Jon and Sherri out at Klove

[radioboy]

The 20 the Countdown Magazine host is Derek Whitehead, who was already a writer/producer for the program.

My station carries this show and the one for next week is here already. Whitehead says he is "filling in" for Jon Rivers.

Whatever the situation, it's unfortunate, amd my prayers are with Jon and Sherri.

 

[nitnitr]

The 20 the Countdown Magazine host is Derek Whitehead, who was already a writer/producer for the program.

My station carries this show and the one for next week is here already. Whitehead says he is "filling in" for Jon Rivers.

Whatever the situation, it's unfortunate, amd my prayers are with Jon and Sherri.

What I got from Westar is it is Garrick Whitehead, and yes he is as you say, a producer for the show. They told me Jon is returning next week. Whether or not K-Love will continue the show remains to be seen.

 

[Ready for air]

This is now more about "what can we learn from this?" Why would Klove handle this in a career killing way.
From day one of Jon & Sherry being off the air the vague implications of issues made them damaged goods, period. This is a format that views talent and artists with a critical eye: ask Sandy Patti and Michael English. Even with forgiveness you pay a price. Klove waited two weeks for what before cutting them loose? If they had been rebaptized by Billy Graham himself they would not have had the credibility and impact they carried to this network for a full decade.
Klove has a great reputation but I don't think any of us would want to be "handled" this way if we did something. As for IDs they always had the best promos period. Even now some changes seem to have occured making me wonder if they're overthinking everything or just bored themselves with themselves.

 

[anotherguyTN]

So was 20 still on K-LOVE this past weekend, and who hosted? I wasn't able to catch it at the normal time for it becasue of working.

 

[eddie.pritchett]

i hope klove can get a better morning show. how about j d chanler in the morning. he is my favorite

 

[xmusicmatt]

Hisair.net is reporting that Jon river's will be return to K-Love soon..

 

[eatsbreathesradio]

With all the rumblings we're hearing about the Rivers being off K-LOVE and possibly returning again, this goes to show you what kind of a "mega ministry" they are: their business dealings with others are as UN-Christian like as you'd ever imagine...let me give you an example:

I worked for a small, regional Christian station that was purchased by our ministry in 2001...formerly a secular FM, it never amounted to anything and the owner burned out after running it for 3 years. Under our operation, it struggled also and financially taxed corporate coffers as we ran it separate from the home base 4 hours away. In 2005 KLOVE showed an interest in buying it....our BOD turned a very low offer down(I think it was 165K). A few months later they increased the price(650K) and our board was studying the proposal very intently. Our small staff was worried about the "local" presence going away if the sale was consumated (including our own jobs). We didn't hide it from our listeners...the outpouring in prayer and support which turned out to be more than when we asked for donations on a regular basis was more than I'd ever imagined. The board voted not to sell and our jobs were spared. I have since moved on and the station continues to do "live and local" ministry from new studios in a larger town within the coverage area. I know for a fact it's not the first time KLOVE was left at the altar.

In finding other properties to buy, KLOVE grinds down the little guys so they can continue to build their "mega empire" and I hardly call that "Christlike" at all.

We may never know "the rest of the story" about Jon & Sherry but remember what "Ready For Air" said- it's all about forgiving(Mark 11:25)

 

[anotherguyTN]

With all the rumblings we're hearing about the Rivers being off K-LOVE and possibly returning again, this goes to show you what kind of a "mega ministry" they are: their business dealings with others are as UN-Christian like as you'd ever imagine...let me give you an example:

I worked for a small, regional Christian station that was purchased by our ministry in 2001...formerly a secular FM, it never amounted to anything and the owner burned out after running it for 3 years. Under our operation, it struggled also and financially taxed corporate coffers as we ran it separate from the home base 4 hours away. In 2005 KLOVE showed an interest in buying it....our BOD turned a very low offer down(I think it was 165K). A few months later they increased the price(650K) and our board was studying the proposal very intently. Our small staff was worried about the "local" presence going away if the sale was consumated (including our own jobs). We didn't hide it from our listeners...the outpouring in prayer and support which turned out to be more than when we asked for donations on a regular basis was more than I'd ever imagined. The board voted not to sell and our jobs were spared. I have since moved on and the station continues to do "live and local" ministry from new studios in a larger town within the coverage area. I know for a fact it's not the first time KLOVE was left at the altar.

In finding other properties to buy, KLOVE grinds down the little guys so they can continue to build their "mega empire" and I hardly call that "Christlike" at all.

