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KLIF Going Down Drain?

Actually, Arbitron puts the figure for the S.A. Metro at 50.8.
Bexar county is about 53%.
San Antonio city proper is about 60%...
But in San Antonio, hispanic ranges from recent arrivals from Guatamala to the descendants of the Canary Islanders...so it's not a very homogenous group.
 
A UTSA survey over two years placed the hispanic population of SA as 38% illegals. One conducted by St. Mary's University a year before placed it at 42%.
 
klifhanger said:
A UTSA survey over two years placed the hispanic population of SA as 38% illegals. One conducted by St. Mary's University a year before placed it at 42%.

That is quite impossible, as the population of SA has been around half Hispanic for many, many decades. Most Hispanics in SA are English dominant, with only a quarter of them (12.5% of the market) being Spanish dominant... this is the reason why the top Hispanic stations like KBBT, KXTN, KTFM, etc., are in English and there are only about 10 total Spanish shares of listening in the market.

Your data on the Hispanic population is not only wrong, it is impossibly wrong. San Antonio, through the first part of the 20th Century, had even a higher percentage of Hispanics than today and that is why most Hispanics there are 3rd, 4th and 5th generation and beyond.
 
TheLaffer said:
Correction: 53.7% Hispanic

Wrong again Old Gringo David Hardhead-O Gleason :D

Nope, you are wrong.

We are talking radio, so we are talking about he Arbitron MSA, and persons 12+ only. SA is not 53.7% Hispanic.

The figure for Summer, 2006 is 50.9%, but population in every market in the US is adjusted by Arbitron each Fall book, and the new figure is reported to be 51.6%, which, if rounded, is "about 52%" as stated.
 
Ok, lets look it up...
The census bureau counts about 10% of the S.A. MSA as foreign born.
They count about a third of the population speaking a language other than english in the home.
In the city of S.A., 58.7 percent identify themselves as hispanic.
In Bexar county, 54.2 percent identify themselves as hispanic.
The M.S.A. includes counties like Comal where there are still people who speak German in the home.

Anecdotally, I understand that recent immigrants pass through san antonio, and keep going. Dallas and Houston have a greater percentage of recent hispanic immigrants, i.e. hispanics not born in the U.S. of A.
They're going to North Carolina, Illinois, even Minnesota, rather than deal with the low wages paid in S.A.

But still, the native hispanic culture is being subsumed, and the Norteno/Conjuto sound is not very popular any more. Even Tejano is going away, which is odd, since it historically appealed to the second and third generation hispanics.

And Klif, how many people did we grow up with who were half irish/half mexican (Stan Kelly) or half mexican half german (Karen Klaus, Stevie Hawn)...
 
I'm was thrilled when Knapp left, and exhilirated that Ankarlo is leaving!! In my opinion they are no different than the "Coyotes" who bring these poor souls across our borders, they are capitalizing on these Illegals to further their own careers!!
It's really sad they took up this cause, when there are so many worthy causes to promote ...thing is...in Texas (and Arizona too).
 
jurassicgrammy said:
I'm was thrilled when Knapp left, and exhilirated that Ankarlo is leaving!! In my opinion they are no different than the "Coyotes" who bring these poor souls across our borders, they are capitalizing on these Illegals to further their own careers!!
It's really sad they took up this cause, when there are so many worthy causes to promote ...thing is...in Texas (and Arizona too).

Bringing poor souls across the border? Are you being facetious?
Can you elaborate on your statement that Knapp and Ankarlo have capitalized on illegals to futher their own careers?
 
OldGringo said:
TheLaffer said:
Correction: 53.7% Hispanic

Wrong again Old Gringo David Hardhead-O Gleason :D

Nope, you are wrong.

We are talking radio, so we are talking about he Arbitron MSA, and persons 12+ only. SA is not 53.7% Hispanic.

The figure for Summer, 2006 is 50.9%, but population in every market in the US is adjusted by Arbitron each Fall book, and the new figure is reported to be 51.6%, which, if rounded, is "about 52%" as stated.

You people can Quote all the Stats you want. I'm sure you can come up with all kinds of different data to support your argument. I wouldn't put much into what ARBITON says anyway. Even Government Stats are questionable at best.

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Can you elaborate on your statement that Knapp and Ankarlo have capitalized on illegals to futher their own careers?

