KLAA - Angels Radio AM 830

[davideduardo]

But I would say by far the most important arbitrators on this topic would be the U.S. Census Bureau and their Metropolitan Statistical Areas.

Not for radio. The radio Metro Survey Areas are defined by radio listening. Many Census / OMB metros include large areas where no... or nearly no... station covers. In my prior post, I named one of them where there are three separate radio markets in one OMB defined market and nearly no signal overlap.

The OMB metros are based on commerce and things like warehouses and distribution channels and highways and rail systems. Radio is based on coverage and usage and commuting.

Another example: The Census Miami metro goes from Port St. Lucie area to the north to Key West to the south. There are four radio markets there, with the NE to SW tips about 200 miles apart.

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/33000US370-miami-port-st-lucie-fort-lauderdale-fl-csa/

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[briancraig]

By ”this topic” I meant what defines a place. I’m saying the Census Bureau MSA definition is the most important market definition overall for most purposes.

I pointed out there were other market definitions for radio and tv and for many other industries. The DMA probably never intended for any use other than tv data is used for many other stats now. For instance when physical music sales were a big deal, Billboard’s retail Soundscan data reports were based on DMAs.

 

[Mediafrog+]

Reading the debate over what constitutes a “suburb” with amusement.

Thought jumped in my head: Dallas-Fort Worth is a single market. But don’t you dare call Fort Worth a “suburb of Dallas”…🤬

 

[davideduardo]

By ”this topic” I meant what defines a place. I’m saying the Census Bureau MSA definition is the most important market definition overall for most purposes.

I pointed out there were other market definitions for radio and TV and for many other industries. The DMA probably never intended for any use other than TV data is used for many other stats now. For instance when physical music sales were a big deal, Billboard’s retail Soundscan data reports were based on DMAs.

And DMAs include areas that over the air TV does not even cover because the basis is dominant cable coverage.

 

[impala88]

KLAA does not subscribe to the ratings, so they are likely not trying to compete with the legit sports talk stations in the market. Their only role is to pump the Angels.

There is very likely zero interest in the Stanley Cup finals in LA.

Why pay two people to do the same thing twice?
Tweets and texts are generally seen as preferable in radio today. Importantly for pro sports teams *who are usually image-conscious), they are easier to screen. As a bonus, you never have to cut off a caller. You just don't read that particular text.


The length of the pre-and post-game shows is usually related to how many spots they have to fit in. Lots of spots means a longer show. So that means there's not huge advertiser interest in the Angels broadcasts. Probably not a shock, given their also-ran status. (See also: Oakland A's)

Such an announcement is not required, so long as they do not state that they are "live" while they are not live.


Except that it is correct. "KLAA Orange" is the complete legal ID for the station. "County, Los Angeles and the Inland Empire" is just a part of the programming. There's no rule that the legal ID be given a respectful pause once you are finished uttering the community of license. It is no more wrong to say "KLAA Orange County" than it would be to say "KLAA Orange News at 5, I'm Brian McCullough"


Arte Moreno has effectively unlimited money. He could elect to spend $5 million a year on talent for KLAA if he wanted. Apparently, that is not what he wants to do, and that is his prerogative.

KLAA does not subscribe to the ratings, so they are likely not trying to compete with the legit sports talk stations in the market. Their only role is to pump the Angels.

There is very likely zero interest in the Stanley Cup finals in LA.

Why pay two people to do the same thing twice?
Tweets and texts are generally seen as preferable in radio today. Importantly for pro sports teams *who are usually image-conscious), they are easier to screen. As a bonus, you never have to cut off a caller. You just don't read that particular text.


The length of the pre-and post-game shows is usually related to how many spots they have to fit in. Lots of spots means a longer show. So that means there's not huge advertiser interest in the Angels broadcasts. Probably not a shock, given their also-ran status. (See also: Oakland A's)

Such an announcement is not required, so long as they do not state that they are "live" while they are not live.


