Kabc really has been ticking me off with there infomercials

[hotpatrick2004]

On friday night you never here the full 4 hours of red eye radio and last night the same thing not a full red eye radio. What a disgrace this station is to talk stations across the country!!!I like larry john phillips and doug but technically he does not work for kabc he works for citadels syndicator i would think.

Do it right kabc or just pull the plug and call it a day

 

[radioman148]

The ratings are where they are for a reason.

 

[calguy]

Re: Kabc really has been ticking me off with there infomercials? Should read: Kabc really has been ticking me off with their infomercials

 

[radioman148]

"KABC all colon blow, all the time"

 

[westfield60]

"KABC all colon blow, all the time"

LOL

KABC is so irrelevant that it is not even funny. But should they be flipped, at least John Phillips can return back to the cast of GLEE.

 

[david]

Re: Kabc really has been ticking me off with THEIR infomercials

I have posted on this topic many times before......IMO, for KABC to have any hope of being relevant in this market again, they need to program themselves as the station of record, as they once were - topical, news focused, with hosts who are both informative and entertaining. Red Eye Radio is the closest thing they have right now. More proof...weekends on KABC (and KRLA as well) are a wasteland.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Re: Kabc really has been ticking me off with THEIR infomercials

I have posted on this topic many times before......IMO, for KABC to have any hope of being relevant in this market again, they need to program themselves as the station of record, as they once were - topical, news focused, with hosts who are both informative and entertaining. Red Eye Radio is the closest thing they have right now. More proof...weekends on KABC (and KRLA as well) are a wasteland.

The problem is that there is already a station of record and it's just down the dial. Like 'em or not, KFI has a better news department, is live and local for the most relevant dayparts excluding Rush, who can be argued to be the overall talk radio program of record, (Rush haters, save your vitriolic posts and just eat your hearts out), cover more local and statewide topics than any other station (particularly Carroll and John and Ken), and is the go-to station here in LA when disasters strike.

Again, the best KABC could do would be to imitate and try to go for #2, but these guys always think they know better and always are proven wrong. Drew Hayes now has a lot of company.

 

[SandyG]

MONEY MONEY MONEY. That is ALL that matters to management there. Why produce good content, let it build an audience and get great ratings and therefore revenue, when an informercial will pay MORE than they'd get with ratings? (and they don't have to pay for talent!) It's the same at KFWB. Why bother with the good shows when anyone with a big enough credit card can have a show? KFWB and KABC both need to be redone top to bottom.

 

[westfield60]

Re: Kabc really has been ticking me off with THEIR infomercials

KFI has a better news department

I have to disagree that KFI has a "better" news department. They too have a pathetic news department but compared with all the other failures out there they may be better in comparision. Terri Rae Elmer hasn't gotten one news segment correct since 1995. Every segment has her mis-prouncing something or making errors. She is way past her expiration date. Then you have the idiotic Steve Gregory with his constipated "KFI News" signature and no real brain into his segments and Chris Little. John and Ken always slam their news department for not getting the right info or not asking the correct relevant questions. Each time they come on their show they get slammed. What is worst is that they often contradict J&K in their news segments. Do they not listen to their talent.

So KFI news department is "better" but hardly competent. If they had real talent they would be working for network TV and not a local radio station.

 

[calguy]

Re: Kabc really has been ticking me off with THEIR infomercials

KFI has a better news department

I have to disagree that KFI has a "better" news department. They too have a pathetic news department but compared with all the other failures out there they may be better in comparision. Terri Rae Elmer hasn't gotten one news segment correct since 1995. Every segment has her mis-prouncing something or making errors. She is way past her expiration date. Then you have the idiotic Steve Gregory with his constipated "KFI News" signature and no real brain into his segments and Chris Little. John and Ken always slam their news department for not getting the right info or not asking the correct relevant questions. Each time they come on their show they get slammed. What is worst is that they often contradict J&K in their news segments. Do they not listen to their talent.

So KFI news department is "better" but hardly competent. If they had real talent they would be working for network TV and not a local radio station.

KFI does have a better news department. KABC, they've got one, but it's pretty small. They don't have enough real employees to be better. I really like your line about how "If they had real talent they would be working for network TV and not a local radio station". Gotta laugh at that. There's not a lot of "real" talent on TV anymore. Just lots of pretty faces on many of the channels and networks. That's not to say that there aren't talented people in both mediums, but TV news today is not the journalistic equivalent of it's ancestors. Radio, not far behind either, but saying that someone would be on TV if they had talent is an insult to those who choose radio over TV.

 

[davideduardo]

MONEY MONEY MONEY. That is ALL that matters to management there. Why produce good content, let it build an audience and get great ratings and therefore revenue, when an informercial will pay MORE than they'd get with ratings? (and they don't have to pay for talent!) It's the same at KFWB. Why bother with the good shows when anyone with a big enough credit card can have a show? KFWB and KABC both need to be redone top to bottom.

KFWB is in a trust, and eventually has to be sold. Why would anyone invest in improving it for the long run.

KABC, like KFWB, has a signal that can't compete in the LA metro.

Both are AMs. Limited coverage. Limited power. Limited upside. Nice properties for serving a number of the Asian communities, though.

