of 40
> signals. Not bad for a 6kw directional signal, among full
> signals off the Sears Tower.
>
> It would have been better if it was #7 25-54, but not all
> stations can target that. Can't get water out of a stone.
>
> But you being an "industry" person, you should known that.
>
 
Re: Jack's "failure"

> > Is that where Brandmeier was in LA?
> >
> Yes, he did the Morning drive on Arrow 93 here in Los
> Angeles until they
> flipped the format to JACK-FM. I believe he is still under
> contract with
> Infinity. Where that will take him, I don't know.
> Prior to his Morning gig at Arrow. He did a show which was
> simulcasted a few
> years back on KLSX-FM in Los Angeles, and on WCKG-FM in
> Chicago. I guess it
> didn't work out number wise. Therfore his showgram was
> cancelled.
>
> But, I did like listening to him on the Arrow. I thought he
> was more entertaining than Joe Benson. To bad that LA
> could't adapt to his style.
> But, I'm sure wherever he might resurface.

I never listened to the guy before, but is he real talented? Perhaps he could go on KRTH, but I guess Infinity will keep Hollywood Hamilton.


> > What happened to the good old days before the LOOP was
> > destroyed?
> >
> It's hard for me to say, because at the time. I was a big
> WGCI-FM
> listener.
> > Reminds me of the Bears post '85
> >
> > McCaskey dismantling the greatest team ever..
> Well, let's see whats happens on this team. They're just
> getting started.
>
> >> > NEWS FLASH: Jack hasn't failed yet. It was only on
> for
> >
> > > > about 3 weeks of the Spring book.
> > > >
> > > > So, to engage in a discussion about the "next format"
> > > would
> > > > be, well, stupid.
> > > >
> > > I agree. It looks like Jack-FM in Los Angeles is playing
>
> > > with a full
> > > deck. Because they've been winning so far since the
> change
> >
> > > from the
> > > classic rock oldies (Arrow) format.
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
Re: Clarification...

> >
> > Here's a company that hasn't made a good call in five
> years
> > and now they think this is the answer? If I owned a stake
>
> > in JACK, I'd get worried.
>
> #1 25-54 in English in LA in one book. that is not a good
> move? I'd say it was absolutely brilliant.
> >
> > People are without a doubt complaining, I just don't think
>
> > you can understand what they are complaing about. People
> > are complaing that "their radio" has been taken away.
> > Frankly, they're right.
>
> They cancel TV shows, too. All the time. Because they have
> dropped in ratings or never got any. People are actually
> really used to that.
> >
> > My "industry" is broadcasting. What's yours? If you
> think
> > this is good broadcasting, you have no absolutely no
> concept
> > of the term. Sorry.
>
> The Infinity moves from formats that were getting older
> every year was sensible. They bailed out before the plane
> crased and burnt. Good thinking. Good radio.
>

Agreed. Technically Infinity made some smart business and money decisions. We the listeners may not like it, but there is more money involved for Infinity. I am not saying that what Infinity did was right, but it was pretty smart.
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin</P>
 
Re: please don't put words in my mouth

It's obvious we're talking two different things here.

I'm concerned about the long term integrity of the medium.

I'm not sure what you're concerned about...
 
realy, Sherlock?

Gee, no kidding.

It was a bad one.

> It's called an analogy.
>
 
Re: more noise, as you are misinforned, AGAIN.

> I'll maintain if they were a true ratings AND revenue
> success, they'd still be around. They made ZERO noise in
> the radio industry, regardless of what they did.
>

They made enough noise for a full signal to take on the format and then kill it.

And, as your final correction, they can't be around, their company sold off all properties to pay off their massive debt. Bad upper management killed off the company not the stations respective formats.

But, of course, you probably knew that too but forgot to mention it.

Thank you.<P ID="signature">______________

"Z"
Music Coordinator/Technical Support</P>
 
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