"Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

[GridLeakBias]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Please Come To Boston - Dave Loggins
Tucumcari (nm) - Jimmie Rodgers
El Paso City - Marty Robbins (1978,#1 CW)San Antonio Nights - Eddy Raven

He had "El Paso" and "El Paso City"! 8) ;D

Trivia :"El Paso" by Marty Robbins was the first #1 of the 60's....making "Why" - Frankie Avalon the last #1 of the 50's. "Someday We'll Be Together" - Supremes was the last #1 of the 60's. This is how they are listed on the Billboard Charts, the chronological dates are slightly overlapping, but the charts are final.

Billboard Hot 100 shows “Why” (Frankie Avalon) at the number one position on Dec 28, ’59. “El Paso” (Marty Robbins) reached number one on Jan 4, ’60.

I don’t mean to sound controversial, but with tongue in cheek and the dates given, I would say that “Why” was the last #1 of the 50s and the first #1 of the 60s, through Jan 3.

Please forgive me if I’m picking too many nits.

 

[radioman148]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Please Come To Boston - Dave Loggins
Tucumcari (nm) - Jimmie Rodgers
El Paso City - Marty Robbins (1978,#1 CW)San Antonio Nights - Eddy Raven

He had "El Paso" and "El Paso City"! 8) ;D

Trivia :"El Paso" by Marty Robbins was the first #1 of the 60's....making "Why" - Frankie Avalon the last #1 of the 50's. "Someday We'll Be Together" - Supremes was the last #1 of the 60's. This is how they are listed on the Billboard Charts, the chronological dates are slightly overlapping, but the charts are final.

Billboard Hot 100 shows “Why” (Frankie Avalon) at the number one position on Dec 28, ’59. “El Paso” (Marty Robbins) reached number one on Jan 4, ’60.

I don’t mean to sound controversial, but with tongue in cheek and the dates given, I would say that “Why” was the last #1 of the 50s and the first #1 of the 60s, through Jan 3.

Please forgive me if I’m picking too many nits.

Billboard can get quite confusing with that kind of stuff. For example they (Billboard) lists "Go Away Little Girl" as the first number 1 for 1963, but in reality "Telstar" which was number 1 the last week of 62, was still number 1 the first week of January 63.
On the other hand Cashbox listed "Telstar" as number 1 for the first week of 63 and "Go Away Little Girl" was the second number 1 of 1963.

Whew--I'm tired ;D

 

[GridLeakBias]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Please Come To Boston - Dave Loggins
Tucumcari (nm) - Jimmie Rodgers
El Paso City - Marty Robbins (1978,#1 CW)San Antonio Nights - Eddy Raven

He had "El Paso" and "El Paso City"! 8) ;D

Trivia :"El Paso" by Marty Robbins was the first #1 of the 60's....making "Why" - Frankie Avalon the last #1 of the 50's. "Someday We'll Be Together" - Supremes was the last #1 of the 60's. This is how they are listed on the Billboard Charts, the chronological dates are slightly overlapping, but the charts are final.

Billboard Hot 100 shows “Why” (Frankie Avalon) at the number one position on Dec 28, ’59. “El Paso” (Marty Robbins) reached number one on Jan 4, ’60.

I don’t mean to sound controversial, but with tongue in cheek and the dates given, I would say that “Why” was the last #1 of the 50s and the first #1 of the 60s, through Jan 3.

Please forgive me if I’m picking too many nits.

Billboard can get quite confusing with that kind of stuff. For example they (Billboard) lists "Go Away Little Girl" as the first number 1 for 1963, but in reality "Telstar" which was number 1 the last week of 62, was still number 1 the first week of January 63.
On the other hand Cashbox listed "Telstar" as number 1 for the first week of 63 and "Go Away Little Girl" was the second number 1 of 1963.

Whew--I'm tired ;D

Tired you say? Controversy in the field of music never lets up. Regional hits vs national hits, east coast vs west coast, Detroit vs Philly, Doo-wop vs R&R, and the most mind bending: Drifters personnel on any given date...

Tiring yes, but we love it, no?

 

[firepoint525]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Typically, whatever is #1 on the last week of December is considered the last #1 of that given year. Then whatever (eventually) replaces it is considered the first new #1 of the new year. For instance, in 1966, "I'm A Believer" by the Monkees was #1 for the week of December 31, 1966, but it stayed on top for seven weeks, making "Kind of a Drag" by the Buckinghams the first new #1 of 1967, although it didn't take over at the top until the week of February 18, 1967.