 

[Big E]

Can you really call 5 people and 3 cubicles a News Dept? It can't compete with an actual FULL News staff like KFI. After the Dodger season comes to an end, the Infomercials will be the only thing keeping it alive.

 

[Uncle Rob]

Re: Kabc really has been ticking me off with THEIR infomercials

KFI has a better news department

I have to disagree that KFI has a "better" news department. They too have a pathetic news department but compared with all the other failures out there they may be better in comparision. Terri Rae Elmer hasn't gotten one news segment correct since 1995. Every segment has her mis-prouncing something or making errors. She is way past her expiration date. Then you have the idiotic Steve Gregory with his constipated "KFI News" signature and no real brain into his segments and Chris Little. John and Ken always slam their news department for not getting the right info or not asking the correct relevant questions. Each time they come on their show they get slammed. What is worst is that they often contradict J&K in their news segments. Do they not listen to their talent.

So KFI news department is "better" but hardly competent. If they had real talent they would be working for network TV and not a local radio station.

Wow Westfield 60, I'm guessing you thought you were up to their standards, applied for a job in the News Department and got turned down. KFI has the best radio news department in LA Radio, INCLUDING KNX. (Which is embarrassing for KNX when you consider they are the full time news channel.) John and Ken frequently have the reporters on their show and they explain in detail what is going on. I rarely if ever hear J&K knocking them for not asking the right questions. I have to wonder what is behind your anger at KFI News?

 

[flyonthewall]

Totally agree, KABC needs to be re-done top to bottom, including the uppermost managment, the GM. Sorry, I know Bob Moore has been in the radio biz for thirty years and is an "icon", but under his watch KABC and KLOS have both slipped off the rails. He is lucky Mark and Brian re-signed or there would be no KLOS. KABC is no longer a news station of record and KLOS, a shadow of what it once was. I have said enough about that in other posts. It is so sad what has happened to both of these stations, really, to those who grew up in the LA radio market and know what these two stations use to be.

 

[flyonthewall]

At least the PD of KABC has been in the radio market for a long time, but can't say he is doing a bang up job but the PD of KLOS, from what I understand, is from New York, what would a New Yorker know about the LA radio market? New York radio, LA radio, very different.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Totally agree, KABC needs to be re-done top to bottom, including the uppermost managment, the GM. Sorry, I know Bob Moore has been in the radio biz for thirty years and is an "icon", but under his watch KABC and KLOS have both slipped off the rails. He is lucky Mark and Brian re-signed or there would be no KLOS. KABC is no longer a news station of record and KLOS, a shadow of what it once was. I have said enough about that in other posts. It is so sad what has happened to both of these stations, really, to those who grew up in the LA radio market and know what these two stations use to be.

Fly,

You note that KLOS is a "shadow of what it once was", and yet other posters have noted that sometimes they can't tell if they are listening to them or to your client, KSWD, because the stations now sound so similar. David E. has said the stations are very close in their demo numbers. So if they sound the same, and more or less rate the same, what is KSWD doing that is so much better than KLOS?

 

[flyonthewall]

You still insist the Sound is my client. Ok, lol. If you listen to The Sound and you listen to KLOS you will hear the difference. The two stations do not sound anything alike. The Sound has far more songs in it's playlist rotation. As I have said before, KLOS programming, zzz, rinse and repeat. Should be automated, it is so predictable. Same songs, just another day.

 

[davideduardo]

You still insist the Sound is my client. Ok, lol. If you listen to The Sound and you listen to KLOS you will hear the difference. The two stations do not sound anything alike. The Sound has far more songs in it's playlist rotation.

That they are different is a confirmed fact. KSND shares less than 45% of its listeners with KLOS. In fact, it shares more with KRTH and KCBS-FM than with KOLS, and shares essentially the same amount with KOST, KBIG, KYSR and KISS.

KLOS shares nearly half of its cume with KCBS-FM, and then, with around a third with KBIG, KOST, KRTH, KROQ, KYSR, KIIS and then, with under 30%, KSWD. The same amount of KLOS cumers also use KSWD as the percentage that uses Amp.

 

[jmtillery]

KFWB is in a trust, and eventually has to be sold. Why would anyone invest in improving it for the long run.

On the surface the only real reason a licensee would invest capital to improve a station in trust is for the very reason you pointed out - it eventually will be sold. For this reason any improvements made, especially in revenue, will increase the station's overall FMV which will garner a higher selling price. Of course there are many other variables in the equation such as potential financially qualified suitors in addition to any potential listener base growth. If the variables indicate there is growth potential for KFWB, then a cash infusion to improve the station may make good business sense. On the other hand, if the station has already reached its peak, then the best course of action is to leave it as is and simply dispose of the property.

 

[davideduardo]

If the variables indicate there is growth potential for KFWB, then a cash infusion to improve the station may make good business sense. On the other hand, if the station has already reached its peak, then the best course of action is to leave it as is and simply dispose of the property.

And that is the case. There is no viable English language position in the market that is not on a better signal, and CBS is not known for doing any non-English programming except on FMs where they have a handful of Spanish language ones. And Spanish on an AM is likely even less viable than what they are doing now. Of course, the signal is not full market, so it makes sense to hold, like so many homeowners are doing, until the market improves. I wonder if they have written this one down as an impaired asset?