Buffalo JP done at WECK?

[Radiowaves]

Oh, I KNOW who Radiowaves is now. He's done everything to scream 'I'm B**** S****' except stand on his wallet and tell us how rich he is and how he's a member of the NY Radio Hall of Fame. Isn't that right, Ostrander?

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I'll give you credit for making money. I'll give you credit for calling JP's bluff, even though YOU f'd up in the first place and hired someone whose ego almost matches yours. Seriously, I'm surprised the two of you lasted in the same building for so long as both of you tend to suck all of the oxygen out of any space you enter.

You do know that 4 out of 5 orthopedists say patting yourself on the back so hard will lead to rotator cuff tears and arthritis, don't you? Great for you that WECK does well. Enjoy your money and enjoy waking up every morning. If you're looking for friends, tie a porkchop around your neck and find a pack of rabid pitbulls, but stop hijacking threads to assuage your fragile ego.

Ratings don't mean anything to me. Personal glory means nothing. Everywhere I worked, managed or owned, I was more interested in making sure we made money, my employees were well-paid and happy, and my advertisers were happy with the results. If someone told me I did a good job, I thanked them and told them I had a good crew working for me, because NO station is a one-man 24 hour show. I wanted my entire team to share in any award or praise, because the station doing well and being lauded meant I had done MY job of putting the right people in the right place and LETTING them do THEIR jobs to the best of their abilities. Why can't you be satisfied with your success and stop screaming for attention like a toddler at the Thanksgiving table?

Oh, I'll call you by your nom de plume instead of using your real name or 'B**** S****' when you stop acting like an ass and act like a grown-up and have an adult conversation. Otherwise, bye, Ostrander.

Ex DJ Ted….wow, you must be hugely successful in broadcast. You know ZERO about Ostrander, yet you lambast. It just shows that nobody, including the monitors think anything you say is special, because if Ostrander just wrote what you did, he would be banned.

So what’s YOUR real name Ted? Why don’t you tell us? Tell us about your incredible broadcast history as well. I’m guessing it looks similar to Marconi.

I am dying to hear about the stations you have ran or owned. Can you please tell us the call letters and your role?

Essentially, you know zero. It’s obvious. You are jealous and bitter. You think you know facts. You don’t. You regurgitate what you hear, and what other people say. You are like these stalkers and dating apps. How many of those are you on showing a photoshopped picture of yourself?

“Ex DJ Ted” . Wow. Pretty much says it all.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

Ex DJ Ted….wow, you must be hugely successful in broadcast. You know ZERO about Ostrander, yet you lambast. It just shows that nobody, including the monitors think anything you say is special, because if Ostrander just wrote what you did, he would be banned.

So what’s YOUR real name Ted? Why don’t you tell us? Tell us about your incredible broadcast history as well. I’m guessing it looks similar to Marconi.

I am dying to hear about the stations you have ran or owned. Can you please tell us the call letters and your role?

Essentially, you know zero. It’s obvious. You are jealous and bitter. You think you know facts. You don’t. You regurgitate what you hear, and what other people say. You are like these stalkers and dating apps. How many of those are you on showing a photoshopped picture of yourself?

“Ex DJ Ted” . Wow. Pretty much says it all.

Ted is hardly bitter and knows a thing or two. HE may not have all the answers, but he and i have had a few off the board conversations and hes got a fairly decent clue about things most of the time.

Normally, when an AM station gets discussed ad nauseum like this, id say its gotten more attention here then it has listeners, but its WECK.. the most awesome AM in the world

 

[Radiowaves]

Ted is hardly bitter and knows a thing or two. HE may not have all the answers, but he and i have had a few off the board conversations and hes got a fairly decent clue about things most of the time.

Normally, when an AM station gets discussed ad nauseum like this, id say its gotten more attention here then it has listeners, but its WECK.. the most awesome AM in the world

I want HIM to tell me what he knows. It’s a perfect chance for him to start shooting his mouth off.

The guy obviously knows squat, as he had no facts. Just assumptions and big mouth opinions.

