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oasisrulz

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Was in the Crest a few days and tried to pull in 102.7, Jack FM was all over them, could not get a decent signal the whole time I was there. Don't know where this Jack is from but it completely blocked JSE out...How can they survive with such a horrible signal in their advertising coverage area....they should of moved to 97.3 (dream)......
 
"the Crest" means he was listening in Wildwood Crest, which is about 20
miles south of WJSE's tower. On a day with ducting, most Class A's at
the shore go about 15 miles reliably ... WJSE's signal is NOT THAT BAD.

Quoting Don Powers ... "Class A's at the shore are only good between
11 AM and 3 PM in the summer"

Cape May County is too long for anything but a Class B or B1 to cover all
of it reliably. Oh wait, it's "K-MAY Counny" well at least that's how I hear
it said on the RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK station.
 
The Baltimore cochannels do blast away the stations from up the coast on ducting days. The reason is the cool air directly over the Chesapeake and Delaware bays causes strong temperature inversions, which bends those signals from up high down to the ground. It can be particularly bad near Cape May City and all along the Delaware Bay coast. Even Class B WAYV gets batted around by WRBS on 95.1. One of the reasons for the 102.3 simulcast.
 
oasisrulz said:
Was in the Crest a few days and tried to pull in 102.7, Jack FM was all over them, could not get a decent signal the whole time I was there. Don't know where this Jack is from but it completely blocked JSE out...How can they survive with such a horrible signal in their advertising coverage area....they should of moved to 97.3 (dream)......

Didn't we just have this thread recently... there are plenty of worse signals than JSE... I don't feel like looking up all the calls, but here's the frequencies

Cape May County:

106.7... there's just no worse signal than this in New Jersey... for that matter.. all the coastal signals are worse then JSE... they kinda have to be... they are class A's with sticks further south so they don't cover Atlantic County as well and that's really what's more important in that market.... if you think about it JSE is really a pretty good class A in the market with it's tower centrally located... it would be perfect if it were 6kw... like 'TKU... Please go to Brigantine and turn on JSE and ZXL... the signals sound the same... except ZXL is 38kw and JSE is 3... so you tell me... would that not make ZXL a worse signal?
 
The term "worst signal" is all relative to what you are trying to do with it.
WJNN/WDOX/WSJQ/WKOE ... 106.7 is GREAT if you want to serve
EXTREME Southern Cape May County ... it covers a decent ten mile radius.

NONE of the Cape May County signals are that good in Atlantic City, including
"almost Cape May County" 50,000 watt 97.3 WENJ-FM, which along with WSJO,
last time I checked, cover more total population than any South Jersey stations.

It's all about who is under the tower, 15 to 40 miles depending on the class
of station. With today's bad radios, interference from other electronic devices,
etc, you need a good signal, or a lot of people close to the tower.
 
oasisrulz said:
How can they survive with such a horrible signal in their advertising coverage area....

Unlike 90% of the FM signals in Philadelphia, the Atlantic City market (especially Cape May County) is loaded with small, class-A FM signals that are only supposed to cover 15 to 20 miles at best.

WJSE (WILW, WEZW, WTTH, WTKU, WZBZ, WAIV, WSNQ, WKOE, WCZT) is not a 100,000-watt flamethrower on a 2,000-foot tower -- it's 3kw at 295 feet. Look at their coverage area on radio-locator ( http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WJSE&service=FM&status=L&hours=U )... anything outside of that red circle (i.e. Wildwood Crest) is a crapshoot at best, especially since it's surrounded by both salt water and two 50kw signals on the same frequency only 110 miles away.
 
You can get New York and Baltimore stations constantly in Atlantic City. Last weekend even the little LPTV in New York Pulse 87 was coming in with stereo in AC. The Cape May stations have relatively bad local coverage, but when the tropo hits, they can be heard 100 miles away.
96.9 WFPG has the best signal in the state in the summer, WZXL also causes interference to WLEV 90 miles away from the WZXL transmitter.
 
"96.9 WFPG has the best signal in the state in the summer, WZXL also causes interference to WLEV 90 miles away from the WZXL transmitter."

And up here in Northern Bergen County WZXL on certain days during the summer will beat the hell out of 50,000 watt WHUD whos signal around here is pretty much perfect.......WFPG does become listenable most mornings but does have interference from WQHT......WAYV is a year round visitor (when there are no pirates on air) and always beats up on WRKI up in Danbury, CT.......But the SJ station with the best signal around here has to be WPUR.....I can get them just about every morning with a nice signal during the summer.....The stations that never have good signals during tropo are WENJ-FM, WMGM & WSJO....I have an eaiser time getting WZBZ & WBBO.
 
