Kimmel moving to 11:35/10:35

[nickp]

Nightline has been going downhill for years

 

[Nate Wesley]

I can even see TBS move Conan O'Brien back a half-hour so his show also begins at 11:30.

Why in the world would TBS do something as useless at that?

 

[radiojomo]

I think ABC is hoping he will be the last man standing when Leno and Letterman are gone. I also think they hope viewers will stay in the habit of watching the ABC affiliate after the news. It's a good plan that keeps nightline on the air.

More like ABC wants an edge over Fallon and Ferguson when Leno and Letterman retire and they take over 11:35.
Nightline is a news show, so naturally it has a relatively old base audience. Even if Kimmel can't win in overall numbers, he should be able to make more money by bringing in a stronger, younger demo than Leno or Letterman, translating into dollars.

 

[DToTheJ]

This may be the biggest mistake ABC has made since scheduling the infamous "Turn-On".

Oh, for crying out loud. It's not as if no other sources for this kind of content exist on television. We've got many 24-hour cable news and opinion channels, plus, the Internet. Face it, "Nightline" has outlived its initial purpose when it went on the air three decades ago. Such a move was bound to happen - I'm surprised it took until 2012 for it to happen.

 

[only1moore]

I don't think the move will affect the ABC affils who delay "Kimmel" or "Nightline," since they will probably continue to let the stations stick with their current schedule, so don't count on seeing WISN or KITV cutting back on their hour long 10PM newscasts anytime soon.

 

[bpatrick]

I have serious doubts about the possibility that six talk
shows can go head-to-head and survive. If you're old
enough to remember the 1969-72 period, when Joey Bishop
and then Dick Cavett aired on ABC, Merv Griffin on CBS, and
Johnny Carson on NBC, all in the 11:30 PM-1 AM (ET) slot,
only Carson was left standing when the smoke cleared. And
that was just three shows. I'll go with Leno and Letterman
to win this showdown, if only from viewer habit at 11:35.

 

[editthis]

Hopefully this means Jimmy will go back to doing 5 shows a week instead of re-run Fridays.

 

[Nate Wesley]

From the NYTimes article:

ABC’s management has for years tried to replace that program with an entertainment show because of the possibility to increase revenue in the time period.

The rea$on clear to me!

Media Life Magazine has a breakdown of some financial numbers:
http://www.medialifemagazine.com/what-abc-will-gain-from-kimmel-move/

I'll spoil a smart observation from the end of the article, one that has less to do with money: Both Leno & Letterman might want to retire within the next few years.

 

[ajc_trw]

I have serious doubts about the possibility that six talk shows can go head-to-head and survive.

Maybe I'm missing something but what are these six talk shows? I know about Letterman & Leno at 11:35 and that Jimmy would be the third but who are the other three? Are you counting Conan in this?

Thanks.

 

[crainbebo]

Letterman, Leno, J. Fallon, J. Kimmel, Ferguson, Conan O'Brien. That makes six.

-crainbebo

 

[adam95]

Actually, the six were Letterman, Leno, Kimmel, Conan, Colbert and Arsenio (his show debuts fall 2013)

 

[TroyG]

ABC's San Antonio affiliate K-SAT 12 also carries its hourlong newscast at 10PM, and I think K-SAT might trim it to accommodate Kimmel's move from 11:05 PM to 10:35 PM.

 

[Braves2005]

ABC's San Antonio affiliate K-SAT 12 also carries its hourlong newscast at 10PM, and I think K-SAT might trim it to accommodate Kimmel's move from 11:05 PM to 10:35 PM.

Or KSAT pulls a KENS and decides to delay Kimmel's show to 11:05 like KENS did with Letterman when they aired reruns of "Cheers" and "Friends" at 10:35 and Letterman at 11:05 for years and years before deciding to put Letterman at its usual time of 10:35 a couple of years ago.

 

[WMC2006]

I have serious doubts about the possibility that six talk
shows can go head-to-head and survive. If you're old
enough to remember the 1969-72 period, when Joey Bishop
and then Dick Cavett aired on ABC, Merv Griffin on CBS, and
Johnny Carson on NBC, all in the 11:30 PM-1 AM (ET) slot,
only Carson was left standing when the smoke cleared. And
that was just three shows. I'll go with Leno and Letterman
to win this showdown, if only from viewer habit at 11:35.