WHAT IS HIS RESUME? WHAT HAS HE ACCOMPLISHED IN BROADCASTING? That’s all I want to know. If you’re going to SAY you know a lot, prove it.

It is not an unfair ask. What’s his name? I would like to look up his accomplishments. He throws Ostrander’s name all around. What is “WASHED UP TED” name ?

Freaking people are 10 feet tall and bullet prove behind a screen. Tell us Washed’ up Ted, what is your name and resume? Let’s scrutinize that, like you scrutinize Ostrander

My guess is you WILL NOT do what I am asking, because your a total fake

 

[Radiowaves]

Ted is hardly bitter and knows a thing or two. HE may not have all the answers, but he and i have had a few off the board conversations and hes got a fairly decent clue about things most of the time.

Normally, when an AM station gets discussed ad nauseum like this, id say its gotten more attention here then it has listeners, but its WECK.. the most awesome AM in the world

You are correct. WECK has an almost 90000 cume per week. This board has the same old 20 regular people.

However, no one should assume anything about WECK or the owner unless they have more facts than he does.

Otherwise, everything is a blowhard opinion.

You know what they say about opinions…

 

[TheBigA]

WHAT IS HIS RESUME? WHAT HAS HE ACCOMPLISHED IN BROADCASTING?

You know DE's resume and you don't accept what he says either. You know Nielsen's resume and you don't accept what they say either.

 

[radiofan2023]

I have here in my hand, Ted’s resume…

 

[exdjted]

First, I want to apologize to the users of this board. I am not pleased with myself that I stooped to Radiowaves/Buddy's/who the Hell cares level. I usually come here to add some levity and enjoy the discussions, but after the way I responded yesterday, I have decided to ask the moderators to delete my account because I really don't need to be drawn here anymore.

Radiowaves, my resume wouldn't impress you. I'm 62 and too old to give a crap about you. I worked and owned stations in small markets, working 100 hours a week doing everything from on-air to sales to play-by-play, because I loved it. The one rated market we owned in was the single most disheartening experience of my life. Oh, we had some success. #17 to #5 in 1 book, but I derived no pleasure from it, because it was all about the ratings. We didn't do anything that I loved about the business. No high school football or basketball. No local news. No candidate forums at election time. So impersonal, and all driven by chasing ad dollars.

As a matter of fact, that experience led my Dad and I to be completely estranged for the last 20 years of his life, because I blamed him for us leaving Florida to chase HIS dream of owning a station in a larger market. The last time we talked was February 12, 2017, when he told me he was foregoing dialysis and wanted to die on his terms. The next phone call I got was October 19, 2017 when my step-mom told me he died. So, I've lost more to this business than I gained.

Track me down if you want. Harangue me all you want on here. I don't care. You're not worth it. You're like a speck of fly crap on a white wall. Annoying at first, but ultimately not worth wasting time over.

Oh, get yourself some better insults. Photoshopped images on a dating website? Please? Get better material.

To everyone else, my apologies. I hope you all have a better day, and now I will sign off. Radiowaves, you have a good day as well.

 

[davideduardo]

TV ratings are by far the most accurate.

And all are done by the same company.

 

[davideduardo]

You might want to go back and look up Buddy's posts re: statistics. He's shown that he really doesn't understand them (or at least the methodology) and doesn't care to. It will be interesting to see how Nielsen reacts to Buddy dropping their ratings for his radio station but keeping them for his ad agency. Someone who's better versed in their pricing structure will likely be able to answer if one service is cheaper than the other, and if he'll still be able to use the "agency" numbers to sell the radio station.

Advertisers and agencies pay a small fee that barely covers the processing and delivery costs. Most agencies use third-party software to analyze buys and to provide comparisons on cost per point, cost per thousand, total impressions, or whatever other metric they use to evaluate buys.

The key at the agency level is not rank, but the cost of each station to reach the "kind of listeners" their client wants.

