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JUNE PPM 25-54 Rankers

So KEOMm is kicking KERA's ass in that 25-54 demo, huh. Guess that will help them sell lots of advertising, won't it....

Ah, the pleasures of not having to work in real radio...
 
Jim - once again, you're outside the loop - and ignorant about that which you post. I'm afraid your bitterness about your previous employment at KEOM may be why you are so consistently harsh on the station and its employees. Sad.

The RI numbers at the start of this thread are the 25-54, not 6+ or 12+. I never made any referrence to 6+, 12+ or diary. My referrence was to the RI posted numbers. My comment to Mike was that the numbers I am seeing (from INSIDE that loop that you are not in) are even sweeter than what is posted on RI.

I never made any connection to previous diary numbers. I know the difference, and I know the numbers I am referring to. I also know that there is more to ratings than just 6+ (like TSL, Cume, etc.) - gosh Jimbo, I really don't have the time to teach this stuff to you.

KERA beat us, huh? Good for them! Lord knows they could use it!! My eyes usually immediately check KLUV KVIL and Platinum. I'm sure you don't understand why. (not to mention this 25-54 demo....come on....how many 25 year olds are we targeting with the Carpenters????) ---- man, i need to stop myself Jim....I really don't have time to explain the mind of a real programmer.

But lest I forget - one more thing: Its KEOM. Non-com! We don't even reach into FtWorth (imagine our numbers if we did! it would be double-sweetness). Mike's observation was spot on!!! [EDIT-inflammatory content]
 
WOW...didn't mean to start all of that up. :(

I still listen to KEOM about as faithfully as I did starting back around 1994. I think there's something positive to be said for all of the eras of the station (even the Michael Bolton ad nauseum days.) You guys can argue over who's the better programmer, but I know Dr G was not very open minded about changing anything around there, and I'd guess that Peggy Brooks had to be pried apart with a crowbar to allow the 60s and 80s onto the playlist. So no matter how good or bad or otherwise you or your predecessors are, there were/are still limits. The most creative thing is how you all work within those (or find subtle ways to work around them!)

That being said...you all have a few real DUD songs that still dot the playlist!! (Now I know "dud" is subjective, but hear me out.) Nah, let me comb through yes.com and just email a few to you so I don't start another eruption on here. Of course, we're talking my little 2 cents' worth, and "Oh Very Young" might just be Peggy's favorite song or something. :D
 
DFWPT said:
Jim - once again, you're outside the loop - and ignorant about that which you post. I'm afraid your bitterness about your previous employment at KEOM may be why you are so consistently harsh on the station and its employees. Sad.

The RI numbers at the start of this thread are the 25-54, not 6+ or 12+. I never made any referrence to 6+, 12+ or diary. My referrence was to the RI posted numbers. My comment to Mike was that the numbers I am seeing (from INSIDE that loop that you are not in) are even sweeter than what is posted on RI.

I never made any connection to previous diary numbers. I know the difference, and I know the numbers I am referring to. I also know that there is more to ratings than just 6+ (like TSL, Cume, etc.) - gosh Jimbo, I really don't have the time to teach this stuff to you.

KERA beat us, huh? Good for them! Lord knows they could use it!! My eyes usually immediately check KLUV KVIL and Platinum. I'm sure you don't understand why. (not to mention this 25-54 demo....come on....how many 25 year olds are we targeting with the Carpenters????) ---- man, i need to stop myself Jim....I really don't have time to explain the mind of a real programmer.

But lest I forget - one more thing: Its KEOM. Non-com! We don't even reach into FtWorth (imagine our numbers if we did! it would be double-sweetness). Mike's observation was spot on!!! [EDIT-inflammatory content]
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Chris,

I am not sure why you think I am Jim or Robert. For your assumptuous ignorance, my name is Scott. There, I said it. Happy now? Probably not, but anyway.

And if I were you, I'd start packing and updating my resume, because you commited a cardinal sin in this business, with a previous post.

And by the way Chris, I am very much in the loop, because I work in radio myself. I have the same PPM data that you guys have, right in front of me. You (and Peggy?) aren't reading them accurately. Take off the rose colored glasses.

I stated several months ago that I do not know Robert personally, but I do know Peggy personally. She is basically KEOM's version of Gavin Spittle. She'll try to dance around it, even if it means telling lies and twisting meanings. She's probably brainwashed you.
 
And Wikipedia says:
Oh Very Young" is a song by Cat Stevens. It was released on his 1974 album Buddha and the Chocolate Box. The song reached number 10 in the U.S. charts.
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So your dud could very well be someone else's top 10 hit. Which is why so many stations rely on stuff like research, music tests, etc. So go ahead, volley back that 'that's soulless, formualic, cookie cutter" etc...

But if you're basing programming on personal tastes, you're being incredibly irresponsible with other peoples (the owners) money...
 
little1 said:
And Wikipedia says:
Oh Very Young" is a song by Cat Stevens. It was released on his 1974 album Buddha and the Chocolate Box. The song reached number 10 in the U.S. charts.
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So your dud could very well be someone else's top 10 hit. Which is why so many stations rely on stuff like research, music tests, etc. So go ahead, volley back that 'that's soulless, formualic, cookie cutter" etc...

But if you're basing programming on personal tastes, you're being incredibly irresponsible with other peoples (the owners) money...
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Mike stated his feelings about that song, are his own $0.02 worth. He is entitled to think whatever he wants to about any song any station plays.
 
little1 said:
So KEOMm is kicking KERA's ass in that 25-54 demo, huh. Guess that will help them sell lots of advertising, won't it....