Except that it is correct. "KLAA Orange" is the complete legal ID for the station. "County, Los Angeles and the Inland Empire" is just a part of the programming. There's no rule that the legal ID be given a respectful pause once you are finished uttering the community of license. It is no more wrong to say "KLAA Orange County" than it would be to say "KLAA Orange News at 5, I'm Brian McCullough"


Arte Moreno has effectively unlimited money. He could elect to spend $5 million a year on talent for KLAA if he wanted. Apparently, that is not what he wants to do, and that is his prerogative.

Speaking of spots, I have to voice my opinion on the Coca-Cola commercial that is replayed seemingly endlessly on Angels games. It has to be the most idiotic ever. It's a rendition of a newscast where one of the anchors starts guzzling a Coke while the other tries to report the news. "Jim—haha—Jim! We're on the air!" She then asks for a sip and then "Jim" says that they are in the middle of reporting the news. Then we here a demonic voice stating "I have to try it first". Who wrote this commercial, an eighth grader?

 

[impala88]

NO! NBA fans can listen over on KSPN. Dodger fans can listen to comprehensive saturation on KLAC. What KLAA provides to Angels fans is coverage of their MLB team; one that is sadly overlooked on virtually every other regional and national outlet. In no way should KLAA devolve into parroting those same teams' focus the other LA based signals concentrate on.

Agreed!

 

[CTListener]

Reading the debate over what constitutes a “suburb” with amusement.

Thought jumped in my head: Dallas-Fort Worth is a single market. But don’t you dare call Fort Worth a “suburb of Dallas”…🤬

In Connecticut, Newington, Wethersfield, Farmington, and other primarily residential communities within roughly 20 miles of Hartford are considered Hartford suburbs. New Britain and Meriden are not. They are cities with businesses that employ considerable numbers of residents. That some residents of those cities may commute to and from jobs in Hartford is irrelevant. And nobody calls Farmington or Newington a suburb of New Britain, even though both towns border New Britain. It may not be part of anyone's codified definition of "suburb," but I would submit that most people who consider themselves suburbanites and their towns suburbs live in residential communities with limited business activity.

 

[impala88]

But today their home stadium is in Orange County and it is an OC team before anything else.

The "Dodgers" name comes from Brooklyn. But, today, it plays in a home stadium in LA.

Not really. The OC in many ways tries to segregate itself from the attitudes, politics and lifestyle of Los Angeles. In fact, when I was there I never said I lived in Los Angles... I said "Glendale" and if anyone was unfamiliar, I said it was "near Hollywood".

The OC is Disneyland; LA is the Rodney King riots.

In fact, when I moved to LA 30 years ago, I spent the first 3 years or so powerfully regretting the move (but liking the income) and totally detesting the location. And as soon as I could, I moved out of the metro even though I continued to work for the same folks. Of the places I've lived, it ranks even below Birmingham, AL, where I lived not-briefly-enough in the early, racist 70's.

I ranked the places I have lived fulltime or part time...

Quito (Mariscal), Ecuador
San Juan, PR (Metro Area)
La Quinta, CA (Palm Springs MSA)
Coral Gables, FL
Traverse City "Metro", MI
Scottsdale, AZ (mid-70's)
Prescott, AZ
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Mexico City / Colonia del Valle (early 60's)
Fairfax, VA (early 70's)
Cleveland Heights, OH
Guayaquil (Urdaneta), Ecuador
Los Angeles, CA area (tie with Guayaquil)
Birmingham ("Over the Hill), AL

I agree. Arte should never have changed the name from Anaheim Angels to Los Angeles Angels.

 

[Signal Geek]

Completely off topic, but back in the early 1980s before KLAA signed on, UCLA had a carrier-current station (KLA) on 830. It was about the only spot on the crowded L.A. AM dial where you wouldn't get a lot of bleedover from adjacent stations. Many AM radios weren't very selective back then.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

I agree. Arte should never have changed the name from Anaheim Angels to Los Angeles Angels.

That move would have cost him millions.

 

[Loverofradio]

That is my long-prescribed answer: Even better than saying you're from America, is saying you're from California. Cali has a magical cache globally. It represents the dream of so many around the world, plus the wonderment of Hollywood. As such, one encounters as you wrote "unanimous warm smiles and stories of trips they'd either taken here or are planning to take".

