KLIF Going Down Drain?

[klifhanger]

JD; THANK YOU!!!!It only underscores how Master of Grand Illusion plays loose with the FACTS or just outright creates them. I cited two university surveys conducted over a lenghty period,based in SA itself. One university has been there longer than any hispanic radio in the city. He lost another argument once,but he will be back with more "conjured" stats based on his person library findings and not he stated hard facts.

 

[OldGringo]

While it may appear trivial to some, I found it noteworthy that in Old Gringo's earlier post he mentioned "...the FAIR figure of 11 to 12 million illegals, of which group about 7 million to 8 million are Hispanics." It took me a moment to realize that he was citing stats from a group that promotes the reduction of all immigration to minimal levels, namely the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

I generally quote FAIR as they are a rational although parcialized source of data. They wish to control immigration, but do not exaggerate the current number of illegal immigrants as they believe that truthfulnes is better than the scare tactics of those that exaggerate. The FAIR numbers parallel the (former) INS "mid-range" estimates, and those of groups like the Pew Hispanic Center. The 11 to 12 million estimate (as of 2005) is pretty much the consensus figure for organizations that actually do some research, rather than guesswork.

 

[OldGringo]

JD; THANK YOU!!!!It only underscores how Master of Grand Illusion plays loose with the FACTS or just outright creates them. I cited two university surveys conducted over a lenghty period,based in SA itself. One university has been there longer than any hispanic radio in the city. He lost another argument once,but he will be back with more "conjured" stats based on his person library findings and not he stated hard facts.

Only 12% to 15% of the population of San Antonio in 12+, MSA, is Spanish dominant, so your figures are totally impossible.

San Antonio (Arbitron MSA) was 51.3% Hispanic 10 years ago. It was 50.9% in Summer, 2006. It is just over 51% for the 2006 update, coming in the Winter book. It was 50.7% in 2002 (Spring). In other words, the range is firmly centered on a median very close to 51% over the last 10 years in every survey. This indicates no growth. In fact, most of the Hispanic growth in SA is from births exceeding deaths, not immigration.

To confirm, the 2000 Census, which includes children, too, shows SA metro (not the same as the Arbitron MSA) to be 51.2% Hispanic. So all the figures are within a percent of each other.

It is more rare than finding a singing donkey to find a foreign born Hispanic who is English dominant, so what we have in SA is roughly 75% of all Hispanics born here, and you can not truly believe that 100% of the Spanish domainant, foreign born, are not legal.

Using national averages, the best guess would be that considerable less than half of the foreign born Hispanics in SA are illegal. In other words, way under 10% of the total Hispanic population (75% born in US, English dominant) could be illegal.

The 2002 update, the only one I have with me, shows Bexar County 11% foreign born, and the Arbitron MSA to be just under 10% foreign born. So, if you look at that data alone, it would be impossible for illegals in SA metro to be any more than 5% of the total population and 10% of Hispanics if every single Hispanic foreign born person was illegal. Since we know that most are legally here, then the best guess, again, is that illgals are vastly less than the figures you posted.

 

[OldGringo]

ROVER: Yes


Master of Grand Illusion:"I see. KCOR (AM) is 60 years old as a Spanish station, and the UVR San Antonio cluster is based on the heritage of this station. Nobody "comes in for a year" and leaves anything in "worse shape.""
In your case it was an exception. It was a disaster.

I was never there for "a year." I visit all our markets and work with the indivisual GMs and PDs and format specialists in each market.

So what ever you think I did for "a year" is simply your immagination. There are no "disasters" in SA, anyway, of anyone's creation.

Your facts on Hispanic population,illegals in SA, are "spin" . You once again "lifted' someone else's opinion (from another board on another site) reworded it to make it sound factual,when it is more than a delusion based on your own prejudices towards being wrong.

Prove that I lifted the opinion. I simply looked at Arbitron data, Census data and various sources for immigration data (including our own in-house research) to give you ranges of possible population figures. Every source of repute over the last 10 years has shown the Hispanic population to be within a few ticks of 51%, and the percentage foreign born to be about 10% of the MSA or 20% of the Hispanic population. Based on a variety of facts we know, the most we could have is around 7% ot 8% of Hispanics being illegal, or around 4% of the market.

You also once again tried to seek credit for KCOR's success WELL AFTER YOU LEFT!!

