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KFI Suspend John and Ken until next Tuesday

Q Tip said:
bs. hype. i bet they are still paid..........they have lost a lot of credibilty recently. good lick kfi most of us see through the bs
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I doubt that CC could dock their pay. Pretty sure they have ironclad contracts that would prevent that, but who knows, CC is a pretty harsh company when they want to be. Besides, we all know it just helps with their PR. They're already getting noticed on the national stage for it...
 
Did someone complain? Or did this happen internally? I read that some guy named Eggletion complained and ran excerpts on his "show" does he have a show? Mr Ed on msnbc did a bit on his TV show.
 
Also Handel has admitted he had a drug problem in the past..(went into the bathroom during the Bar Exam to do a line) etc. So he may have a different view. Not to get too far off topic, we do not know the cause of death...could be a number of things and people could end up with egg on their face if it is not prescription drug or alcohol related.

Since the guy in the 9-12 time slot has had prescription drug issues, it will be interesting where the debate goes.
 
Bug on the rug said:
Heard J&K talk about Whitney and pumped my fist in the air saying "Yeah! You're saying EXACTLY how I viewed Whitney!" <<
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Exactly why I wasn't surprised to hear she passed. I am soooo sick of the term "insensitive". Everyone should grow some ba**s and quit being a pu**y. Ooops! That wasn't politically correct. ;)
 
The suspension has to be a publicity stunt...KFI aired Tim Conway Jr. joking about Whitney's addiction to crack all week long. He didn't get suspended.
 
In Cleveland, Ohio a Clear Channel "shock jock" morning show on their Rock station talked about the incident and played a clip. The opinion of the host was it might be a stunt since nothing said (at least in the clip) was that bad, in his opinion. The whole "crack-ho" thing did lead some to think that may have been the reason if it isn't a stunt.
 
johnbasalla said:
In Cleveland, Ohio a Clear Channel "shock jock" morning show on their Rock station talked about the incident and played a clip. The opinion of the host was it might be a stunt since nothing said (at least in the clip) was that bad, in his opinion. The whole "crack-ho" thing did lead some to think that may have been the reason if it isn't a stunt.
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It's just another example of the racist society we live in. If a host calls Amy Winehouse a crack ho, then there is no problem. But call Whitney Houston a crack-ho, or say the New Jersey basketball players looked like "nappy-headed hos", well then its off to the re-education camp for you. I wish there was more nuance to it, but when it comes to what you can and can't say, the issue is as simple as black and white.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
johnbasalla said:
In Cleveland, Ohio a Clear Channel "shock jock" morning show on their Rock station talked about the incident and played a clip. The opinion of the host was it might be a stunt since nothing said (at least in the clip) was that bad, in his opinion. The whole "crack-ho" thing did lead some to think that may have been the reason if it isn't a stunt.
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It's just another example of the racist society we live in. If a host calls Amy Winehouse a crack ho, then there is no problem. But call Whitney Houston a crack-ho, or say the New Jersey basketball players looked like "nappy-headed hos", well then its off to the re-education camp for you. I wish there was more nuance to it, but when it comes to what you can and can't say, the issue is as simple as black and white.
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The reaction is pretty simple. "Nappy-headed hos" is enough to get you fired by a company that still cares about the image it projects. "Crack-ho'" gets you a week off from Clear Channel. J&K are paid plenty to walk the line of good taste, dip their toes over the line, maybe a whole foot goes in from time to time. Eventually (and regularly) they'll go too far and go in mouth-first. But the thing to remember is nobody cares whether what they say is moral or racist. Nobody is sorry. Not J&K, not CC, even most of the folks on this thread don't care. Face it, this is simply the cost of doing business. After all if CC gets too much pressure from a special interest they can add another show to KTLK! A talk radio make good.
 