 

[davideduardo]

As for him replying to “every post in the US”, keep in mind that he moderates and once was a partial owner of this very site. I’d say that gives him the right, if not the expectation, to call out things that appear to be shenanigans anywhere here.

Clarification: For about a week or two, I was the full owner of the site. In that short period of time, I took steps to restore the ownership and management of the site to Lance Venta who was the rightful heir to it. So I was an intermediary, there to fulfill Frank's last wishes that the site be maintained and always improved.

But, as a moderator... I am now at the will and wish of Lance. He sets policy and delegates to the team of moderators like Fybush and Huff and Michi and myself the responsibility of checking the boards as much as we can. Often we send "private" messages to Lance when we don't want to delete a post without consultation.

And, hehehe , I don't read every post. Tomorrow I have to be up, alert and coffee-imbibed at 6 AM to deal with an imaging refresh on some stations in Chile. That pays the bills around here; and that points out that none of us moderators make money off this and we do it for some kind of satisfaction ... as you have pointed out.

 

[davideduardo]

I am simply asking him, so he initiated the topic, on how he could possibly know what WECK audience is on AM/FM

Revealing data from someone else's paid breakout would violate all kinds of agreements that users of Nielsen data are signatories to.

In some cases, stations with AM and FM translator simulcasts have released the data. In every one, the FM translator has vastly beaten the AM. Nowhere has it been different.

I happen to know and do business with the owner. The owner, for now, subscribes to Nielsen. The owner knows what the breakout is. He has showed me do we can make informed decisions for our clients when purchasing ad time on WECK.

He only knows if he pays for the breakout. Most stations don't do that once the have indicated the want Single Line Reporting. It costs money and reveals that the only reasons to keep an AM on the air are ether when the AM has vastly greater coverage than the FM or FM translator or when the AM is required to keep the license for the translator.

Just pulling a number out of my LLA cap (I'm a Milei fan!) I'd say that if the FCC allowed translators to become separately licensed and protected without an AM boat anchor, about 2000 AMs would be off the air in less than a week or two!

 

[Marchant26]

Some of you are absolute children. I take that back, 5 year olds have more class.

 

[Radiowaves]

First, I want to apologize to the users of this board. I am not pleased with myself that I stooped to Radiowaves/Buddy's/who the Hell cares level. I usually come here to add some levity and enjoy the discussions, but after the way I responded yesterday, I have decided to ask the moderators to delete my account because I really don't need to be drawn here anymore.

Radiowaves, my resume wouldn't impress you. I'm 62 and too old to give a crap about you. I worked and owned stations in small markets, working 100 hours a week doing everything from on-air to sales to play-by-play, because I loved it. The one rated market we owned in was the single most disheartening experience of my life. Oh, we had some success. #17 to #5 in 1 book, but I derived no pleasure from it, because it was all about the ratings. We didn't do anything that I loved about the business. No high school football or basketball. No local news. No candidate forums at election time. So impersonal, and all driven by chasing ad dollars.

As a matter of fact, that experience led my Dad and I to be completely estranged for the last 20 years of his life, because I blamed him for us leaving Florida to chase HIS dream of owning a station in a larger market. The last time we talked was February 12, 2017, when he told me he was foregoing dialysis and wanted to die on his terms. The next phone call I got was October 19, 2017 when my step-mom told me he died. So, I've lost more to this business than I gained.

Track me down if you want. Harangue me all you want on here. I don't care. You're not worth it. You're like a speck of fly crap on a white wall. Annoying at first, but ultimately not worth wasting time over.

Oh, get yourself some better insults. Photoshopped images on a dating website? Please? Get better material.

To everyone else, my apologies. I hope you all have a better day, and now I will sign off. Radiowaves, you have a good day as well.

So, you haven’t answered. What is your resume, your achievements, your name. You’re busting on me. I want to know what the hell you’ve done to make all the assumptions you did. Washed’ up Ted

 

[Radiowaves]

And all are done by the same company.

So David, are you actually saying that Nielsen radio diaries are as accurate as Nielsen set-top instant data? Give me a break. I would think you know better. Who gives a damn if they are the same company!