Lol just imagine the reactions I get when I tell people I live in Louisiana. But I grew up in Culver City

 

[K.M. Richards]

Completely off topic, but back in the early 1980s before KLAA signed on, UCLA had a carrier-current station (KLA) on 830. It was about the only spot on the crowded L.A. AM dial where you wouldn't get a lot of bleedover from adjacent stations. Many AM radios weren't very selective back then.

Loyola Marymount University also had a carrier current station (KLMU) at 840.

 

[TomásEstefan]

Completely off topic, but back in the early 1980s before KLAA signed on, UCLA had a carrier-current station (KLA) on 830. It was about the only spot on the crowded L.A. AM dial where you wouldn't get a lot of bleedover from adjacent stations. Many AM radios weren't very selective back then.

Yes, they weren't very selective but they sure sounded a lot better!

 

[Rollo-Smokes]

I'm back y'all...

...and I'm listening to The Sports Lodge, on a day with one of the biggest sports stories to come out of the Southland this side of a pro team winning a championship.

So as USC and UCLA bolt the Pac-12 to join the Big Ten, what do I hear? Probably the 10,000th recap of the last Angels game.

What a joke. I hope this was touched on at least once when I wasn't listening.

Edit: Lodge must have read my mind, because he mentioned it for all of 30 seconds. Then it was back to all-Shohei all the time.

 

[TheBigA]

So as USC and UCLA bolt the Pac-12 to join the Big Ten, what do I hear? Probably the 10,000th recap of the last Angels game.

Nobody says they're an impartial sports station. They're not. I think we said so much earlier in this thread.

You want something other than the Angels? Change the station.

However, yes it's big news. More consolidation in sports. Just as when Texas & Oklahoma left the Big 12 for the SEC.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

Occasionally, the KLAA signal was better in places farther afield than Los Angeles.. i recorded this ID from them in 2019 back when i was in wyoming and submitted it to tophour.com

http://www.tophour.com/audio/Los%20Angeles%20CA/am0830_2019-10_klaa_pwalker.mp3

 

[Rollo-Smokes]

Nobody says they're an impartial sports station. They're not. I think we said so much earlier in this thread.

You want something other than the Angels? Change the station.

However, yes it's big news. More consolidation in sports. Just as when Texas & Oklahoma left the Big 12 for the SEC.

FWIW, Lodge did have on a guest in the first hour of the show breaking down SC and UCLA to Big Ten. He played the interview back in the last hour. That was probably as extensive as he got on that story.

I also wanted to touch on another observation from my first post regarding "pre-recorded" liners...those of you in the Southland should remember when KRLA and its parent (and my employer) Salem Media got in hot water with the FCC over this misidentifying a taped program as being live. Salem got hit with a hefty fine and as a result, we take no chances. Each hour of programming has a liner whether it's partially or wholly pre-recorded, and other broadcasters now do the same. KLAA should consider this for its late-night Angels replays.

Salem agrees to pay FCC fine of $50,000 over "live" programming

Salem Media Group has agreed to pay a $50,000 civil penalty after one of its stations violated federal requirements over pre-recorded programming.

thedesk.net

 

[TheBigA]

KLAA should consider this for its late-night Angels replays.

The issue that caught the FCC's attention was that the word "live" was in the name of the show. It was called HealthLine Live.

If the Angels PBP is called "Angels Live," then you're probably right. But they have lots of money to pay an FCC fine should one occur.

 

[K.M. Richards]

The issue that caught the FCC's attention was that the word "live" was in the name of the show. It was called HealthLine Live.

Yep, there's always some defining fact that gets overlooked when people try to make something into an example of what they think should be the rule.

 

[Rollo-Smokes]

Yep, there's always some defining fact that gets overlooked when people try to make something into an example of what they think should be the rule.

My point is maybe running a liner wouldn't hurt, regardless of whether or not the word "live" is used. Better to play it safe, no?