Ah, the pleasures of not having to work in real radio...
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True we're talking non-comms here, but I'm just following Chris' mysterious logic. Funny how in one post he finally uses the non-comm reference, right after making such a big deal about the latest numbers for KEOM. Talk about having your cake and eating it too!
 
"Scott" (Mr. Gibbs) -

You crack me up!

How do you know Peggy? From when you worked at KEOM?

Have you ever met Gavin? How can YOU afford PPM data? - the books aren't that good, they can't possibly be selling well. LOL - you crack me up. Have a nice day.
 
scrtr84 said:
little1 said:
And Wikipedia says:
Oh Very Young" is a song by Cat Stevens. It was released on his 1974 album Buddha and the Chocolate Box. The song reached number 10 in the U.S. charts.
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So your dud could very well be someone else's top 10 hit. Which is why so many stations rely on stuff like research, music tests, etc. So go ahead, volley back that 'that's soulless, formualic, cookie cutter" etc...
But if you're basing programming on personal tastes, you're being incredibly irresponsible with other peoples (the owners) money...
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Mike stated his feelings about that song, are his own $0.02 worth. He is entitled to think whatever he wants to about any song any station plays.
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Did I say he was entitled to his opinion?
My point, which obviously sailed over your head in your rush to defend Mike (like he's unable to defend himself ::)) was that a song that he thinks was a 'dud' also happened to be a top 10 hit just about smack dab in the middle of the decade that that station covers.

My point was that if you let your personal tastes dictate what you do and don't play, you end up programming the station for yourself, and not the public. And isn't that what a bunch of you guys always carp about? That their the PUBLIC's stations?
 
MikeShannon914 said:
...I still listen to KEOM about as faithfully as I did starting back around 1994. I think there's something positive to be said for all of the eras of the station (even the Michael Bolton ad nauseum days.) I know Dr G was not very open minded about changing anything around there, and I'd guess that Peggy Brooks had to be pried apart with a crowbar to allow the 60s and 80s onto the playlist.

...you all have a few real DUD songs that still dot the playlist!!
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Hey Mike - always good to see your 2 cents!!

I'm so happy to hear that you still listen, post-Bass! I've been curious what you think of the 80s/60s thing. I'm sure that Dr. G would have gone with any musical suggestion I would have given him....but can definately confirm that Peggy Brooks is involved in ALL decisions - and wanted the 80s from day one.

I think I have to agree with you buddy.....there are still alot of duds on the playlist!! - (although i disagree that Oh Very Young is one of them) -- but still, there are duds - i couldn't immediately delete ALL of the Bass favorites, but I'm getting there.
 
"oh very Young" wasn't a bad song,however there are some on the playlist that are enough to make Bruce Willis grow hair again,so he could pull it out. Don't get me started on "research, focus groups' etc. Any survey,test, andstyle of execution can be manipulated,slanted to get a projected response. I know sales folks will rain on that with "not if you want to please a client.etc. truth be told,they are just as human as the rest of us and some form of bias will enterin. They are certainly not Spock in stature.
 
DFWPT said:
"Scott" (Mr. Gibbs) -

You crack me up!

How do you know Peggy? From when you worked at KEOM?

Have you ever met Gavin? How can YOU afford PPM data? - the books aren't that good, they can't possibly be selling well. LOL - you crack me up. Have a nice day.
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Chris,

For the last time, I am Scott. I do not even know anyone named Jim Gibbs. Who is that?

And I told you exactly how I have access to PPM data. I work in radio.

You're making a fool out of yourself at this point, so I think we need to continue this offline. You can e-mail me at [email protected].
 
Little1, that's right on the mark, and that's why I said the term "dud" is subjective. Really, I don't know a real effective way to pick music...I don't believe in survey groups hearing little snippets of songs. Sure, gut instinct used to carry some programmers very far and put them on the map, and I think one has to still use a measure of that, even today, in any format. When you talk about programmers who program just to their own taste, I always think of Jeff K and the trainwreck The Bone became after a few months on the air. I believe on this board we called it his "personal jukebox." :D
 
Having worked with Jeff K way back when, I can tell you that there is probably NOTHING ever aired on the Bone that was programmed from his personal musical tastes.

Now Merge 93-3, especially his old late night speciality show, personal jukebox. Totally.

Some of the stuff he plays during Stars games, personal jukebox...

But Bone? If you really think so, please share with the class. I'd like to get a feel for what you think Jeff's personal taste is.

As someone who's seen his CD collection, it'll be funny to see how close you are.
 
http://www.arbitron.com/home/ratings.htm

KRLDFM is 33rd with a 1.0. The Ticket is 12th with a 3.2 and ESPN is 30 with a 1.2. Even with ESPN's big drop, The Fan couldn't overtake them.

Meanwhile, KSKY showed up with a .4 (tied for 37th), although before P&K and BDH get too cocky, they were a .3 the previous period and a .4 back in April, so there's no discernible effect at this point. KNON rated a .3
 
Little1 is on the money. I have worked with Jeff as well, and I have no doubt that the changes made to the Bone after launch were more the product of corporate meddling/consultants/focus groups and not so much a reflection of Jeff's involvement. Jeff does indeed have great taste in music, though it leans more towards an alternative/electronica bent (the old Edge Club 94 and Submerge are probably much better examples of the kind of stuff he normally listened to).
 
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