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K-Earth 101 Totally 80's Labor Day Weekend

LARadioRewind said:
Very peculiar. Maybe someone at KRTH is trying to find out if we complainers are still listening. When Hotel California is played three or four times a day but is no longer listed on the website's playlist, every time one of us comments about it, KRTH has proof that we were actually listening. Or maybe KRTH no longer lists the song because they know how much we complain about it. They couldn't stop playing it, of course---just quit showing it on the playlist.
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Since nobody in advertising or radio checks the online display of songs played, there is no reason for KRTH to hide plays.

Under the "when your hear hoofbeats, think horses and not zebras" concept, then the likely thing is that the coding of the song somehow got deleted from the metadata on the file.
 
And you don't think it's unusual that the coding disappeared from only one song---and it's the song that KRTH has played more than any other for the past several months? And if airplay for Hotel California is no longer registering, Don Felder, Don Henley and Glenn Frey stand to lose at least $1.25 in royalties! :)
 
LARadioRewind said:
And you don't think it's unusual that the coding disappeared from only one song---and it's the song that KRTH has played more than any other for the past several months? And if airplay for Hotel California is no longer registering, Don Felder, Don Henley and Glenn Frey stand to lose at least $1.25 in royalties! :)
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The RDS encoding of the song is not what determines royalties. BDS and MediaBase use audio fingerprinting technology to identify songs played on the radio, and this is reported to the rights collections organizations for the purpose of allocating payments to the authors and composers. The detection is not dependent on any encoding at the station end.

KRTH pays a fee based on the "size" of the station to ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. They don't pay per song, but have a global license to broadcast all covered music.

BDS shows 26 plays for Hotel in the 7 days ending Friday the 12th.
 
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I tell you is a Conspiracy. Suddenly "Hotel California" had disappeared frrom every RDS display in the country. TMZ reports the recent sightings of UFO's and solar flares could be the cause.
 
DavidEduardo said:


then the likely thing is that the coding of the song somehow got deleted from the metadata on the file.
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Yeah, and that unlikely, unfortunate song is (drum roll.....) HOTEL CALIFORNIA. What a coincidence.

The KRTH and CBS radio execs have been reading everyone's posts for the past year.
 
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LARadioRewind said:
How about a new slogan: "All repetition, all the time."
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I like your new slogan. Fits perfectly for the L.A. area. Actually, according to some here, L.A. residents can deal with weekly repetition, so KRTH should rank #1 next book.
 
DavidEduardo said:
BDS shows 26 plays for Hotel in the 7 days ending Friday the 12th.
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26 times in a week? 156 minutes (2 hours and 36 minutes of Hotel in 7 days). We'll substitute Radio Rewind's new slogan, right here.
 
oldies76 said:
Yeah, and that unlikely, unfortunate song is (drum roll.....) HOTEL CALIFORNIA. What a coincidence.
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Since there are nearly a dozen songs that rotate the same or more than Hotel, I see no reason why, save for a production room error or accidental erasure, they would remove the metadata for one song out of many.

The KRTH and CBS radio execs have been reading everyone's posts for the past year.
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I thoroughly doubt that they even check in here... due in no small part to the incessant rants about how they should make changes in what is now a top 5 radio station.
 
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TheBigA said:
Once again, why do you care? You don't live in LA.
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Nor is he (or anyone else) hearing 26 plays a week of "Hotel California". I don't care how many times a radio station I listen to plays a song. I only care how many times I hear it. If they're playing it every other song when I'm not listening, it doesn't matter to me.
 
TheBigA said:
Once again, why do you care? You don't live in LA.
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I lived in Orange County (San Juan Capistrano area) from 1979 to 2005 and I listened to KRTH and other great stations and know it's history during that time. Honestly, it was great times, especially during the earlier portion (the early to mid 80's) and a GREAT station.

To hear KRTH today, maybe it's great for their new audience, but they've lost touch with the listeners that "grew up" with them way back. As I've said before, to us (and I'm in the demo) KRTH is a shell of what it once was. and you know it.

I disagree with their methods today. So yes, I may live 1100 miles east of there, but I have followed this legendary station through the years and to me (and probably most of their "former" listeners), they have failed.

It may be #1 with their "new" listeners, but it isn't #1 for us. And the former listeners know exactly what I'm talking about.
 
oldies76 said:
I lived in Orange County (San Juan Capistrano area) from 1979 to 2005 and I listened to KRTH and other great stations and know it's history during that time. Honestly, it was great times, especially during the earlier portion (the early to mid 80's) and a GREAT station.

To hear KRTH today, maybe it's great for their new audience, but they've lost touch with the listeners that "grew up" with them way back. As I've said before, to us (and I'm in the demo) KRTH is a shell of what it once was. and you know it.

I disagree with their methods today. So yes, I may live 1100 miles east of there, but I have followed this legendary station through the years and to me (and probably most of their "former" listeners), they have failed.