John and Ken need to talk with Whitney's daughter and tell her that her mother in their opinion was a crack-ho. At least that way they show they have cajones. Saying it on air behind her back is sheer cowardice. So Imus gets fired for saying nappy headed hos and John and Ken get a 10 day vacation for calling a dead woman a crack-ho. If CC really does not want to tolerate such behavior they should cancel their contract. The totality of their on air performance certainly justifies letting them go. How many more do they need to insult before this happens. I think it is inevitable. And they perfectly fit the description of mysoginists, no question there. Surprised to see support for their lame behavior on this board. Could be coming from friends or insiders but it makes no sense. Easy to kick a dead woman after she is gone and place her daughter in a very bad position by reckless on air behavior. Sooner they are gone the better. They give radio a very bad name. A true embarrassment to radio pros everywhere.
 
randy chase said:
John and Ken need to talk with Whitney's daughter and tell her that her mother in their opinion was a crack-ho. At least that way they show they have cajones. Saying it on air behind her back is sheer cowardice. So Imus gets fired for saying nappy headed hos and John and Ken get a 10 day vacation for calling a dead woman a crack-ho. If CC really does not want to tolerate such behavior they should cancel their contract. The totality of their on air performance certainly justifies letting them go. How many more do they need to insult before this happens. I think it is inevitable. And they perfectly fit the description of mysoginists, no question there. Surprised to see support for their lame behavior on this board. Could be coming from friends or insiders but it makes no sense. Easy to kick a dead woman after she is gone and place her daughter in a very bad position by reckless on air behavior. Sooner they are gone the better. They give radio a very bad name. A true embarrassment to radio pros everywhere.
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They're job is not to broadcast to Whitney's daughter, it is to broadcast to their audience. Nobody that was actually in their top-rated audience had a problem with what they said. It was outside forces, probably orchestrated by the evil Medial Matters in the background, that caused the ruckus.

As far as what should happen to them, the "totality of their on-air performance" as they dominate their format, timeslot, and demo, dictates that they get PD duties in addition to doing their own show.

And no, I am not an insider or friend of theirs. I am what the radio is actually there for. A listener.
 
Your respect for on air personalities that mock the dead and call a dead woman a crack-ho is your own business. I do not believe that most people share that view. They are fortunate they do not answer to me. I would have handed them their walking papers and told my legal team to support the decision. John and Ken are an embarrassment to real broadcasters. They have been down this road before so obviously CC is willing to tolerate such behavior. Their PD should have canned them on the spot. I don't think what they said was even remotely funny. But it was a great example of on air talent behaving like teenage brats.
 
randy chase said:
Your respect for on air personalities that mock the dead and call a dead woman a crack-ho is your own business. I do not believe that most people share that view. They are fortunate they do not answer to me. I would have handed them their walking papers and told my legal team to support the decision. John and Ken are an embarrassment to real broadcasters. They have been down this road before so obviously CC is willing to tolerate such behavior. Their PD should have canned them on the spot. I don't think what they said was even remotely funny. But it was a great example of on air talent behaving like teenage brats.
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I take it you're not a fan of the First Amendment?
 
Don Imus exercised his first amendment rights on the public airwaves using the expression nappy headed hos in a comedic format and was fired flat out.
John & Ken used their expression "crack-ho" for just deceased Whitney Houston and got a one week vacation.

They should have been canned flat out. Instead it looks like a very cheap publicity stunt by the station.

Using the public airwaves to mock the dead is juvenile and pathetic. John and Ken will never be able to recover as a respected on air team. Don't be surprised if their contract expires without an offer. They are now toxic. You will never hear a radio pro like Doug McIntytre stoop to such amateurish conduct. It is way beneath his sort. I have too much respect for talk radio to condone this fiasco.
 
randy chase said:
Don Imus exercised his first amendment rights on the public airwaves using the expression nappy headed hos in a comedic format and was fired flat out.
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While the airwaves may be "public" in the sense that they are administered by your and my government, stations are private property. There is no "First Ammendment" rights over private property; the owner of property can establish the rules they want for their property.