Up_N_Down_The_Dial said:
106.7... there's just no worse signal than this in New Jersey

The way they get out over the bay, I wonder if 106.7 would do any better targeting the resort towns in Southern Delaware. It's one of the strongest signals if you're driving around Lewes, Rehoboth, or Dewey.

With no local promotion, they typically got a 0.5 in the Salisbury/Ocean City book when they were doing CHR. That's about the same as they got in the Atlantic City book.
 
Up_N_Down_The_Dial said:
oasisrulz said:
Was in the Crest a few days and tried to pull in 102.7, Jack FM was all over them, could not get a decent signal the whole time I was there. Don't know where this Jack is from but it completely blocked JSE out...How can they survive with such a horrible signal in their advertising coverage area....they should of moved to 97.3 (dream)......

Didn't we just have this thread recently... there are plenty of worse signals than JSE... I don't feel like looking up all the calls, but here's the frequencies

Cape May County:

106.7... there's just no worse signal than this in New Jersey... for that matter.. all the coastal signals are worse then JSE... they kinda have to be... they are class A's with sticks further south so they don't cover Atlantic County as well and that's really what's more important in that market.... if you think about it JSE is really a pretty good class A in the market with it's tower centrally located... it would be perfect if it were 6kw... like 'TKU... Please go to Brigantine and turn on JSE and ZXL... the signals sound the same... except ZXL is 38kw and JSE is 3... so you tell me... would that not make ZXL a worse signal?


I dunno, but when you can almost see and are in line of site of a transmitter and some signal from over 50 miles away wipes it out, I would say it was the worst signal I can think of.....
 
WJSE's signal is abysmal. I was in LBI last Saturday and traveled from Ship Bottom to Beach Haven - could not pull the station in at all. Then on Monday, I went to Doyle's Pour House in Tuckerton and attempted to tune in the station ... it was a whole ton of static even there as well. Maybe next time I'm in the area, I'll go over to Mystic Islands Casino (which advertises on JSE) and see if I can receive the station right outside of the place. I'll make an educated guess and say it will be locked in a tug o' war with Fresh 102.7 in NYC, Jack-FM in Baltimore, and even 102.9 WMGK in Philly.

It's a shame, because people in this area would listen to JSE if they could hear it. Monmouth/Ocean doesn't have even one station playing modern rock music. Top 40, Soft Rock, Classic Rock, and even Country stations abound, but one alternative station is apparently one too many. If only Atlantic Broadcasting could do something about that anemic signal, they could become a player in the AC/Cape May market and even get some ratings here in Monmouth/Ocean. But as it stands right now, they're losing by a substantial margin to the bland WZXL. I know things would be different if the two stations had signals of similar strength.
 
There's nothing they can do about summer tropo. It hurts lower power stations and helps high power stations. Wait till the winter to hear 'jse.
 
WJSE is a Cape May County station ... NOT Monmouth/Ocean. Just because
you can't hear it 40 miles from the transmitter doesn't make it a "bad signal"
you are too far away. Remember that a Class A FM signal is designed to
cover a community (about a 14 mile range) not the whole state.
Monmouth/Ocean HAD an alternative station, and didn't listen to it, so it
changed formats. Simple as that, not enough people liked it. All of
the tweaking in the world didn't make any difference, so it went away.
That's how business works, if you go to Best Buy instead of Circuit City,
Circuit City goes out of business. Long harangues about playing too much
Nickelback and not enough Mudvayne won't help, it is obvious that MonOc
wasn't interested. Back in the old WHTG FM-106.3 days, it wasn't commercially
viable either, no ratings, no money, it was someones toy, just like WDOX
was when Don Powers owned it. We all loved it, it had a small but loyal
audience, and he ran it out of his pocket.
 
Tom: First of all, we all know that the Arbitron survey method of tracking ratings is archaic and inaccurate, and is in the process of being phased out around the entire country. Most surveys wind up finding their way to bingo halls or places of that ilk.

Next, to suggest that MonOc "wasn't interested" in alternative station G Rock 106.3/106.5? There's a Facebook group that's over 10,000 strong that would prove otherwise ... would your token soft rock station inspire that kind of devotion? I doubt it - most would just go listen to one of the other soft rock stations. Alternative rock fans don't have any other options, on FM radio at least. In addition, the most recent ratings indicated that there are two other stations that MonOc is equally interested in - in other words, stations that received the same share of ratings as G Rock, including one of its sister stations.

