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just terrible.

I thought their boy Eminem said nobody listens to techno ;D

Hip-hop has totally lost their course now, first rhythmic, and now "ghetto techno" what's next, "fly jazz?"
 
Probably just a simple change in

1. The choice to use dumb, low quality lyrics, and
2. The title of the track

along with taking a bit more time to learn about "techno", would've made a difference.

I've also got to admit I'm not enjoying Timbaland's new style of watered down "techno" beats as much as I did his true creative complicated style of the late 90's. Yes, the watered down dance beats were exciting when it was a "whole new sound", but after a while, it gets old, especially when we should've (and have) advanced past that by now. There were actually a lot of things I've been excited about this year alone that were really dumb, but just seemed exciting because not only was it "new and different", but it also helped prove that the dance sound had potential! I admit a lot of stupid things got me excited, but I bet you that if "ghetto techno" were released even before the Rihanna, Missy Elliott....etc. uptempo sound became official, I can guarantee you that I still would not have been excited about the song.

Anyway, I think I've said enough. Oh, and lastly, for those who don't know much about dance, but also hear the Jay-Z song and think it's "whack", that's only going to leave an even worse impression of the sound and genre in their minds. It's already bad enough that he had to use the word "techno". That word in itself paints a certain picture and generates a stereotype in minds.
 
The sadder part? Once "Empire State Of Mind" gets played out, watch this track step in as the "follow up" :(

And if I'm not mistaken, isn't the REAL "ghetto techno" the stuff that Kevin Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Derrick May put out back in the 80's with groups such as "Rythim Is Rythim" and "Inner City?" (I put the "quotes up" because they all lived in suburban Detroit <BELLEVILLE>)
 
I kinda like it. The lyrics are silly, which is surprising for Jay Z, but I think the song could work wonders on the dancefloor at Hip Hop clubs. Sounds like a pretty good party record for Hip Hop radio stations as well. There's a very strong hook with a sweeping hi hat and beat well synced with the words "shot glass".
Here's what you gotta remember - for a Hip Hop record it sounds pretty fresh!
Reminds me of the type of ghetto funk records Brazil used to be known for.
 
Not all that bad. It was just the way it was done, in addition to the horrible chorus lyrics and the title of the song that kills it. I do however, agree that it is pretty fresh - especially for the 2009 standards of hip hop.

I'm sure Jay-Z is disappointed that he himself had to come to this, but at the same time finally thought "Oh what the hell! If this is what I must do now then so be it. Whatever pays the bills - I've already done enough."

Can't complain really. If it were me and I were a couple bands down and I was trying to get back, and gave the other grip and lost a flip for five stacks, I'd probably just throw something together and release it as a follow up single for easy money, knowing how much power and possibility I have due to already being a well known established music artist.
 
I think the record could work on a station like B-96 Chicago,, but I wouldnt play it on a pure dance, or a hip hop-rap station... Im just not a fan of Jay Z really, I liked 99 problems for the lyrics, but I hated the beat.. I think Trouble was Jay's best record, too bad it wasnt a single,,, it wasnt Dance, but it was fresh sounding,, its a few years old now, youtube it...
 
I really liked "Death of Auto Tune" that came out earlier this year. It was huge on stations like Hot 97 New York. It's got that whole live instrumentation thing going for it, and a mad saxophone solo, which sounds a lot like a guitar solo.
Other Jay Z alltime favorites: "Hard Knock Life", "Wishing On A Star", and "Dead Presidents", as well as his duet with his future wife, Beyonce, on "Bonnie & Clyde".

One of the highlights has to be at the 2004 Grammys when Jay performed "Numb/Encore" with Linkin Park...and PAUL MCCARTNEY joined in with verses from the Beatles classic "Yesterday"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24MD-v0IgYA

Music trivia: Jay Z attended the same high school in Brooklyn where Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes also went to school!
 
Jay-Z is one of the best, never putting out a song that I disliked - at least from what I remember, but what I don't get is if he was going to screw up or screw around, why did he just have to coincidentally happen to mess up on THAT particular song?

How difficult is it really to just create new songs with vocal & lyrical elements and arrangements similar to how it was done in "Big Pimpin" and "Jigga What, Jigga Who", and just use an uptempo bass or breakbeat over it? - Oh, and NOT THE WAY MARIAH CAREY DOES, where she decided that the ONE TIME she would go uptempo with a remix, she'd just steal the Ghosttown Dj's "my Boo" beat and completely try to recycle it in late 2009, early 2010!

Jay-Z could EASILY make a (dance) party record while still using lyrical style elements from "Big Pimpin" & "Jigga What", finding a girl to sing the hooks or certain portions of the songs, and just use a beat double the speed of what was used in those two example songs I just used.

Oh, and even worse, he couldn't even manage to at least find or use a beat that was entirely uptempo all throughout the song AND above 120 bpm to do this type of "ghetto techno" thing. I didn't even have to listen to it - from the moment I saw the title "ghetto techno", I knew instantly that.... that.... well, nothing good was going to result from this, but I listened anyway because I still had HOPE.
 
d21ofnj said:
I thought their boy Eminem said nobody listens to techno ;D

Hip-hop has totally lost their course now, first rhythmic, and now "ghetto techno" what's next, "fly jazz?"
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Just like old skool scratches its head about new skool, now new skool is scratching its head about "ghetto techno." This track will hit it big in 2010.

This makes me remember when Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five made "Scorpio" after their smash hit "The Message." The latter being a serious rap song that hit it big in the charts but the former was a party song, influenced, I guess, by Afrika Bambaataa.

Another thing, I will not be surprised with this song if it somehow "legitimizes" techno. You see, with trend followers, as opposed to trend setters, they have the function of "legitimizing" stuff that pioneers and folks who toiled and experimented had to take $**t for.

How about a Jay Z/Meat Beat Manifesto collaboration?! ;D :D
 
I forgot about hard knocked life and jigga what,, those were good records... 99 problems would have been awesome with the same lyrics, but a slight dance beat,,, maybe 110 bpm....
 
I can imagine LMFAO creating a good remix out of "99 Problems".

Jay-Z would do much better on an uptempo beat than Gucci Mane would. He's proven it on past records. There was even a bass remix of "big pimpin" available a few years back. I'm thinking it might have been a funkymix remix.
 
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