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Kimmel moving to 11:35/10:35

ajc_trw said:
For me it would be a bad move because I like monologues and funny parts while the guests leave me to turn the channel...

First guest comes on, switch over. :)
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I also skip the guests because they're the usual Hollywood actors and actresses I don't care for. As for music, political, or other guests it depends.

Kimmel's show is okay from what I've seen before. However, Ferguson is still my go-to for OTA late night show at this point despite the goofy censorship flags over people's mouths.
 
Wow! It's hard to believe that I was remembering the Joan Rivers show from the mid 1980's. Dang.
I don't think anyone has posted in this thread that the only reason ABC affiliates don't want to clear Kimmel earlier is that they'll lose advertising time and revenue.
Our local CBS didn't clear Letterman at 10:30 for a while for the same reason. ... and Kimmel is not on the same level that Letterman is.
 
I would imagine the ABC affiliates have a lot of mixed feelings about this. ABC's long-term goal of getting Kimmel set up to be the established 11:35/10:35 show when Letterman and Leno retire, in many cases, will not match up with the affiliates' short-term profit goals. Some ABC affiliates like having "Nightline" right after their local news because they feel it compliments their news. Add to that, "Nightline" has done pretty well in the ratings in recent years. On the other hand, there are still a handful of stations that delay "Nightline" (and Kimmel) by 30 or 60 minutes so they can plug in syndicated shows and sell most of the commercial time locally. It doesn't necessarily matter if those stations win the time slot locally, but they make a nice profit from all the local revenue.

That said, I think ABC will have to do some serious arm-twisting to get those stations not already clearing the network in pattern at 11:35/10:35 to do so. For one thing, the switch will happen in January. Most stations will be in the middle of their syndication deals and it would be tough for them to shift shows around even if they wanted to. A switch in the fall (say in a year) when syndication deals are up would potentially get ABC a little more leverage. However, if Kimmel really flies at 11:35/10:35 in January, some of those stations not airing the network in pattern might be more inclined to do so come next fall. In reality, I'm pretty sure Kimmel will rank third behind Leno and Letterman, and those affiliates delaying ABC late-night programming will continue to do so.

As far as "Nightline" goes, I think the switch to 12:35/11:35 will be the beginning of the end of the show. The older folks who currently watch "Nightline after their local news won't stay up an extra hour (let alone sit through Kimmel) to watch it. In most cases, I doubt the content of most "Nightline" shows would be compelling enough to see a lot of DVR action. I would imagine the higher ups at ABC are already knocking around in the back of their heads what kind of show they will put on after Kimmel when "Nightline" bites the dust. I guess if Kimmel and "Nightline" both do really poorly in their new time periods, ABC could pull an NBC and put the shows back in their old slots.
 
It should also be kept in mind that you're comparing apples to oranges when comparing Nightline's numbers to Letterman/Leno. The late night talk shows are 60 minutes in length and the numbers reflect that, including the second half hour when numbers traditionally drop off quickly (following the traditional "comedy" portions of the shows). Nightline has 25 minutes, and is out by midnight. You take the first 25 minutes of Leno or Letterman and you have a different picture altogether.

I agree with the posters that have said ABC is setting him up to be the "go to" when Leno and Letterman step down. He's the youngest of the three right now, and his show is innovative. It's not always Hollywood stars - he welcomes the Scrabble playing champs, the Spelling Bee champs, and has a great setup for his musical guests. I never choose him over Letterman, but I will DVR his show much more frequently than Leno. He may have the 11:30 younger demo growth potential in a better position than either network competitor in the short term, and he might be the most well positioned to win once the other big 2 step down in the future.
 
bpatrick said:
IIRC, Jay Leno became Carson's permanent substitute host when Joan Rivers bolted to Fox. Johnny never forgave her for that.
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I was thinking that Garry Shandling at least briefly became the "permanent guest host" after Rivers left, and before Leno took over. But that might have been short-lived because he had It's Garry Shandling's Show on Sunday nights (on Fox, I believe) not long after that.
 
poledo said:
Didn't Joan Rivers have a late night show on Fox back when the network launched or was that actually in syndication (Fox was picked up by an indie station down here so I guess Rivers could have been a syndicated show left over from the pre-Fox days)? I thought Joan Rivers was replaced by Arsenio after a few years and a few years later Arsenio went away. This was before Letterman moved to CBS so at the time the only late night competition to Carson was Joan Rivers on Fox.
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As others have said here, I believe Joan went directly to Fox after leaving Johnny Carson. I don't recall any Rivers syndicated talk show about that time. (Although it is possible that Arsenio's own talk show eventually inherited Rivers' late-night slot on most Fox stations. It did on KBSI-23 in Cape Girardeau, the nearest Fox affiliate to where I lived at the time.)

Interesting to note that Fox not only glossed over Rivers' talk show in their 25th anniversary special, it wasn't even called "Fox" yet at the time Rivers started with them. You can see footage of Rivers joining Fox with an "FBC" logo present. They apparently didn't start calling themselves "Fox" until about a year later.
 
Joan Rivers did have a syndicated daytime talk show, from 1989 to 1993, and it was produced and syndicated by Tribune. Her show often ran in-tandem with Geraldo Rivera's on many stations, including on WGN, KCBS, and I believe even on WCBS.
 
Now that most network TV affiliates control more than one channel or OTA program stream (sub channels) in each DMA it might be smart for ABC to allow or even encourage affiliates that DON'T clear Kimmel at the regular 11:30/10:30 time slot to show it on their secondary station at 11:30/10:30 and the replay the show on ABC later at night like they are doing now.