In the early 90s, we had Carson on NBC (and then Leno), Arsenio in syndication, Pat Sajak in syndication and Dennis Miller in syndication all competing for guests. The Dennis Miller Show lasted about 6-8 months in 1992. The Pat Sajak Show ran for about 15 months in 89-90. It started out as a 90 minute show, eventually going to 60 minutes. Arsenio ran for 5-plus years, eventually losing alot of affiliates that picked up CBS's Late Show With David Letterman in 1993. If I recall correctly, of those 4, Arsenio ran 11pm to midnight here in the Boston market. Miller's show may also have had an 11pm start time here. I can't remember fopr sure but I do recall doing a lot of channel flipping back then.

 

[SteveRichards]

Pat Sajak in syndication

Sajak's show was on CBS.

 

[Poledo]

Didn't Joan Rivers have a late night show on Fox back when the network launched or was that actually in syndication (Fox was picked up by an indie station down here so I guess Rivers could have been a syndicated show left over from the pre-Fox days)? I thought Joan Rivers was replaced by Arsenio after a few years and a few years later Arsenio went away. This was before Letterman moved to CBS so at the time the only late night competition to Carson was Joan Rivers on Fox.

How bad is my memory here?

Is Conan getting any decent viewership on TBS? I used to watch his monolog on NBC a couple times a week. I don't watch any shows on TBS and even have it "hidden" in my on screen guide. I've only seen a few short bits since he moved to TBS. Is Conan big enough to even be on the radar of the OTA networks when trying to select programs to show in the same time slot?

 

[KML0224]

Joan Rivers' show was the first show for FOX in October of 1986. Funny how FOX glossed over that when they did their 25th Anniversary show this past April, implying that they started on April 5, 1987, the night Married...With Children and The Tracey Ullman Show premiered. Arsenio Hall did host the show for a 13-week period, but couldn't commit beyond that due to him filming Coming To America with Eddie Murphy. His own show was syndicated by Paramount from 1989 to 1994.

Late Show With David Letterman premiered on CBS Monday, August 30, 1993.

As for Conan on TBS, I usually watch his show, but it's not the same as when he was on NBC at 12:35 AM ET. His monlogue is usually good and bits with one of his writers (Deon Cole) or a prop guy (Bill Tull), along with anything with Triumph The Insult Comic Dog are sport-on. However, he only does 4 shows a week and had repeats last week and this week.

As it relates to Jimmy Kimmel Live!, I almost never watch that show. The last time I bothered way in the first week of May. I don't watch a single program on ABC at all.

 

[rgseark2009]

KATV (Little Rock AR) via their FB page chimed in on the discussion and sure enough will continue to air silly sitcoms (According To Jim in glorious Standard Definition) at 10:35-11:05pm CT and delay ABC programming as they have always. KATV (along with other Albritton stations) refused to clear Kimmel at the time he debuted (Kimmel was carried on what was the WB affiliate, the former KWBF--now KARZ). On very rare occasions, when there was a story of local interest would KATV air Nightline in pattern.

 

[bpatrick]

IIRC, Jay Leno became Carson's permanent substitute host
when Joan Rivers bolted to Fox. Johnny never forgave her
for that.

As for the comparison between the early '70s and the early
'90s, note that in the early '90s only two of the four shows
could be considered successes: Carson/Leno and Arsenio.
In the early '70s only Carson survived; Merv went back into
daytime or (in some larger markets) primetime syndication, where
he thrived; Cavett eventually went to PBS. So: one out of three
in the '70s, two out of four in the '90s, and you've buttressed my
belief that probably no more than two of the six shows going against
each other this fall will stick in their timeslots (OK, maybe three, since
Conan is reasonably established on TBS). That's not to say that Kimmel
will get canceled, but I do think he'll be back at 12:05 within a year.

 

[WMC2006]

Pat Sajak in syndication

Sajak's show was on CBS.

I KNEW that! It was even in the back of my mind as I was typing my previous response. Dammit! :-[