JELLI IN VEGAS

[fybush]

The example of WFBC and WTPT isn't relevant here: those stations were both licensed before 1964 and are grandfathered under a completely different set of spacing rules from the ones that apply to newer stations like 94.5 and 96.7.

I haven't looked at the spacings precisely, but it's a complicated thing: there are restrictions as to how close the Moapa/Bunkerville stations can be to their second-adjacent Vegas neighbors, which operate from two different sites: 94.1 and 96.3 are on Black Mountain, if memory serves, while 97.1 is on the more distant Mount Potosi. Then there are the requirements that each signal put 70 dBu over its own city of license. There are some other spacing issues to take into account - 94.5, for instance, has a first-adjacent to protect down in the Lake Havasu area. And there's the booster issue: to make a booster system work correctly, you want to have a calculated 60 dBu contour that covers as much of the target market as possible, but you want to put your "main" transmitter at a site that actually doesn't put much signal into the target market, preventing interference between the main and the booster.

It's not an easy thing to do well, even for the experts, and it can be a very expensive thing to get wrong. (Just ask anyone in San Diego watching the KSIQ follies...)

 

[musicman3355]

According the KXLI's Wikipedia page, it say that "The Vibe" can also be heard on The Highway Stations from 12AM-4AM... can any confirm if this is true?

 

[bilco]

>>>>>, if memory serves, while 97.1 is on the more distant Mount Potosi. <<<<<<<<

When 97.1 KXPT Point moved to Mt. Potosi, many years ago, it made the Creation of the KVEG 97.5 possible. Prior to that move KXPT was on Black Mt. Arden and the Mesquite spacing would not have been possible.
The added coverage of Mt. Potosi does make it worthy it however.
Bill C. Cheif Engineer, Lotus Las Vegas

 

[kfitz]

Re: JELLI IN VEGAS Signals

Bilco is quite right...

97.5 benefits from 97.1 being at Mt. Potasi as its 2nd adjacent lower; it has no blocking station on second or third adjacent upper; 98.1, Brian Head, UT and 97.9, Needles, CA (in Oatman, AZ) are non factors.

96.7 has 96.3 as a second adjacent which is at Black mtn near Henderson, much further to the east; 96.7 can never be at 97.5's site because of this shortage (96.7 has required 105 km distance, is 105.56 km from 96.3); had it been built further to the north (slightly further away) it might have been able to have better 60 dBu contour coverage because of favorable lower elevations towards the Vegas valley (ooops); of course this would place the site at a hard to get to plot on BLM land; getting a lease from BLM is never an easy thing....2 to 4 years and great expense.

94.5 has 94.1 as second adjacent which is at Black mtn....same issue as 96.3. I had almost forgotten about 94.5's translator interference issue (ouch).

All of these issues also apply to the 93.5 which has been on again off again.

As I mentioned before, the proposed 95.9 moved back to St. George, UT from the same site as 94.5, 96.7, 93.5....its my understanding that the owners felt a good full Class C in St. George, UT was better then a so-so rim shot into Vegas.

KF

 

[lfuss]

Jelli

The surest route to failure is to try to please everybody. Using a social network to program a radio station is a recipe for disaster, even within the confines of a specific genre of music. I listed to both stations for about an hour one day, flipping back and force between the two. I never heard a single song I recognized and since I currently program an AC, a Hot AC and a CHR, I know the music. The terrible signal on both will also hurt them. I can't pick up either one in my house in far northwest Vegas. I give it 12 months tops, depending on hiow deep their pockets are.

Larry Fuss

 

[bilco]

I'm just an engineer but I can't understand how the whole idea works. If the station plays 100% by request, the average selection is maybe 3 minutes long, a 24 hour day is 1440 minutes long, that means only 480 possible selections can be played each day. Subtract time for spots, promos, ID's, weather, PSA's traffic Etc. that means the station will probably only be able to do about 400 or less selections per day. If each individual calls in only once per day, 400 is a pretty small listenership. That's 025% of the possible audience. In a market of 1.6 million or more, that equates to almost no ratings. I doubt many would listen to the stuff all day long just to hear the one they requested. Likely they will have a small group who call in a lot of stuff, and MAYBE that will please a large enough audience to make the stations comnmercially viable. What I've heard so far doesn't impress me.

 

[lfuss]

Is that an automated voice announcing the stuff like "here's one requested by vegasgirl666"? If so, I sure hope they have the bad words filtered out. It wouldn't take long for kids to create an e-mail address like "f***ing***hole42" and start making requests under that name.

If it's not automated, it sure sounds like it. Not quite as bad as the NOAA weather radio voice, but almost.

LF

 

[iknowpeople]

the station will probably only be able to do about 400 or less selections per day. If each individual calls in only once per day, 400 is a pretty small listenership. That's 025% of the possible audience. In a market of 1.6 million or more, that equates to almost no ratings.

Bilco: in Top 40 radio especially, there are only 50 or so tracks they play...not to mention all the 1.6 million+ don't each have an individual song to request. Rock, perhaps a bit of a deeper playlist, but again many requests are the same.

Is that an automated voice announcing the stuff like "here's one requested by vegasgirl666"?

LFuss: Yeah it is...and I've been hearing either other stations or prankers use usernames of other radio stations. Pretty funny actually.

They'll keep this format for as long as they want, because ultimately it's cheap as sin. No real music director. It's a web app. Piece of cake for them. Their biggest issue is no one can hear them.

 

[bilco]

Bilco: in Top 40 radio especially, there are only 50 or so tracks they play...not to mention all the 1.6 million+ don't each have an individual song to request. Rock, perhaps a bit of a deeper playlist, but again many requests are the same.

I remember top 40 radio, from back about 40 years ago when I started in the business. Now most stations have a basic block of stuff they play, augmented with some "Oldies" some "Once in a blue moon" and some new stuff. The days of top 40 pure radio have been dead for years. The definition of what an oldies is, will vary depending on the format and how far back they want to go, the once in a bluemoon stuff is usually great classic rock, country or such. An all rquest format lends it self to that kind of abuse. IF I call everyday wanting to hear the long form of some Alice Cooper or Garth Brooks selection, I help limit what can be played for/by others
It in not necessary for all 1.6 million to request, but there needs to be a significant number of folks making requests that are not "the same" as you mention above. Without the numbers, the stations are an expensive hobby or write off.