In the case of Imus, the owner of the station and the network decided that they did not want a particular type of behaviour on their airwaves, and they cut him loose.
 
Re: KFI Suspend John and Ken until Feb 27

David you are so right. The owner of KFI says "we won't tolerate" such behavior. Then they give the perpetrators a one week vacation and welcome them back on the air. Give credit to CBS for getting rid of old Imus when they had the chance.

Smart Angelinos will see through this pair and turn to other fare. I am done with these two.
 
A broadcast station has the government's thumb in their back pocket unlike a newspaper. Since the government regulates the "limited" airwaves the FCC can try to regulate/fine a TV Network (Superbowl breast) under some circumstances. I've never heard of a license not being renewed for not airing 'public service" programming however or because they don't like the content.

For the most part stations must air political candidate ads because of the First Amendment even if they are tacky, vulgar, etc. Section 315 of the Communications Act says candidates ads must be run and can not be censored. If J&K decided to run for office they could not be censored. Otherwise they can be.

http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/tags/no-censorship-of-political-ads/
 
To everyone who demands that talk radio hosts be nice, moderate and even-handed, kindly keep your dials tuned to your local government-funded NPR station and stay the hell out of commercial talk radio. This isn't stuff for *******, if I may be frank.

Seriously, whose precious feelings am I supposed to be worried about here? Not Whitney's, 'cause she's dead. Her fans? Sorry, you may have respected her as an artist, but you didn't know her as a person, so you have no right to be offended. The only ones with possibly legitimate complaints are those who knew her personally, and you know what? I'm willing to bet that the reason their feelings are hurt is because the comments hit close to home, BECAUSE THEY WERE TRUE AND THEY KNOW IT. If there were no truth to what was said, it would have been shrugged off as someone's insane ramblings.

So the lesson I guess is that radio hosts are supposed to be careful about hurting people's feelings by SAYING THE TRUTH. Well to those who knew and loved Whitney, if you'll pardon me for throwing out some cliches here, you need to man up nancy, grow a pair, life's tough so get a freaking helmet, shall I go on?! I'm sorry someone you loved is dead, and I know tough talk like this isn't easy to accept, but you need to seriously get over concerning yourself with what other people might say about your lost loved one, ESPECIALLY if that person engaged in scandalous behavior in life. Should talk radio have shut up about Michael Jackson's scandals when he died? Does death automatically exonerate a person from judgment by the living?

If bland, milquetoast talk radio is your thing, more power to you. And it's not even that I find the NPR-type stuff intolerable. I can enjoy it once in a while. But I'll be damned if society is going to tell me that raw, honest, entertaining, no-holds-barred talk is now socially unacceptable and must be obliterated. My life would seriously become far less enjoyable. Is that selfish of me? You're damn right it is. It's my life. I'm ALIVE, and I'm not going to stop enjoying what I love for the sake of the DEAD.
 
Randy Chase wrote:

"John & Ken used their expression "crack-ho" for just deceased Whitney Houston and got a one week vacation.
They should have been canned flat out. Instead it looks like a very cheap publicity stunt by the station.
Using the public airwaves to mock the dead is juvenile and pathetic. John and Ken will never be able to recover as a respected on air team. Don't be surprised if their contract expires without an offer. They are now toxic. You will never hear a radio pro like Doug McIntytre stoop to such amateurish conduct. It is way beneath his sort. I have too much respect for talk radio to condone this fiasco."

While you make some valid points, If you really believe John and Ken are going lose their position's over this you're the one smoking crack now! They've survived way worse than this many times already! Doug McIntyre, What's so great about him? He is on a puny 5000 watt radio station without much when it comes to ratings. John and Ken are rocking on a 50,000 watt flame thrower! Doug should have just stayed on the overnight show, because he is not going to light the world on fire this time around either, even with the former KFI news lady by his side! Long live John and Ken!
 
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