Well, if I may speak for someone else, Ankarlo is the king of grabbing onto something sensational and claiming it as his own. He latches onto a topic that will get him listeners. Any real passion about it???...CMON!! He'll change his opinion according to what will garner him the most support in whatever market he is working in. Phoney CRAP.
Knapp I found to be a quality broadcaster and genuinely a good human being.
So therefore, not all talk hosts are narcissistic, immoral idiots like Darrell.
 
Agreed that many talk show hosts have exploited the immigration situation. So have certain latino activists. Much distortion has resulted, in what people understand of the situation. The debate in the political arena is almost as polarized and extreme as this thread has been.
Laffer makes a point about statistics, which has merit, since undocumented immigrants avoid surveys. Likewise Kiif knows from whence he speaks, about a study showing a large number of undocumented in the region. O.G. has access to the numbers, which represent the conventional wisdom.

The bottom line to all this is a failed morning talk show on a powerful AM station, low on the band, which could potentially reach 5 or 6 million people.
So, what's it gonna take to motivate people to tune in to KLIF-AM? That would be a useful discussion at this board. Any ideas anyone? Or are we just a bunch of chimps flinging feces?
G
(p.s.- Laffer... if you use St. John's Wort in an herbal tea, use only the flowers. The leaves, which are commonly sold in suppliment pills, are useless, and will not help you with your condition.)
 
Laffer-
You're 2 years older than me,
We worked at the same station, at different times, twice.
When we met, more than 25 years ago, you were much healthier.
I'm sorry about your weekend gig... I didn't mean to poke a finger in your fresh wound. You have accomplished some good things in your career, I'm sorry things have been going so poorly lately.
And yes, your posts tell a lot about your frame of mind.
St. John's Wort may be of some help to you. Look it up.
G
 
grantchester said:
Laffer-
You're 2 years older than me,
We worked at the same station, at different times, twice.
When we met, more than 25 years ago, you were much healthier.
I'm sorry about your weekend gig... I didn't mean to poke a finger in your fresh wound. You have accomplished some good things in your career, I'm sorry things have been going so poorly lately.
And yes, your posts tell a lot about your frame of mind.
St. John's Wort may be of some help to you. Look it up.
G

Actually my parttime gig is going just fine. I think you have me mixed up with someone else which from what i read on here seems to happen a lot.

If you would like to email me i will be more than happy to tell you who i am and what i do and learning YOUR identity too. Up for it?
 
First:MASTER OF GRAND ILLUSION Lives to argue,and has an obsession with topics when one proves him wrong. That has happened on several occassions,but not in "his world." His SA post is something Robert Heinlein or Ray Harryhausen with a dash Of Arthur C. Clarke would come up with.

Grant Chester: Thanks for the kind words. Yeah having lived there as you did,and worked there as you did,I believe we know what we are talking about in regards to SA. You know it by living there more than a decade,not some scalawag at a low performing station who comes in for a year,and leaves it in worse shape. SA is basically a "clearing house" of illegals.Go to Somerset rd.,Gen McMullen rd. Sw Military Drive,Culebra Rd. on the east side. The proof is there.
 
klifhanger said:
First:MASTER OF GRAND ILLUSION Lives to argue,and has an obsession with topics when one proves him wrong. That has happened on several occassions,but not in "his world." His SA post is something Robert Heinlein or Ray Harryhausen with a dash Of Arthur C. Clarke would come up with.

Grant Chester: Thanks for the kind words. Yeah having lived there as you did,and worked there as you did,I believe we know what we are talking about in regards to SA. You know it by living there more than a decade,not some scalawag at a low performing station who comes in for a year,and leaves it in worse shape. SA is basically a "clearing house" of illegals.Go to Somerset rd.,Gen McMullen rd. Sw Military Drive,Culebra Rd. on the east side. The proof is there.

I see. KCOR (AM) is 60 years old as a Spanish station, and the UVR San Antonio cluster is based on the heritage of this station. Nobody "comes in for a year" and leaves anything in "worse shape." The fact that KBBT has been #1 since it went on the air, that KXTN has been a major player for more than a decade in a unique format, and that KCOR-FM and KROM are the #1 and #2 Spanish language stations should be enough to show that we have an incredible team in the market, headed by GM Dan Wilson, who has been in Texas radio for several decades, with over 20 years with the company.