We may never know "the rest of the story" about Jon & Sherry but remember what "Ready For Air" said- it's all about forgiving(Mark 11:25)

I'm glad your station's management was honest with the listeners, and was able to convince the listeners to help keep the station local. On the other hand, there are a lot of local CCM stations that never let the listeners know that there are financial problems and that more donations are need or they will have to change formats or sell. In some cases even if they were honest it may not have succeeded and they ended up having to sell to EMF anyway.

And then there are the stations that sell out to the first bidder, even if it isn't a group that would keep a CCM format. In 2005 the owners of a CHR CCM station in West TN never said anything to my knowledge on the air that they were in any financial trouble, or did anything to let the listeners know that the station was in danger of being sold. They even supposedly said that they had met their goals in their latest fund drive. Suddenly with no advance notice they sold out to a King James Only church that was VERY anti-CCM that was supposedly the only group to make an offer when the station was put up for sale. However I really don't know how how much effort was made to let groups like EMF or WAY-FM know about the station being up for sale. Even though I would have liked to see the station stay with the same format and locally owned, I would have rather seen them sell to EMF, WAY-FM, or even AFR, rather than it end up in the hands of the current owners. I (and hopefully others) made my comments known to the station owners, but it was too late, and I got the impression it fell on deaf ears. I still believe that if they had let the listeners know that the station needed more funding or they would have to sell, listeners may have stepped up to help, or at least things may have turned out differently where they would have sold to a different group that wouldn't have turned it into a KJVO anti-CCM station.

A few months later the sister station with the same format changed formats to bluegrass gospel, but they kept the station, and they continued a CCM format (although more AC) on another one of their stations. Hopefully there were enough listener protests over the sellout of the first station that they learned from their mistakes.

To me if a local CCM station that has to sell can get a local group to buy that will keep the same format, that's the best option, but selling to a satellite network like EMF is still better than selling to a group that will go to something totally different, or worst of all, an anti-CCM group.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

In 2005 the owners of a CHR CCM station in West TN never said anything to my knowledge on the air that they were in any financial trouble, or did anything to let the listeners know that the station was in danger of being sold. They even supposedly said that they had met their goals in their latest fund drive. Suddenly with no advance notice they sold out to a King James Only church that was VERY anti-CCM that was supposedly the only group to make an offer when the station was put up for sale.

You aren't the only one to go through it - Tampa Bay lost their CCM station 13 years ago to Moody. Sad. Really sad how many kids in the Tampa Bay area were left without Christian radio. I even called Moody and begged them not to do that to the young people of the area. They were really nice, but totally detacted from reality thinking that kids were eagerly flocking to their format in droves.

 

[gr8oldies]

The problem is, no matter what promise an operator selling a station may get from someone who buys it before the sale, the previous operator has no, zero, zip, nada say in how the buyer operates the station.

 

[anotherguyTN]

The problem is, no matter what promise an operator selling a station may get from someone who buys it before the sale, the previous operator has no, zero, zip, nada say in how the buyer operates the station.

The problem with the station in West TN is that the previous owners KNEW that the new owners had no intention of keeping CCM because of their being openly against it, and made little or no real effort to try to find a buyer that would at least be more likely to stay with CCM. And even in the case Bruce brought up in Tampa, I'd rather see Moody end up with it even though it wouldn't be CCM rather than a KJVO and anti-CCM group like the one that ended up with the station in TN.

 

[gr8oldies]

Is Moody all that thrilled with CCM? They certainly operate a very conservative radio network, and the music is pretty mellow.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Is Moody all that thrilled with CCM? They certainly operate a very conservative radio network, and the music is pretty mellow.

I've never heard them be anti-CCM, they are just indifferent to it, or any sort of creative programming. A waste of electricity and frequencies because their ratings, and therefore their potential to win souls, are very low. More creative networks would have much better luck winning people to Christ, and therefore be a more effective use of God's resources. With only 100 frequencies available in any market, we can't afford to throw away any on antiquated programming better suited to the 1950's.

 

[skippertthomas]

History does show that previous comment to be true... Swaggart sold his Dallas mega-station under the condition it would be a Christian format... Yes, Christian it stayed...But, it was the birth of CCM radio 24/7 in Dallas/Fort Worth...KLTY... You know how Swaggart hates that genre'.......

 

[rbrucecarter5]

And even in the case Bruce brought up in Tampa, I'd rather see Moody end up with it even though it wouldn't be CCM rather than a KJVO and anti-CCM group like the one that ended up with the station in TN.

I don't see what difference it makes. For the most part, Christian radio is a complete and total failure, with no audience to speak of, an anachronism or irritant to most people, instead of an instrument to attract people to the faith. True, there is a place for feeding the sheep, but the sheep have gotten fat off of too much baby milk.

