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KFRC STILL HASN'T FOUND ITS WAY MUSICALLY?

I mainly will tune into KFRC on a weekend, and I do like the vintage Casey Kasem countdowns as well as the Ben Fong Torres on Sunday nights. I'm not much of a Beatles fan, so the Beatles brunch does'nt interest me. But seeing that they are the greatest band in Rock history, I can see how that show must have a sizable listener following....Having John Mac is an added plus!!!

All in all, I think its a major improvement compared to their 99.7 days earlier in the decade......
 
Sign of what times, Starbucks?

The sky has been falling for folk like you for those 15+ years, and here we are, still with terrestrial radio.

Yea, many if not most of the wounds on terrestrial radio are self inflicted, but that should tell you that the other forms of content delivery must be inadequate or falling short in not picking up/taking over for where radio has faltered.

And as another pointed out on this board, just because you and I may perceive something as bad or failure because we don't like it, doesn't make it so for others or make it a reality.
 
At the risk of being labeled a "Polyanna" type, I'll break from the regular anti-radio screed on this board and list a few things that have been done right in the last 15 years. By the way, I include myself as somebody who has complained about radio regularly. I'll put aside my own personal musical tastes, and mention a few stations that I don't listen to regularly, but have often made a sincere attempt to create good local live radio. Just because it doesn't conform to my taste, doesn't mean it isn't good, after all.

1. NPR (KQED, KALW, and others). Try streaming KCRW from Santa Monica.

That's Public Broadcasting.....they been deviating from the morals of this country and commercial radio since they sprung off from NET. Plus I'm not a suicidal liberal with a fake british accent, so that example doesn't count. I thought i go green with the party.

2. KGO - probably the best talk station in the county.

Oh God another one. I guess having child molesters and phony priest is a great attempt in radio. Next.....

3. KFOG - I've heard others quibble that it's far from perfect, but it's always very listenable.

It's not my cup of tea....but they do try for the lack of good new product that's out for their audience.

4. Live 105 and Alice - neither are to my taste musically, but make a sincere effort to deliver their format

Alice made a good attempt to bring a different contemporary sound to the audience in 97' but started to wane...but what they do will always be outclassed by the internet.

5. KDFC - a consistently good, though not great classical music station. At least we still have one in the Bay Area.

I'm not a long haired listener...but being Classical is nothing new. It's one of the few markets besides Portland that it could make money and ratings in todays corporate world.

6. KCSM - a great real jazz station - as good as KJAZ in its heyday.

Hey anything under 92.1 is always different. It's been that way since the 60's. Let's talk commercial. You made me go green again.


7. KFRC with Oldies in the mid 90s, again for a few months before the disasterous flip to "soft hits," then again for a few months as a good classic hits station before they blew it up for MOViN.

They blew it alright. CBS caused the biggest disaster there ever was. Even though the ratings were gradually declining...they could of touched it it up a bit.....it's just a result that alot of their audience went XM and the Internet. And there not coming back.

8. Wild 94.9 - not always, but often very good at what they do, with some good jocks from time to time.

Just a pack a gun when your forced to listen.

9. 95.7 The Wolf - I'm not a country music fan, but Entercom is working hard to make it an entertaining station.

I haven't listened hardly at all to terrestrial radio in the past few years...but hey...if they can do country right and bring it back like the KNEW days...more credit to them. It might be a real plus in SF radio.

10. K-Pig - streamed online. It would be great if this station had a local FM repeater.

The real topic or my reply to the topic is why do you have to depend on the transmitter when you can pick the stream. In your car if you like that stuff, that can be a pain, but it never brought in ratings. So find alternative gadgets. Plus they been doing this for the last 30 years. It's nothing new on the dial.

11. The Bone - not quite my type of music, either, but I get into it occasionally. They have some good live (or live sounding) jocks. I hear their play list is too small, but I don't listen often enough to know.

Don't like their tight playlist....KILL YOUR RADIO....there's other means.....plenty of them.

12. The Sunday Super Oldies Show on 98.1 Kiss FM. A break with the station's regular tight play list, some great soul songs you never hear anymore, and Tony Sandoval is a very good DJ.

I heard the show before....that's one of the better directions or adds that the local market has the guts to put on. But it's only on for a few hours to hear those.

13. The variety of music on the HD2 channels. I know nobody is listening yet, but I do...and I've heard a lot of interesting music that I hadn't heard before.