Finally, I've gone over this before: The lack of passion for alternative rock from Press management is what led to its ratings erosion. G Rock seldom ever had remotes, you hardly ever saw any billboards even after the Ocean Co. simulcast moved from 98.5 to 106.5 ... compare that to Hit 106, for which Press is finally reaching into those deep pockets to foot the bill for some promotion.

WRAT couldn't be further away from my tastes in rock music, but I'll give credit where it's due: Even through an ownership change, the station has always been promoted well, has kept the same style of station identification throughout its run, and has maintained almost the same exact regular on-air lineup since they signed on nearly 14 years ago.

By contrast, since Press purchased WHTG and launched G 106.3 (and later G Rock), there have always been revolving doors: PDs came and went, staff changes were incessant, and the sound always changed, largely going for an ill-advised Alternative-flavored Hot AC sound. Despite this, they branded themselves "Your Rock Alternative" ... while playing Nelly Furtado, John Mayer, Avril Lavigne, Maroon 5, Five For Fighting, Pink, etc. That made a lot of people jump ship - we already had several stations playing them all and did not need another one. There was a time when they impulsively changed their sound/branding after one weak book and went even heavier on the adult contemporary titles, playing Santana, Sting, Sheryl Crow, Dido and even Norah Jones! After a few months, they returned to their old sound.

After the G Rock launch happened, they made more mistakes: Going really heavy on Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Shinedown, etc. really grated on listeners, resulting in their eventual dismissal from the rotation in early '07. The GM at the time made the decision to replace popular morning show hosts Brian Phillips & Jen Ursillo with his friend Kramer who had been hosting a morning show for a Hot AC down south - the new show did not go over well with the audience and lasted less than a year. The aforementioned frequency change where Press failed to give adequate notification to their listeners - for all many of them knew, G Rock was being replaced by a country station. And the main overriding attribute that hurt G Rock the most: the lack of passion and interest from Press executives, as demonstrated by the way they flipped the station - no warning to listeners, no proper sign-off, not even an online replacement like what happened with WOXY in Cincinnati and Indie in LA. They knew how to build up their adult contemporary station - they gave it the correct execution and promotion, and that's why it's so successful. No one should expect an alternative station to do quite as well in senior-heavy Monmouth/Ocean, but I know it could have done much better if G Rock had not been treated as the red-headed stepchild of the Press cluster.

Low rated stations have the ability to be solvent if their owners have passion and dedication. Local WCHR "105.7 The Hawk" and Boston's WFNX are a testament to this. Sadly, the only Press employees that had any enthusiasm for G Rock were its on-air staff and programmers. They'll soon find out the hard way that even though they are clearly more passionate about the Top 40 format, Monmouth/Ocean listeners don't need to fill their presets with six stations of the exact same thing, and Hit 106 will be the odd loser out.
 
Back to JSE: I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect to pull in the station when they have advertisers and do remotes right here in Southern Ocean County. Unless, of course, they're trying to reach the people that visit the beaches on LBI but travel there from New Gretna (which may be about as far north as the station goes).

I'm sure the Mystic Islands Casino ads on JSE are probably because they purchased an advertising package from Atlantic Broadcasting that includes other stations in their cluster (notably WMGM, 103.7 The Shark). But it's a pretty safe assumption to say that you can't even pull in the station right outside of the bar, so I'm thinking that they're flying on a wing and a prayer in the hopes that people will bypass a dozen or so other bars to come and check them out.

I've floated the idea around when the two stations were under prior owners, but I really think it's something that Atlantic should consider: A frequency swap between WMGM and WJSE. WMGM should be way ahead of WZXL with that flamethrower, so perhaps it's time for a different strategy - with a stronger signal, WJSE could finally become a big-time player in Atlantic City/Cape May, as they are the only station that plays modern rock in all of New Jersey. An added bonus would be that they would become strong enough to reach Ocean County listeners and advertisers. For what it's worth, most recent book notwithstanding, WMGM never had much of a presence out here - we've got Rats, Hawks, Cats and Sharks out here, so FM radio seems like a zoo in this area. My theory is that when viewed from a competition perspective, WJSE could benefit from reaching areas that don't receive a modern rock format loud and clear, while the areas that The Shark reaches have plenty of other choices for classic and heritage rock. It's really not a bad idea when you think about it. Remember, Press Communications thought that Monmouth/Ocean needed a sixth Top 40 station, and Millennium Radio decided to replace a simulcast of the highest-rated station in New Jersey with ESPN Radio, so almost anything is possible.
 
