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KKSF joining a band?

radio dx said:
Are you tired of "The band"? I know I am. Once again it's the same old
"Classic Rock" format no matter what they call it! I still give it till the end of the year at best!
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Give 'em a chance to hire a program director, then give that person a chance. There are several outstanding candidates out there, and until CC hires somebody, you can't really judge the station.

(Of course, don't you usually hire the PD, then blow up thew old format, and have the new one ready to go?)
 
BossRadioDJ said:
radio dx said:
Are you tired of "The band"? I know I am. Once again it's the same old
"Classic Rock" format no matter what they call it! I still give it till the end of the year at best!
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Give 'em a chance to hire a program director, then give that person a chance. There are several outstanding candidates out there, and until CC hires somebody, you can't really judge the station.

(Of course, don't you usually hire the PD, then blow up thew old format, and have the new one ready to go?)
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I believe Michael Erickson was in charge of the format-flip. The KKSF website lists him as PD. Even if classic rock is not exactly his field, he's an experienced guy. So it's not as if nobody was in charge of the flip to The Band. He's probably multi-tasking, and wants a new PD with more classic rock expertise.

I'm finding the station boring, too. I think we have to face the possibility that all this great old music (Classic Hits, Classic Rock, Oldies) have been waaaayyy over-played for decades now, and there's just no way that radio junkies (who listen a lot) are going to be satisfied.

These rock oldies formats have been around in some form for close to 40 years now. By way of analogy, people my age (50s) remember "Middle of the Road" (MOR) stations like KSFO and KMPC that played "pop" in the 1950s thru the 1970s...mostly for our parents generation....Sinatra, Andy Williams, Tony Bennett, etc. If you consider the "standards" format like KABL in the 90s to be a continuation of that sound, MOR had about 35 years before it was dead and buried. Baby boomers are a larger generation, so I guess we can keep Classic Rock stations afloat a little longer.

But maybe it's time to give way to that new-fangled 80s music...performed by people like Sting and Cyndi Lauper...who, come to think of it...are in their 50s by now.
 
Lkeller said:
But maybe it's time to give way to that new-fangled 80s music...performed by people like Sting and Cyndi Lauper...who, come to think of it...are in their 50s by now.
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Hmmmm ... here's an idea: how about a "Hot Hits"-style '80s station?
 
An '80's style Hot Hit station, eh? Hhhhmmmmm What would be the call letters...... How about K I T S! Problem solved. Next....
 
SFStatic said:
Yes. Since the economy's been tough, CC Outdoor has tended to just leave boards as is until they sell them to another client. Just shows you that they don't have clients beating the doors down right now.
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For decades there was a painted wall South of Market (I think around Bryant and 2nd or so) advertising KKEE 106.1. This was an incarnation of KFRC-FM which I think had easy listening music on it, probably about 1969 or so. I think the format lasted about 6 months but the wall sign lasted until the early 90s.
 
The problem is you can hire the best talent and pd but the other half of it is the music without a fresh, exciting and extenstive play list it will be "The same ol' song". Not only is radio feeling the effects of folks using other means to listen to their music but just as in the print media that I am a part of it's the advertising dollar that is vanishing ever so quickly.

The market is so saturated I don't even think that the broadcast or print industry will ever recover to what it once was. The only hope I have is for the continued break-up of large media companies and maybe seeing the broadcast and print media go back to local community based owners who is not so much in it for a hefty profit but want to put out a good product and maybe just maybe the advertisers will come back.

This is just my thoughts and who really knows what the future holds.
 
radio dx said:
The problem is you can hire the best talent and pd but the other half of it is the music without a fresh, exciting and extenstive play list it will be "The same ol' song". Not only is radio feeling the effects of folks using other means to listen to their music but just as in the print media that I am a part of it's the advertising dollar that is vanishing ever so quickly.

The market is so saturated I don't even think that the broadcast or print industry will ever recover to what it once was. The only hope I have is for the continued break-up of large media companies and maybe seeing the broadcast and print media go back to local community based owners who is not so much in it for a hefty profit but want to put out a good product and maybe just maybe the advertisers will come back.

This is just my thoughts and who really knows what the future holds.
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I think your thoughts are on the mark, DX. We're facing a future with many less newspapers and magazines. The NY Times lost $70 million last quarter. Though we all laugh at the current version of the SF Examiner, I think the the 20 page throw-away tabloid may be the only viable business model for newspapers in the future. The Chronicle is almost there already, albeit with better writers and more talented columnists.

I still subscribe to Time Magazine - not sure why...it's more of a habit than anything. Time has shrunk by about 75% from a decade ago, and not just because of lost advertising pages. The content is way down - fewer articles, and the articles are shorter. But that's all they can afford without more advertising support.

Specialty magazines will survive - my daughters Seventeen is huge every month, with hundreds of pages of fashion and make-up ads.

Actually, radio advertising may have a decent future once the economy improves - I don't think businesses want to put their advertising dollars exclusively on-line, and they may start putting fewer dollars into TV because of technology.

Since I started using a DVR, I almost never watch TV commercials - I either pre-record the show (much easier than the old VCR days) or purposely start the show late so I can back it up and speed-search the commercial breaks. I started This Week at about 8:20 this morning, and was done with it a few minutes after 9:00...commercial free, other than the few glimpses of product names I caught while it was fast-forwarding.

Non-commercial NPR has gained a lot of listeners, and you can always change stations during commercial breaks, but there's no radio equivalent to DVRs.
 
The old saying "all politics is local politics" can be modified for radio. All good radio is local radio. That's my take on things anyway.
 
I'm a boomer and have never really been a Classic Rock fan. I really liked listening to KKSF while on vacation in SF back in 2003. It was classy, hip and very smooth. But I must be in the minority most here don't seem that bothered by the change. Heck I'm over 50 so agencies and radio stations don't care about me anyway.

It seems that when CC doesn't like a format they wreck or stop supporting it and then when the numbers go down they change the format. It happened to the oldies format where I live (market 25). Today that station is Hip Hop to play against a CBS station. More of a chess game that serving the public.

Welcome to McRadio!
 
SFStatic said:
The old saying "all politics is local politics" can be modified for radio. All good radio is local radio. That's my take on things anyway.
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Oh? This American Life? Car Talk? Sound Print? Marian McPartland's Piano Jazz? I can't think of any local programs that are as good as those.
 
Syndicated programs are fine for a small part of your programing but
what I don't like hear is a station using syndication for a major part of their broadcast day.

From what I see and hear not only newspapers but radio and tv are having a hard time with advertising dollars these days. All forms of media are cutting back in every area everything from downing the air
crew to Syndicating weekend wheather reports and acting like the guy in L.A. is in a local station here in San Jose.

All forms of media is letting good talent go due to the fact they can't or don't want to pay big money any more so they let someone go who has been at the station/newspaper for years with a large following and then turn around and hire less experiance "talent" for less money.

From what I hear and see these media buildings (like mine) are empty with a very small crew now and the sad thing you haven't seen it hit bottom yet. The reader, listener or viewer will notice which will again effect the "bottom line"

Some tv stations have stoped calling thier chief meteorogist position just that so when they rehire for that same postion they just call them a meteorogist by putting the word "chief" in the title they would have to pay them more money.
 
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