I don't know what the answer is. But from what I can tell, the church is losing ground in the secular, political, business, scientific, and entertainment arenas - and false religions and philosophies are making huge strides in its place. Time to stop being complacent, and do something very different, or we risk nothing less than declining church membership, declining Christian media ratings, and declining church influence in the world.

So - let's continue with soft CCM on the radio, talking heads on Christian TV, and controversies and gossip in church and Christian radio management and see what percentage of Christians exist in this country in 50 years.

 

[R.D.P.]

With the way things are now, that number will drop even more.

Enough with this "Cotton Candy, False Unity, Make Me Feel Good and/or Give Me My Stuff" type of Christianity.

What the Church needs is a "Real Reformation" and get back to the "Real Teachings" of God's Word and stop trying to tickle the ears of the mass public.

Let's give the people what they need and not what they want. 

Quit "Praising the Lord" so much Church Pastor and teach your flock how to "Be Really Saved and Freed from Sin", "Defend the Faith" and "Help reclaim this nation for God".

Unless we rid ourselves of this "TBN Type of Christianity", this nation will only go down even more. 

What a sad state we're in.

R.D.P. <><

 

[richllewis]

History does show that previous comment to be true... Swaggart sold his Dallas mega-station under the condition it would be a Christian format... Yes, Christian it stayed...But, it was the birth of CCM radio 24/7 in Dallas/Fort Worth...KLTY... You know how Swaggart hates that genre'.......

You got one half of the equation right. As a former listener way back in the 80's in Dallas, I can tell you that Jon Rivers was a major part of the first KLTY. He was the one who programmed it and was morning man just as he was on K-Love with his wife. And on the first KLTY 20 the Countdown Magazine debuted. Between the first and the second incarnation of KLTY when the present KLTY was KOJO he had a Sunday Morning program similar to what he was doing on K-Love on KMGC. I left Dallas before KOJO became what we knew as the second KLTY but I believe that he regained his morning show position after the call letters switched.

 

[gr8oldies]

With the way things are now, that number will drop even more.

Enough with this "Cotton Candy, False Unity, Make Me Feel Good and/or Give Me My Stuff" type of Christianity.

What the Church needs is a "Real Reformation" and get back to the "Real Teachings" of God's Word and stop trying to tickle the ears of the mass public.

Let's give the people what they need and not what they want.

Quit "Praising the Lord" so much Church Pastor and teach your flock how to "Be Really Saved and Freed from Sin", "Defend the Faith" and "Help reclaim this nation for God".

Unless we rid ourselves of this "TBN Type of Christianity", this nation will only go down even more.

What a sad state we're in.

R.D.P. <><

The problem is you still have to get them in the door to even hear "the word" maybe everyone needs hard pes, a preacher screaming into a microphone at tyhe pulpit and piano music, but whether anyone will be around to hear it, who knows.

Recaliming the nation for God? Are we talking Christian taliban?

 

[skippertthomas]

Whatever you make of numbers (as in commercialism or reach), CCM still outsells Jazz and Classical in RIAA unit sales, annually.... We just tend to use the 'old phono' when the other media goes forward with the 'CD, Ipod and Streams'.... Just an observation... I really think CCM radio's biggest problem is becoming locally relevant when budgets are tight and the cash to spend on local outreach is not there.. Funny? Our secular counterparts are in the same 'pickle'.... When I wake up in the morning, God is STILL God and Jesus came here, lived here, ministered here, died here, raised from the dead here and accended from here..... No matter what weird 'spin' the world puts on it...... So be it.....

 

[rbrucecarter5]

What the Church needs is a "Real Reformation" and get back to the "Real Teachings" of God's Word and stop trying to tickle the ears of the mass public.

Unless we rid ourselves of this "TBN Type of Christianity", this nation will only go down even more.

What a sad state we're in.

Real teaching can be delivered in a way that is palatable to the masses, rather than trying to treat the gospel like it is foul tasting medicine that must be swallowed without a spoonful of sugar.

I depise TBN - it is symptomatic of the worst of what is wrong - materialistic Christianity. Another example: Moody's dirty dealings in taking over WCIE in Lakeland - a perfect example of a "ministry" pocketing a wad of cash at the expense of the young people that used to listen to WCIE.

We are in a very sad state indeed when Christian "ministries" employ the same "hostile takeover" strategies and unfeeling HR practices that plague the secular business world. If the world doesn't see the difference between how Christians and heathens behave - what incentive do they have to become Christians?