SoulCrusher said:
Back to JSE: I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect to pull in the station when they have advertisers and do remotes right here in Southern Ocean County. Unless, of course, they're trying to reach the people that visit the beaches on LBI but travel there from New Gretna (which may be about as far north as the station goes).

Buying an ad schedule does not change the laws of physics unfortunately - looking at the FCC coverage map, JSE goes from North Wildwood to Pleseantville with city grade coverage. Getting the station north or south of that is pure gravy - having a halfway decent antenna and a good tuner help (I've gotten it in Manahawkin beneath allot of static & WWFS bleed). But its a 3kw class A at 300 feet, so it's no powerhouse and pretty much only a Cape May/Atlantic station. Much like WKMK is a Ocean only station.
 
Let me understand these opinions presented as if they were facts...

WJSE's signal doesn't reach the 40-ish miles from its tower site near Strathmere in northern Cape May county all the way to LBI, and gets bashed on ducting days by cochannel interference, so therefore it is "abysmal" and the "worst signal on the planet".

But then, none of the seven other Cape May County Class A's reach LBI either, so from that perspective they're apparently all candidates for the "worst signal on the planet".

Let's turn this around. How well do some of the southern Ocean stations do in northern Cape May County?

Thunder 98.5 WKMK, because of TKU's first adjacent interference, doesn't come in at all. In fact it doesn't even reach southern Atlantic. So if I'm from Strathmere, Seaville, Palermo or Sea Isle, KMK's signal must be "abysmal" and the "worst signal on the planet".

Even Class B1 105.7 the Hawk, WCHR has "a whole ton of static" in those locations due the first adjacent interference from WSNQ.

So from the northern Cape May perspective WCHR is also a candidate for "worst signal on the planet". But wait, from his perspective, SoulCrusher in another thread says CHR has a " flamethrower of a signal".

So which is it?

It's neither and it's both. Like all opinions, it depends on your frame of reference.
 
My iPod transmitter has the worst signal in the planet, a whopping 6,000 millimeters of coverage. It also doesn't reach Cape May County.
 
SoulCrusher said:
... I've floated the idea around when the two stations were under prior owners, but I really think it's something that Atlantic should consider: A frequency swap between WMGM and WJSE. WMGM should be way ahead of WZXL with that flamethrower, so perhaps it's time for a different strategy - with a stronger signal, WJSE could finally become a big-time player in Atlantic City/Cape May, as they are the only station that plays modern rock in all of New Jersey. An added bonus would be that they would become strong enough to reach Ocean County listeners and advertisers. For what it's worth, most recent book notwithstanding, WMGM never had much of a presence out here - we've got Rats, Hawks, Cats and Sharks out here, so FM radio seems like a zoo in this area. My theory is that when viewed from a competition perspective, WJSE could benefit from reaching areas that don't receive a modern rock format loud and clear, while the areas that The Shark reaches have plenty of other choices for classic and heritage rock. It's really not a bad idea when you think about it. Remember, Press Communications thought that Monmouth/Ocean needed a sixth Top 40 station, and Millennium Radio decided to replace a simulcast of the highest-rated station in New Jersey with ESPN Radio, so almost anything is possible.

SoulCrusher... believe me, I think JSE is an awesome station, but when you look at the demo that is attracted by each station (Shark and JSE), I think it's clear why one station is on a 50kw and the other is on the 3kw. I don't suspect that Atlantic doesn't appreciate the music on that station, but given the FM properties it owns I think they have to keep it where it is... If anything I think they would put Kool on the 50kw to compete with FPG before moving an Alt. Rock station to the big stick...

Now to the discussion of JSE and its signal... I think what I would take away from this is that JSE has a great following to get this much attention... MikeF is correct.. it really depends on your point of view on the situation... I would say that if you look at every class A in the Atlantic City / Cape May market JSE is probably the second best from the standpoint of total market coverage... I would say that WTKU is #1 in that category... there really is no other class A's that offter the coverage of those stations... now, from the standpoint of which Class A's have the most preferred signal you'd have to look at 99.3 or 96.1 since they are in Atlantic City and get the most populated areas...
 
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