Not to the Seattle-Tacoma area though. Somebody is gonna put up a 200 watt transmitter in Glenoma, which is out in the boonies near Morton. Might even be near Mossyrock too!
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KBSG to make a comeback
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IndigoCoyote
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IndigoCoyote said:
Thank you! 1000 watts is sooo much more than 200 watts! Of course it's also far less than the standard FM station of 50,000 watts!
dadetim said:
Thank you! Didn't bother getting out my map for that one! The bottom line is it's not gonna be a receivable station in the Seattle-Tacoma, or even Olympia area.
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50,000 watts is not the standard FM station. There are several classes of FM's in the Northwest. Class A is 6000 watts, C3 is 25,000, C2 is 50,000, CO, C1 and C are 100,000 watts maximum. The actual power they can use depends on the tower location and height above average terrain.
Folks, the discussion on this proposal ought to be:
Is this programming "format" even viable? There's a reason most stations have abandoned oldies and MOR type programming long ago....does anyone really think that it's good enough to $$ pay for expenses and cover even a non-com these days? (remember KSEA anyone?)
As for the power levels of the proposed facilities, this is irreverent. These stations in Lewis county will never make it into the Seattle Metro. Translators are limited and will not cover majority of this market, no matter where they might be located at. The max power level for any translator is 250 watts and even IF someone got a license to run at this power level in or near Seattle, you still can't cover.
No folks, these proposals will be severely limited from many directions, starting with facilities and closely followed up by the planned programming.
Is this programming "format" even viable? There's a reason most stations have abandoned oldies and MOR type programming long ago....does anyone really think that it's good enough to $$ pay for expenses and cover even a non-com these days? (remember KSEA anyone?)
As for the power levels of the proposed facilities, this is irreverent. These stations in Lewis county will never make it into the Seattle Metro. Translators are limited and will not cover majority of this market, no matter where they might be located at. The max power level for any translator is 250 watts and even IF someone got a license to run at this power level in or near Seattle, you still can't cover.
No folks, these proposals will be severely limited from many directions, starting with facilities and closely followed up by the planned programming.
I'm waiting for the return of KUUU.
BurntOutRadio said:
I mistyped. But actually most commercial FM's are either 100,000 or 50,000. You only further pointed out how ridulously low power the KBSG will be, regardless of whether it is 200 watts, OR 1000 watts.
radioplayer said:
102.9, whatever it's call letters are, makes it into Seattle metro. Maybe not north of Seattle, but it does make it into the area. Not that I care!
Lonely Summer said:
KUUU is licensed to South Jordan, Utah (aka, "serving the public of Salt Lake, Ogden and Provo") so I don't follow.
Yes...KUUU was live oldies for awhile...then automated oldies (sounded pretty good for automated AM)...then took the LA-based "Mellow Rock" format as "the mellow sound". Owned by SRO as the sister of KZOK...it rolled over in 1977 to become an AM simulcast of KZOK then, as Bongwater points out, a whole littany of various experiments!
KUUU was my introduction to the oldies format. It was part of my musical education. Tons of 50's hits, a lot of 60's, and even the occasional current hit. It's sad that 50's rock and roll (and much of the 60's) is completely missing from Seattle radio now. KIXI does a good job of covering the big band/crooners era, I'd like to see someone do something similar with a rock 'n' roll format. Sure, KIXI slips into the 60's and 70's sometimes, but you're not gonna hear "Good Golly Miss Molly", "Sweet Little Sixteen", "I'm Walkin" or "Blue Suede Shoes" there. It would be kind of funny, though, if they followed Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Bing Crosby with "All Day and All of the Night" and "House of the Rising Sun". 