Nobody in this company has "come in for a year and (left) it in worse shape." All the stations are performing extremely well, and the debut of 97.7 La Kalle last week will enhance the cluster position in the market by serving another group of Hispanics who did not have their own station yet.

This is a radio board, so the first figures most of us use are the ones that correspond to the Arbitron MSA. That means two things: 1) the data is for 12+ only, and 2) that the MSA for Arbitron is not always the same as the OMB / Census Bureau market definition. Then, we have to understand that each year Arbitron updates the population data using the Census updates as processed and "enhanced" by Claritas (which uses other data to reinforce the estimates). So the current SA figures for Hispanics are 2005 Census & Claritas estimates.

There is no count of illegals in any market. The Census did not ask an immigration status question. We have a "range" figure for the nation, such a the FAIR figure of 11 to 12 million illegals, of which group about 7 million to 8 million are Hispanics. If there are 43 million Hispanics in the US, then one of every 5 to 6 is illegal... about 18% +/- 3%.

By that standard, about 9% of the population of San Antonio would be illegal, or 18% of the Hispanic population. But San Antonio has a very unique quality, shared int he USA only with Albuquerque: a multi-generational Hispanic community that dominates the market. Per Nielsen and Arbitron, who have done language enumeration studies, only between 25% and 30% of SA Hispanics are Spanish dominant. So that means that the not-born-here community is about 13% of the market, or maybe 25% or so of the Hispanic community... because the "Spanish dominants" are almost 100% foreign born, always.

So, we have a quarter of the Hispanic population born outside the US. Not all of these will be illegal. Using data from the Census on foreign born citizens and legal residents, about 30% of foreign born Hispanics are illegal. So, the percentage in SA would be around 8% to 9% of the Hispanic population or about 4% to 5% of the total market. All this data is verifiable step by step using the Arbitron data available online and the Census 2005 projections and data from FAIR and other "reasonable" immigration reform organizations.

You don't seriously think a cluster will have 21% to 23% of the total market shares without knowing the dynamics and characteristics of the market and its residents, do you?
 
Your Quote: "The bottom line to all this is a failed morning talk show on a powerful AM station, low on the band, which could potentially reach 5 or 6 million people.
So, what's it gonna take to motivate people to tune in to KLIF-AM? That would be a useful discussion at this board. Any ideas anyone?"

My response: There are many serious issues to raise hairs on people's necks and get them to call in, such as Jessica's Law--Couhey (recanting his confession) Any issue relating to children and how to keep them safe... I, for one, am really tired of the Illegal Issue (both sides of the coin) there has to be something else to talk about! Come on!! ;D
 
ROVER: Yes


Master of Grand Illusion:"I see. KCOR (AM) is 60 years old as a Spanish station, and the UVR San Antonio cluster is based on the heritage of this station. Nobody "comes in for a year" and leaves anything in "worse shape.""
In your case it was an exception. It was a disaster.

Your facts on Hispanic population,illegals in SA, are "spin" . You once again "lifted' someone else's opinion (from another board on another site) reworded it to make it sound factual,when it is more than a delusion based on your own prejudices towards being wrong. You also once again tried to seek credit for KCOR's success WELL AFTER YOU LEFT!! Man oh man. Learn,try to speak the truth. It seems you abhor that.

"Have you no shame sir"? quote from the McCarthy-Army hearings 1954
 
While it may appear trivial to some, I found it noteworthy that in Old Gringo's earlier post he mentioned "...the FAIR figure of 11 to 12 million illegals, of which group about 7 million to 8 million are Hispanics." It took me a moment to realize that he was citing stats from a group that promotes the reduction of all immigration to minimal levels, namely the Federation for American Immigration Reform. For an instant---I had thought, what does "Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting" have to do with this post, or the larger issue? A fleeting thought, but one worth pondering: I thought about the inflammatory rhetoric of talk show hosts like Ankarlo, who could use a reality check every hour, every day. Check your sources, check the statistics and decide if they're relevant before proceeding with your rant. It's a shame that so many talk show hosts have forgotten the basic tenets of journalism and rely more on theatrics. I'm not sorry to see Ankarlo go; he showed some promise early on but then he became just another talker, seeking to provoke a reponse rather than providing rationale.
 
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