If any of this is confusing to you, don't even bother with the charts since Soundscan/BDS took over! : Songs routinely stay at #1 for three months, so the last #1 of any given year might take over the top spot in October, and the first new #1 of the new year might not come until March!!

 

[radioman148]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Please Come To Boston - Dave Loggins
Tucumcari (nm) - Jimmie Rodgers
El Paso City - Marty Robbins (1978,#1 CW)San Antonio Nights - Eddy Raven

He had "El Paso" and "El Paso City"! 8) ;D

Trivia :"El Paso" by Marty Robbins was the first #1 of the 60's....making "Why" - Frankie Avalon the last #1 of the 50's. "Someday We'll Be Together" - Supremes was the last #1 of the 60's. This is how they are listed on the Billboard Charts, the chronological dates are slightly overlapping, but the charts are final.

Billboard Hot 100 shows “Why” (Frankie Avalon) at the number one position on Dec 28, ’59. “El Paso” (Marty Robbins) reached number one on Jan 4, ’60.

I don’t mean to sound controversial, but with tongue in cheek and the dates given, I would say that “Why” was the last #1 of the 50s and the first #1 of the 60s, through Jan 3.

Please forgive me if I’m picking too many nits.

Billboard can get quite confusing with that kind of stuff. For example they (Billboard) lists "Go Away Little Girl" as the first number 1 for 1963, but in reality "Telstar" which was number 1 the last week of 62, was still number 1 the first week of January 63.
On the other hand Cashbox listed "Telstar" as number 1 for the first week of 63 and "Go Away Little Girl" was the second number 1 of 1963.

Whew--I'm tired ;D

Tired you say? Controversy in the field of music never lets up. Regional hits vs national hits, east coast vs west coast, Detroit vs Philly, Doo-wop vs R&R, and the most mind bending: Drifters personnel on any given date...

Tiring yes, but we love it, no?

We love it--YES!! ;D

 

[radioman148]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Typically, whatever is #1 on the last week of December is considered the last #1 of that given year. Then whatever (eventually) replaces it is considered the first new #1 of the new year. For instance, in 1966, "I'm A Believer" by the Monkees was #1 for the week of December 31, 1966, but it stayed on top for seven weeks, making "Kind of a Drag" by the Buckinghams the first new #1 of 1967, although it didn't take over at the top until the week of February 18, 1967.

If any of this is confusing to you, don't even bother with the charts since Soundscan/BDS took over! : Songs routinely stay at #1 for three months, so the last #1 of any given year might take over the top spot in October, and the first new #1 of the new year might not come until March!!

Regarding "I'm A Believer" it was number one in late Dec 66 and all of Jan 67 on WLS in Chicago. However, if you look at the WLS Top 40 for 1967, it's not even listed and it was number one for an entire month that year.

 

[firepoint525]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Typically, whatever is #1 on the last week of December is considered the last #1 of that given year. Then whatever (eventually) replaces it is considered the first new #1 of the new year. For instance, in 1966, "I'm A Believer" by the Monkees was #1 for the week of December 31, 1966, but it stayed on top for seven weeks, making "Kind of a Drag" by the Buckinghams the first new #1 of 1967, although it didn't take over at the top until the week of February 18, 1967.

If any of this is confusing to you, don't even bother with the charts since Soundscan/BDS took over! : Songs routinely stay at #1 for three months, so the last #1 of any given year might take over the top spot in October, and the first new #1 of the new year might not come until March!!

Regarding "I'm A Believer" it was number one in late Dec 66 and all of Jan 67 on WLS in Chicago. However, if you look at the WLS Top 40 for 1967, it's not even listed and it was number one for an entire month that year.

When is their "cutoff" date for what defines a "chart year" for them? For Billboard, it was November through October, then they revised it for December through the end of November. This way, songs that were currently in the top 10 did not make Billboard's year-end survey until the end of the following year, allowing them time to run their course.

I have two (seemingly opposite) frustrations with this policy: in the '70s, Steve Miller's "Rock'n Me" did not show up in the year-end surveys of either 1976 or 1977! ??? This despite being #1 the week of November 6, 1976. (The cutoff date at that time was the end of October.)