Lonely Summer said:KUUU was my introduction to the oldies format. It was part of my musical education. Tons of 50's hits, a lot of 60's, and even the occasional current hit. It's sad that 50's rock and roll (and much of the 60's) is completely missing from Seattle radio now. KIXI does a good job of covering the big band/crooners era, I'd like to see someone do something similar with a rock 'n' roll format. Sure, KIXI slips into the 60's and 70's sometimes, but you're not gonna hear "Good Golly Miss Molly", "Sweet Little Sixteen", "I'm Walkin" or "Blue Suede Shoes" there. It would be kind of funny, though, if they followed Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Bing Crosby with "All Day and All of the Night" and "House of the Rising Sun".
You might have liked KQUL (in the first few months they were on, they later went to the bird fed "Kool Gold" format) when they were locally programmed. And it was programmed by Danny Holiday then, if I remember correctly.......
My two favorite layers were KJET and KZOK-AM (Z-Rock era, during the locally programmed middays and afternoons when Jeff Gilbert hosted and programmed it.)
"Oldies" is a tough fragmented format. Having been involved with, and done research for several now former oldies stations, the problem is there are three distinct camps of listener: The 65+year old 50's "doo-wop" era oldies listener who absolutely HATES cross-over classic rock, and who's demographic is totally not sought after by national or regional advertisers. Otherwise known as; they love your station if you play enough Buddy Holly or Elvis, but Lord help you if you play The Beatles or any British invasion era music. The other problem is that listeners are dying off, literally.
The next camp is the "bubble gum/Brit invasion" era listener, who cringes when a song from the Eagles or a "doo wop" song comes on. The problem is with this era of playlist is its VERY limited. You folks gripe about small playlists? If so then you weren't around in the 60's when this stuff was being played power rotation twice an hour.
Then of course you have the modern oldies.."classic hits"; with fairly good, but not very loyal demos. National and regional advertisers like the demographic, but in general the format does not provide high ratings over the long haul, mainly because of sharing the audience with "classic rock" formats, with classic rock always winning the battle. The comparison being similar to the "adult rock" formats attempted in the late 70's.
The next camp is the "bubble gum/Brit invasion" era listener, who cringes when a song from the Eagles or a "doo wop" song comes on. The problem is with this era of playlist is its VERY limited. You folks gripe about small playlists? If so then you weren't around in the 60's when this stuff was being played power rotation twice an hour.
Then of course you have the modern oldies.."classic hits"; with fairly good, but not very loyal demos. National and regional advertisers like the demographic, but in general the format does not provide high ratings over the long haul, mainly because of sharing the audience with "classic rock" formats, with classic rock always winning the battle. The comparison being similar to the "adult rock" formats attempted in the late 70's.
TVradioguru said:
You make good points here. But whaddya mean you can't advertise nationally to fans of '50s music? Sea-Bond denture cream is doing that very well in their TV ads actually......"BYE-BYE PASTE! BYE BYE OOZIENESS!....." as sung by some horribly off key senior citizens on a commercial usually shown while you're trying to eat your dinner during the network TV news......
But let's get a couple things straight: Doo-wop isn't ALL '50s rock, it's a seperate sub-genre of snazzy vocal harmony singing. When I think of doo-wop, I think of The Crests, The Platters, The Fleetwoods, The Orioles, The Dixie Cups and The Chords. Not Buddy Holly, Elvis, Bo Diddley or Little Richard. Sample a few from each and you'll see the difference.
All phases of oldies has their fans. The British Invasion, The Psychedelic Era, The Singer-Songwriter Era, The Glam Era, The Punk Era, The New Wave Era, The '80s Pop Era, The Hair Metal Era, The Grunge Era, The Gangsta Era, The '90s Pop Era and well.....I guess we're stuck here still.
But the point is every genre of these oldies has it's own core fans. And at the rate of format development has been going for the FUTURE, radio DEFINITELY has an expiration date.
So while all these dime a dozen classic/variety hits stations are going straight down the spiral, why not find a NEW genre and make a SPECIALTY of it? I mean, it won't be long before "Touch Me I'm Sick" Mudhoney becomes the soundtrack of a Blue Cross commercial anyway......
SeattleObserver said:
They used to be in Seattle!
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