I was never there as a resident or PD. I am responsible for the current KCOR-FM programming, though, as I created the Recuerdo format in 2002 along with Amalia Gonzalez, current national Recuerdo PD.

Man oh man. Learn,try to speak the truth. It seems you abhor that.

Try those shoes on yourself. I never lived in SA. I have lived in LA since 1992, with no absence of more than a week or two at a time.

 

[grantchester]

O.G. D.F.G said: if you look at that data alone, it would be impossible for illegals in SA metro to be any more than 5% of the total population

David- It really depends on the time of year. The start and end of the migrant season will see a large influx; large enough to skew the stats you cite. The rush home for the Christmas/new Years period has quite a few joining up in the Alamo city. Then there are all the tourists who come up from Mexico at Easter... making the discussion moot is the fact that Illegals refuse to be counted, just as they refuse to participate in most other aspects of the society they inhabit.

I'd like to know; how many illegal Irish are there in the USA? Bet'cha it's more than a million or two...Likewise Canadians... Any clues?

 

[jd]

JD; THANK YOU!!!!It only underscores how Master of Grand Illusion plays loose with the FACTS or just outright creates them. I cited two university surveys conducted over a lenghty period,based in SA itself. One university has been there longer than any hispanic radio in the city. He lost another argument once,but he will be back with more "conjured" stats based on his person library findings and not he stated hard facts.

You missed the point. While you may have found it incongruous for David to cite information from an anti-immigration organization, I found it interesting. In fact, the inclusion of data from the Federation for American Immigration Reform lends credence to his argument, since they don't seem to rely on scare tactics to advance their agenda. Seeking out data from only those groups whose agendas mirror your own tenets is a foolish approach. By acknowledging another's right to express an opinion and keeping an open mind you improve your own credibility.

If you had carefully considered my post, you would have realized that it was not a criticism of David or his position; it dealt with fairness, accuracy and responsibility. That's my problem with Darrell Ankarlo, KLIF and Fox News ("we've decided, you'll concur"). There was a time when I listened to Rush Limbaugh, but my interest in his show wasn't really about substance. I was intrigued by him in a theatrical sense, and that has worn thin over the years. What respect I had for him vanished when it became obvious that he didn't practice what he preached, and he ignored the basic rules of journalism whenever convenient to advance his cause.

I will check out Ankarlo's successor, but considering the current mindset at "Fox 570" I'll probably be disappointed. KLIF does nothing for me now, and I long for the old crew. Back then I looked forward to hearing Kevin and company on 570 in the morning. Since the door closed on that chapter of Dallas radio, the collective minds of ownership, management and hosts became closed as well.

 

[jurassicgrammy]

Nobody has mentioned how Ankarlo and Knapp took a sharp right turn into weirdo-land.Everytime I tuned in lately, they were talking to Minutemen or somebody who thinks the Trans-Texas Corridor is a Commie plot.

Their ratings went south when they started Mex-bashing. Look it up.

This is Texas. Everybody is either Hispanic or has dated or married or hired or gotten drunk with somebody Hispanic.

Ankarlo's rants sank him.

I know I'm late posting to this, but Justabubba I agree with you 100%. I have wondered if Knapp has continued his Anti-Mex Rant on his new gig, just what is he talking about now??
And...Ankarlo...does anyone remember his way strange "Panty Raid" when he had the listeners sent women's unmentionables to the Texas Legislature?? I know that means I've been listening, but gee whiz...gimme a break! I'm hoping the newbies at KLIF will work from a higher plain!

 

[TheLaffer]

Nobody has mentioned how Ankarlo and Knapp took a sharp right turn into weirdo-land.Everytime I tuned in lately, they were talking to Minutemen or somebody who thinks the Trans-Texas Corridor is a Commie plot.

Their ratings went south when they started Mex-bashing. Look it up.

This is Texas. Everybody is either Hispanic or has dated or married or hired or gotten drunk with somebody Hispanic.

Ankarlo's rants sank him.

Is Greg Knap working on WBAP? I heard a spot with him on it on WBAP.

I know I'm late posting to this, but Justabubba I agree with you 100%. I have wondered if Knapp has continued his Anti-Mex Rant on his new gig, just what is he talking about now??
And...Ankarlo...does anyone remember his way strange "Panty Raid" when he had the listeners sent women's unmentionables to the Texas Legislature?? I know that means I've been listening, but gee whiz...gimme a break! I'm hoping the newbies at KLIF will work from a higher plain!