Then in the '80s, there were several years in a row when the #1 hit of the entire year was something that had been #1 in December of the previous year! At the very least, it seems to me that the #1 song of any given year should have reached its peak position during that same calendar year, regardless of when the actual cutoff date was!

 

[firepoint525]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Since I don't want this to go too far off-topic, I will offer some more suggestions while all of you chew on what I just posted.

How about specific places, like buildings, or whatever:

"Winchester Cathedral," New Vaudeville Band
"Graceland," Paul Simon
"Cherry Hill Park," Billy Joe Royal
and the Beatles' double-sided single of "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane."

 

[Silkie]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

"Theme From A Summer Place" - Percy Faith - lasted nine weeks at the top in 1960.

 

[radioman148]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

>>When is their "cutoff" date for what defines a "chart year" for them? For Billboard, it was November through October, then they revised it for December through the end of November. >>

If Billboard's cutoff date was November, shouldn't "I'm A Believer" have been a hit in 67 instead of 66?
As far as WLS was concerned I have no idea what their date was, but the fact that "I'm A Believer" was number 1 for 5 weeks in 67, but doesn't make their 67 chart makes no sense to me.

 

[radioman148]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Since I don't want this to go too far off-topic, I will offer some more suggestions while all of you chew on what I just posted.

How about specific places, like buildings, or whatever:

"Winchester Cathedral," New Vaudeville Band
"Graceland," Paul Simon
"Cherry Hill Park," Billy Joe Royal
and the Beatles' double-sided single of "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane."

"MacArthur Park"--Richard Harris
"Creeque Alley--Mamas & Papas

 

[Silkie]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Since I don't want this to go too far off-topic, I will offer some more suggestions while all of you chew on what I just posted.

How about specific places, like buildings, or whatever:

"Winchester Cathedral," New Vaudeville Band
"Graceland," Paul Simon
"Cherry Hill Park," Billy Joe Royal
and the Beatles' double-sided single of "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane."

"MacArthur Park"--Richard Harris
"Creeque Alley--Mamas & Papas

Cracker Box Palace - George Harrison

 

[GridLeakBias]

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Typically, whatever is #1 on the last week of December is considered the last #1 of that given year. Then whatever (eventually) replaces it is considered the first new #1 of the new year.

Thanks Fire – I sorta knew the truth to the charts. As you can see by reviewing my post, it was made “with tongue in cheek”, meant as a segue for additional dialogue. It worked.

 

[JustPastBuffalo]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

"Rock n Roll Girls" -John Fogerty from the "Centerfield" LP, "If I had my way / I'd shuffle off to Buffalo / Sit by the lake / and watchg the world go by."

"Night Train" -James Brown, Detroit, LA and multiple cities

Heaven, Hell or Houston -ZZ Top from the Deguello LP

Hungry Heart -Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band from The River LP "Left my wife and kids in Baltimore, Jack / I went out one day and I never came back..."

 

[GridLeakBias]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Since I don't want this to go too far off-topic, I will offer some more suggestions while all of you chew on what I just posted.

How about specific places, like buildings, or whatever:

"Winchester Cathedral," New Vaudeville Band
"Graceland," Paul Simon
"Cherry Hill Park," Billy Joe Royal
and the Beatles' double-sided single of "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane."

Or a specific thing, such as the theme of this thread, Route 66? Route 66 covers a lot of territory from Chicago to L.A., and without listing the cities and towns the song mentions, there are some prominent place names on Route 66 but not mentioned in the song, such as: Joliet, Tulsa, Joplin, Springfield, Santa Rosa, Albuquerque, Holbrook, Winslow and Victorville.

The place name Albuquerque is pretty difficult, if not impossible, to work into the metre or phrasing of a song. However it did work for Bugs Bunny in one of his cartoons. <smile>

 

[firepoint525]

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If Billboard's cutoff date was November, shouldn't "I'm A Believer" have been a hit in 67 instead of 66?

That cutoff date that I gave is for the '70s. I have no idea what it was for the '60s, because I was three years old when "I'm a Believer" was a hit.

But you are correct. Since six of the seven weeks that it was #1 were in 1967 (and since that first week was the last week of December, 1966), it would definitely qualify for 1967, and with its lengthy run at the top, it would be a likely candidate for #1 single of the entire year!