In case that doesn't make sense I'll throw out the example of WEAR ABC 3 in Mobile/Pensacola. WEAR could continue delaying Kimmel for an hour but also show Kimmel at 10:30 central on duopoly sister station WFGX My 35. At least that would establish Kimmel as an alternative to Letterman and Leno and have him in the right time slot when Letterman and/or Leno retire. WEAR wouldn't loose any revenue from commercials during the 10:30-11:30 hour and ABC would get Kimmel live in the correct time slot in DMA 60 something. If Kimmel ever gets popular enough to deserve the 10:30 time slot on WEAR ABC 3 they could move things around. Win win.
 
^If WFGX-TV were to broadcast "Jimmy Kimmel Live" shortly before WEAR-TV, I hope by that time WFGX-TV would be broadcasting ThisTV network programming full time on a digital sub-channel rather than part time on their main channel unless another station in the Mobile, Alabama-Pensacola, Florida TV market were to become an affiliate of ThisTV. The idea of WFGX-TV broadcasting "Jimmy Kimmel Live" reminds me of WJTC-TV broadcasting CBS game shows such as "The $25,000 Pyramid", "Family Feud", and "Wheel of Fortune" (all network versions) for the area instead of WKRG-TV, the local CBS station, which used to broadcast syndicated programs in place of those game shows. 
 
Mario-500 said:
The idea of WFGX-TV broadcasting "Jimmy Kimmel Live" reminds me of WJTC-TV broadcasting CBS game shows such as "The $25,000 Pyramid", "Family Feud", and "Wheel of Fortune" (all network versions) for the area instead of WKRG-TV, the local CBS station, which used to broadcast syndicated programs in place of those game shows.
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Man, that was like 25 years ago... how (or why) do you remember that? ... and the arrangement worked out well for everyone. WKRG had the time to show popular syndicated TV shows and the little indie that could found 1-2 hours of cheap (or free), well produced, programming to show in the morning. In the end all the TV shows were available to viewers with no blackouts.

I've got THIS TV at my house near Tallahassee. We aren't missing much with the split My/This schedule WFGX is running... and since Dish/Direc/Uverse are all balking at the idea of carrying sub channels (it appears Cable Co's are warming up to the idea around here though), I'd guess 25-40% of the folks in the DMA wouldn't be able to see "THIS" programming at all if WFGX split the feeds.
 
^I cannot recall witnessing WJTC-TV's broadcasts of those programs (I was very young), I was just recalling them from my research of the history of the Mobile, Alabama-Pensacola, Florida TV market.
 
SteveRichards said:
I would imagine the ABC affiliates have a lot of mixed feelings about this. ABC's long-term goal of getting Kimmel set up to be the established 11:35/10:35 show when Letterman and Leno retire, in many cases, will not match up with the affiliates' short-term profit goals. Some ABC affiliates like having "Nightline" right after their local news because they feel it compliments their news. Add to that, "Nightline" has done pretty well in the ratings in recent years. On the other hand, there are still a handful of stations that delay "Nightline" (and Kimmel) by 30 or 60 minutes so they can plug in syndicated shows and sell most of the commercial time locally. It doesn't necessarily matter if those stations win the time slot locally, but they make a nice profit from all the local revenue.

That said, I think ABC will have to do some serious arm-twisting to get those stations not already clearing the network in pattern at 11:35/10:35 to do so. For one thing, the switch will happen in January. Most stations will be in the middle of their syndication deals and it would be tough for them to shift shows around even if they wanted to. A switch in the fall (say in a year) when syndication deals are up would potentially get ABC a little more leverage. However, if Kimmel really flies at 11:35/10:35 in January, some of those stations not airing the network in pattern might be more inclined to do so come next fall. In reality, I'm pretty sure Kimmel will rank third behind Leno and Letterman, and those affiliates delaying ABC late-night programming will continue to do so.

As far as "Nightline" goes, I think the switch to 12:35/11:35 will be the beginning of the end of the show. The older folks who currently watch "Nightline after their local news won't stay up an extra hour (let alone sit through Kimmel) to watch it. In most cases, I doubt the content of most "Nightline" shows would be compelling enough to see a lot of DVR action. I would imagine the higher ups at ABC are already knocking around in the back of their heads what kind of show they will put on after Kimmel when "Nightline" bites the dust. I guess if Kimmel and "Nightline" both do really poorly in their new time periods, ABC could pull an NBC and put the shows back in their old slots.
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Would the stations that delay Nightline be mainly in Central/Mountain Time zones? I think as long as the major markets are covered, Chicago and Houston which are O&O anyways, and Dallas, and others in the top 30, it shouldn't matter as much after that. Even if many in those time zones still delay it, it might be a net gain for ABC anyways.

Anyways, ABC gave the affiliates a bone by decreasing the daytime schedule by one hour so it can use that as leverage.

Kimmel will likely do fine. 'Nightline' at 12:35 probably won't last and will likely be a once a week Friday primetime program in a year. ABC will likely try to replace it with another talk/variety show. I'm sure some of the affiliates like the O&Os will also run a 'Katie' rerun like how Oprah's show was rebroadcast after midnight in many markets.
 
For stations that delay Nightline and Kimmel already, could it be possible that another problem that may come up? Could they continue to show local programs at 11:35, pick up Nightline live at 12:35, and delay Kimmel until 1:05, which would in effect be no change at all, or to push them back even further?

ABC needs to at least make their stations carry Kimmel and Nightline in order, even if they delay it.
 
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