Throw your HD out.....it's not gonna make it. It's failing...that's why no ones listening.

So, pretty much you made a list of the same boring radio from the past 15 years. Nothing's really changed. A few format switches....but hey, I still get a much wider choice on the satellite and Internet.
Pinball anyone!
 
Sign of what times, Starbucks?

The sky has been falling for folk like you for those 15+ years, and here we are, still with terrestrial radio.

Yea, many if not most of the wounds on terrestrial radio are self inflicted, but that should tell you that the other forms of content delivery must be inadequate or falling short in not picking up/taking over for where radio has faltered.

And as another pointed out on this board, just because you and I may perceive something as bad or failure because we don't like it, doesn't make it so for others or make it a reality.


Oh man , another one.....another AM/FM apologist. Like i said...when something declines that's been around for centuries....most cases it doesn't dissapear in 5 minutes. Other new forms pick up , then slow down when the enthusiast and geeks and the fed ups..already made the change. And the average person who just wants to be entertained at the moment will move in that direction slowly. It mostly always happens that way. It's happened with cable and satellite TV and and it will happen with the internet and Satellite radio.
So hold on to your pinball machine for a few more years.
 
Starbucks

I am hardly an apologist, but all the excuses/reasons you gave about why radio/terrestrial radio is failing/bad/on the wane/ blowing up are all personal in choice and taste, nothing based in fact. And you didn't answer the question why, if the other forms are so good, why can't they truly dent radios presence, effectiveness, and reach?

If satellite is so good (full disclosure, I did a show for Sirius in 2004-2005), why is satellite's total audience just under the ADI of NYC? With 200+ million folk (assuming 100 million are too little/young yet to know how/understand) with the ability to listen all forms of entertainment/information in this country, 15-18 million listeners is very small between Sirius and XM...I'd say you are "propagandist" for alternative media, if you want to play the label game.

Pinball is a great game..."just because somethings old doesn't make it bad, just because somethings new, doesn't make it better".

I own an Ipod, but still listen to the radio, as do close to 70% of those who own Ipods, they may not listen to the radio for the same things or as long, but they listen.

This happened with TV: The 3 networks get the lions share of the audience, but not on the scale they did 20-30 years ago. I don't see local TV and network TV going away with all the cable channels, it just makes the "regular" channels have to be better. To which radio will have to do the same in regard to the competition of the newer technology.

I think you are caught up in the delivery of the content more than the content. I know you don't like much of what radio has to offer, but having worked satellite, internet, and terrestrial radio, I can tell you the content is not that much different. Satellite and Internet can take greater risks because their audience is smaller and unrated. If/when the day comes they become rated and have to maintain an audience instead of solely relaying on paid subscribers and site banner ads, you will see less risk, knowing there is competitive revenue at stake.

I say bring them all on, it will only force radio to get better.
 
I am hardly an apologist, but all the excuses/reasons you gave about why radio/terrestrial radio is failing/bad/on the wane/ blowing up are all personal in choice and taste, nothing based in fact. And you didn't answer the question why, if the other forms are so good, why can't they truly dent radios presence, effectiveness, and reach?

I did answer it the best way i can.....where i stated that (Other new forms pick up , then slow down when the enthusiast and geeks and the fed ups..already made the change. And the average person who just wants to be entertained at the moment will move in that direction slowly. ) I'll try to answer it further......number one...I'm a aware satellite sales and stocks has plummeted. Car sales, long trips are down. I use to own as many as 3 satellite receivers and a boom box. I'm now down to 1 radio and it's always in my car. With the price of gas currently at 4.57, I listen mostly to XM - on line. And like the rest of America....we cut down on driving, and no one is buying a car or truck to semi-live in.
Internet has risen as much as 60% and still less then 50% America has broadband. It has dented and hurt radio, their sales are down...i can even tell the types of commerecials I hear in drive time. And it's still hard to tell what the real results are....Talk is what's keeping radio alive. Music.....people are leaving droves just like their leaving the State of California....even though LA and the Bay Area are in the top 4 markets.


If satellite is so good (full disclosure, I did a show for Sirius in 2004-2005), why is satellite's total audience just under the ADI of NYC? With 200+ million folk (assuming 100 million are too little/young yet to know how/understand) with the ability to listen all forms of entertainment/information in this country, 15-18 million listeners is very small between Sirius and XM...I'd say you are "propagandist" for alternative media, if you want to play the label game.