I wasn’t talking about the company. I was talking about the most accurate method. TV or Radio diary

 

[Radiowaves]

Advertisers and agencies pay a small fee that barely covers the processing and delivery costs. Most agencies use third-party software to analyze buys and to provide comparisons on cost per point, cost per thousand, total impressions, or whatever other metric they use to evaluate buys.

The key at the agency level is not rank, but the cost of each station to reach the "kind of listeners" their client wants.

We get charged by Nielsen to have access to the “market size” we want

 

[Radiowaves]

Revealing data from someone else's paid breakout would violate all kinds of agreements that users of Nielsen data are signatories to.

In some cases, stations with AM and FM translator simulcasts have released the data. In every one, the FM translator has vastly beaten the AM. Nowhere has it been different.

He only knows if he pays for the breakout. Most stations don't do that once the have indicated the want Single Line Reporting. It costs money and reveals that the only reasons to keep an AM on the air are ether when the AM has vastly greater coverage than the FM or FM translator or when the AM is required to keep the license for the translator.

Just pulling a number out of my LLA cap (I'm a Milei fan!) I'd say that if the FCC allowed translators to become separately licensed and protected without an AM boat anchor, about 2000 AMs would be off the air in less than a week or two!

All speculation. No facts. Just as I thought. Don’t speak to the business of WECK until you actually know.

 

[davideduardo]

So, you haven’t answered. What is your resume, your achievements, your name. You’re busting on me. I want to know what the hell you’ve done to make all the assumptions you did. Washed’ up Ted

You can't leave it alone, can you?

You have insisted in several of us giving proof of WECK being the sole AM with good translators that ISN'T getting most of its audience on the FM(s). Logic, industry experience and a wealth of comparable situation pieces of evidence still don't convince you that there is no way that three decent translators don't significantly outperform one horrible local channel (formerly "Class IV") AM.

Yet if the FM translators did not perform, why did Budd not just stop with one? He, in fact, bought more and it seems that those are more important than the AM.

The website does not mention 1230 at all except in the little data tidbit that shows up on searches:



So, if buddy lists the AM last, what does that suggest?

 

[davideduardo]

All speculation. No facts. Just as I thought. Don’t speak to the business of WECK until you actually know.

Again: if translators did not produce the overwhelming majority of listening when partnered, as is in the case of WECK 1230 AM, with a station that has a limited signal, why would Buddy and all the other similar AM licensees have spent the money to acquire one?

Again: if the translators did not produce significant benefits for Buddy, why did he buy not one but three of them?

Again: the AM only covers day and night a smaller portion of just one county in a two-county market. The FM's significant expand the coverage, particularly at night and in homes and workplaces where noise levels make AM listening annoying or impossible?

Again: why would so many AM stations have spent money to acquire translators if the translator did not "save" the business?

Again: why would all the AMs that have translators do music formats if it were not for the fact that music sounds terrible on AM (not that it matters, as they all know the real audience is essentially all on FM)? Heck, even formats like "Music for the Remaining Years of Your Life" that even I am too young to enjoy have mostly left AM?

 

[exdjted]

So, you haven’t answered. What is your resume, your achievements, your name. You’re busting on me. I want to know what the hell you’ve done to make all the assumptions you did. Washed’ up Ted

Dude, have you ever considered decaf?

 

[Mike Sheridan]

Based on similar situations in other markets, we see about 75% to 80% of listing going to translators when the AM has a limited signal (like an old Class IV) or is a daytimer.

In metros where the noise level is high, the use of AM be be even lower.

There are no cases that I know of where an AM with a comprable translator does better than the FM.

I’ll just add my two cents here. David, I was visiting the area and staying on the outer rim of what would be considered the Buffalo market. Danny Neaverth was doing mornings on WHTT AM/FM. While I couldn’t hear him on FM (the signal on FM faded out) to my surprise he came in on AM 1120. Probably an anomaly but that was my experience. WHTT-FM also happens to be a class B station and not a translator.