It may be #1 with their "new" listeners, but it isn't #1 for us. And the former listeners know exactly what I'm talking about.
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In the early to mid 80s, KRTH was lucky to break into the Top 10. And then, 8th place was about as good as it got. It's now 3rd. We should all "fail" so well.
 
oldies76 said:
It may be #1 with their "new" listeners, but it isn't #1 for us. And the former listeners know exactly what I'm talking about.
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It doesn't matter because you're not there any more. And there IS a radio station where you live that does what you want. Rather than be satisfied with what you have, you choose to spend your time complaining about a place where you don't live any more.

You want things to be as they were when you were younger. That's not going to happen. You're not that age, it's not the 90s, and the station is aiming at a different audience. You can't handle that, but it's the truth. They're not going back to the past any more than you will. This message board is filled with boomers who can't figure out what happened and why things have changed. You're just another one of those.
 
oldies76 said:
I disagree with their methods today. So yes, I may live 1100 miles east of there, but I have followed this legendary station through the years and to me (and probably most of their "former" listeners), they have failed.

It may be #1 with their "new" listeners, but it isn't #1 for us. And the former listeners know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Those former listers have aged out of an economically viable demographic for a radio station. KRTH does not want them, and they don't care what they think about the station.

Similarly, there are many who bemoan the lack of Carpenters, Manilow and Air Supply on KOST. They are all in their 60s and useless to a radio station that wants to sell advertising to agencies.

And KTWV no longer plays Yanni and has lightened up on the Kenny G. The smooth jazz listeners of yesteryear don't like that. They are also in their 60's for the most part.

All these are heritage radio stations. KRTH has kept current and is a major player. So is KOST. KTWV lost its way, and, thus, its heritage status.
 
Michael mentioned KRTH's ratings. I dug up---well, not literally dug up---the Los Angeles Arbitron ratings from summer of 1984, when KFI was 20th and KABC was at #2. Cue the tympani. *Ba-dommmmmm......."Thirty years ago today!"...*

1 - KIIS, 10.0
2 - KABC, 7.9
3 - KJOI, 4.4
4 - KBIG, 4.1
5 - KLOS, 3.5
6 - KMPC, 3.4
7 - KOST, 3.4
8 - KTNQ, 3.2
9 - KMET, 3.1
10 - KKHR, 3.0
11 - KFWB, 2.9
12 - KNX, 2.9
13 - KRTH, 2.9
14 - KROQ, 2.8
15 - KMGG, 2.4
16 - KIQQ, 2.4
17 - KJLH, 2.0
18 - KZLA, 2.0
19 - KLAC, 1.9
20 - KFI, 1.8
 
LARadioRewind said:
"Thirty years ago today!"...*

1 - KIIS, 10.0
2 - KABC, 7.9
3 - KJOI, 4.4
4 - KBIG, 4.1
5 - KLOS, 3.5
6 - KMPC, 3.4
7 - KOST, 3.4
8 - KTNQ, 3.2
9 - KMET, 3.1
10 - KKHR, 3.0
11 - KFWB, 2.9
12 - KNX, 2.9
13 - KRTH, 2.9
14 - KROQ, 2.8
15 - KMGG, 2.4
16 - KIQQ, 2.4
17 - KJLH, 2.0
18 - KZLA, 2.0
19 - KLAC, 1.9
20 - KFI, 1.8
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Well, despite the 2.9, they still had superior presentation and a good playlist then. Surprised XETRA isn't on this list.
 
oldies76 said:
Well, despite the 2.9, they still had superior presentation and a good playlist then. Surprised XETRA isn't on this list.
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How typical of you. Proof that the ratings were low and you still say it was "superior".

Those numbers show that obviously there weren't as many listeners like you who thought that way.

Ergo, you do not have a position from which to judge whether a radio station is good or bad.

The defense rests.
 
oldies76 said:
Well, despite the 2.9, they still had superior presentation and a good playlist then. Surprised XETRA isn't on this list.
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By 1984, several things had happened...

There were no AM music stations in English in the top 20 (KMPC may be considered a "sort of" music station but it was mostly personality driven and by then very old leaning).

The man made noise level due to electrical and electronic equipment was building rapidly due to dimmers, fluorescents and those danged new computers. That reduced the signal penetration of stations like XEAK / XETRA.

In any case, XETRA did not have a very good signal outside of Orange County, the South Bay area and the coastal areas of LA County. As one moved inland, the signal declined and was generally not usable by the mid 80's.
 
K.M. Richards said:
How typical of you. Proof that the ratings were low and you still say it was "superior".

Those numbers show that obviously there weren't as many listeners like you who thought that way.
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You obviously weren't listening back then.....typical. Maybe you should learn from one who did.
 
oldies76 said:
You obviously weren't listening back then.....typical. Maybe you should learn from one who did.
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You don't get that KRTH in the year in reference was a rather low rated station. It was even beaten by KTNQ when the market was under 25% Hispanic.

You can't have a "good" station if it has "bad" ratings.

While it may have been "great" to you, it obviously was not great to the immense majority of the LA audience.
 
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