I'm not propaganding anything...being an avid listener once to terrestrial....there is very little reason today why i want to listen. It was the same reason why I need to go to a video or music store when I can get my content at the tip of my fingers. And when some one like me feels little need when you once had to pry me out of there......eventually the rests follows I noticed.

Pinball is a great game..."just because somethings old doesn't make it bad, just because somethings new, doesn't make it better".

I'm not cutting pinball...but quit trying to dwelling on a dying medium. Eventually the un savvy listening audience will learn more about it....and will follow. Like I mention...really nothing happens the next day.


This happened with TV: The 3 networks get the lions share of the audience, but not on the scale they did 20-30 years ago. I don't see local TV and network TV going away with all the cable channels, it just makes the "regular" channels have to be better. To which radio will have to do the same in regard to the competition of the newer technology.

you kinda' answered your own question....where another medium example is driving themselves to their own deaths. Look what's on tonight....losing reality shows with second hand celebrities. Even the same shows in reruns back to back. What's on cable....it looks like a tight corporate oldies playlist of the same 300 songs. People are tuning out and even sites like HULU and VUDU are gaining even though they have alot to go.

I think you are caught up in the delivery of the content more than the content. I know you don't like much of what radio has to offer, but having worked satellite, internet, and terrestrial radio, I can tell you the content is not that much different. Satellite and Internet can take greater risks because their audience is smaller and unrated. If/when the day comes they become rated and have to maintain an audience instead of solely relaying on paid subscribers and site banner ads, you will see less risk, knowing there is competitive revenue at stake.


Wrong.....I'll put it simple...radio 25-54. Internet and satellite....2-65 plus. If Internet is ever rated....yes you will see some have to be competitive....but there's so much out there, that people will be streaming or listening for the fun of it. Who cares about the ratings and ads. I ran 2 Internet stations, and I had listeners mainly daytimers...and I had the same quality sound a like programming any terrestrial Rock or R&B station had on there (except the commercials). Ok... I obviously didin't have as many listeners as terrestrial...but who cares... i did it for the fun of it. i had a ball when I started it. And theirs over 100000 more like me out there.

I say bring them all on, it will only force radio to get better.

We been waitng for that for the past 15 years....and the American auto industry has been sleeping for the past 25 years before Chevy has been slowly starting to get it's act together. The Impala, and Malibu have been looking pretty decent lately. But with the gas and car sales crisis...in the next few years, it may be too late especially for Ford. Out of the list of stations I answered...it still sounds like the same corporate nonsense. There has been some improvements of wider playlists, the Jack format, the MY format...yes the have played some surprises in there....but when i hear a commercial or more between music....I feel offended. More and more of us are getting accustomed to the juke box effect with a few liners or breaks.

I 'm planning on placing a topic on the XM board which I feel will will get alot of answers to this thread. Once I get the time later, I'll place it on there which I feel it should be placed on there instead. I will say you came up with some challenging responses.
 
I appreciate the dialog Starbucks.

And though you say there are 100,000 more of you out there, I say they must not be as passionate, otherwise we would have this revolution against/death of radio that has been in waiting ever since the advent of another medium dating back to TV.

And at the rate of 100k (and I am being a bit literal) I don't think the 10's of millions of radio listeners and the millions of fans of terrestrial are too worried.

Yes radio has declined and it is their own fault in many ways, but it is free, omnipresent, and accessible to all, unlike Satellite where you have to pay and have extra equipment, and the Internet which is cost prohibitive as well. Until that changes, radio content can "afford" to be a bit bland. But responsible, caring, and intelligent terrestrial radio folk, knowing the inherent advantages they have will not let the product they control get stale and irrelevant. Hopefully the rest of the medium will follow their lead.
 
I got alittle crazy with my finger there.... I meant 10000. Yes I heard the phrase television will kill radio back in 52'....but there was alot of things radio can perform that TV couldn't. It's called Contemporary. Now TV , along with cell phones and everything else can deliver what radio can. We've discussed this down this road before.
Internet will be more and more accessible with each month that goes by. The receivers are looking like portable radios of the 70's everyday. I'm listening to my XM radio online as I am writing this post to you. It took me maybe 23 seconds to tune to the 80's channel. Then if radio continues with it's 10 minutes spot loads and corporate playlists...it's fate will eventually catch up to it just like Ed McMahon's budget.
And it seems our countries sources continue to be driven into the ground with no sight of any oil....radio will be part of the demise of this country....because they been letting it.
 
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