As far as WLS was concerned I have no idea what their date was, but the fact that "I'm A Believer" was number 1 for 5 weeks in 67, but doesn't make their 67 chart makes no sense to me.

It is possible that they intentionally left it off because they thought the Monkees had run their course by the end of '67, but since "Daydream Believer" was #1 toward the end of 1967, that scenario seems unlikely.

It is possible that an incompetent program director compiled the chart, or that they had a new program director who compiled the data differently. But since cutoff dates tend to be toward the end of a year rather than right after the first of the year, that would seem to work in favor of "I'm A Believer" making the year-end survey, not against it.

How deep was their year-end chart? How many positions did they count down?

 

[firepoint525]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

Since I don't want this to go too far off-topic, I will offer some more suggestions while all of you chew on what I just posted.

How about specific places, like buildings, or whatever:

"Winchester Cathedral," New Vaudeville Band
"Graceland," Paul Simon
"Cherry Hill Park," Billy Joe Royal
and the Beatles' double-sided single of "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane."

Or a specific thing, such as the theme of this thread, Route 66? Route 66 covers a lot of territory from Chicago to L.A., and without listing the cities and towns the song mentions, there are some prominent place names on Route 66 but not mentioned in the song, such as: Joliet, Tulsa, Joplin, Springfield, Santa Rosa, Albuquerque, Holbrook, Winslow and Victorville.

The place name Albuquerque is pretty difficult, if not impossible, to work into the metre or phrasing of a song. However it did work for Bugs Bunny in one of his cartoons. <smile>

I thought Winslow got a mention in the song? ???

At any rate, a couple of interesting tidbits about Route 66: in Illinois, it parallels Interstate 55, while from Oklahoma City westward, it parallels Interstate 40. Both interstates pass through Memphis, although they actually intersect in West Memphis, Arkansas. (I'm not sure how they explained having an even-numbered highway paralleling an odd-numbered interstate, but that's the way it was done in Illinois!)

 

[firepoint525]

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Bob Seger had several tunes: "Fire Lake," "Katmandu," and "Miami," in addition to the previously mentioned "Nutbush City Limits."

The Beach Boys had "In My Room," which is obviously a different room for each of us! ;D

 

[MsMusicRadio]

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Luckinbach Texas

A pawnshop on the corner in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania

Good-bye Columbus

Tampa Turn-around

Sweet Virginia Breeze-----Bruce Hornsby

Allentown--Billy Joel

Allegheny Moon-------Patti Page

I Love LA------Randy Neumann

New York, New York--------A chorus line of New York Yankees from 1978 I believe.

Detroit City

Four dead in O-H-I-O

Kansas City-----Wilbur Harrison

Get Back Loretta-----mentions Phoenix Arizona

Streets of Laredo

Do you know the way to San Jose?

 

[radioman148]

Re: "Kicks on Route 66" - songs with city titles. Fantasy weekend programming

If Billboard's cutoff date was November, shouldn't "I'm A Believer" have been a hit in 67 instead of 66?

That cutoff date that I gave is for the '70s. I have no idea what it was for the '60s, because I was three years old when "I'm a Believer" was a hit.

But you are correct. Since six of the seven weeks that it was #1 were in 1967 (and since that first week was the last week of December, 1966), it would definitely qualify for 1967, and with its lengthy run at the top, it would be a likely candidate for #1 single of the entire year!

As far as WLS was concerned I have no idea what their date was, but the fact that "I'm A Believer" was number 1 for 5 weeks in 67, but doesn't make their 67 chart makes no sense to me.

It is possible that they intentionally left it off because they thought the Monkees had run their course by the end of '67, but since "Daydream Believer" was #1 toward the end of 1967, that scenario seems unlikely.

It is possible that an incompetent program director compiled the chart, or that they had a new program director who compiled the data differently. But since cutoff dates tend to be toward the end of a year rather than right after the first of the year, that would seem to work in favor of "I'm A Believer" making the year-end survey, not against it.

How deep was their year-end chart? How many positions did they count down?

Daydream Believer & A Little Bit Me A Little Bit You were also number one on WLS that year.
Their year end chart had 89 positions "The Big 89" stood for WLS' dial position.
My guess is the incompetant PD or maybe he thought what was good enough for Billboard was good enough for the station. Who knows?