Rumors are circulating around the other boards that Kris Winter will start at WSHH on Mon Feb 5. She will be on the 9-2PM Shift. Could anybody confirm if this is true?
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Kris Winter coming to WSHH?
- Thread starter toddjammin
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I'm not sure that's a good fit. Despite her time on 3WS, I don't think she has ever been a solo jock in an A/C format where you need to keep it moving and walk on intros. She's a DVE type... stop the music and talk as long as you need to.
I wish her the best, but I wouldn't have put her there....
I wish her the best, but I wouldn't have put her there....
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I don't think she has ever been a solo jock in an A/C format where you need to keep it moving and walk on intros. She's a DVE type... stop the music and talk as long as you need to.
You make is tound like that's some sort of genetic capability. Making the transition from being a 'DVE style DJ to old-fashioned, talk-over-the-music isn't exactly rocket science. Any professional DJ is, first and foremost, a performer. And any performer should be able to make minor little adjustments to their performance.
Besides, haven't people in here been saying that both WSHH and Star should change their formats? Maybe hiring Chris Winter is a step towards making WSHH more DVEish. Personally, I think that with a slight shift in the music selection on WSHH, Chris Winter could steal a few listeners away from Marilyn Michaels.
You make is tound like that's some sort of genetic capability. Making the transition from being a 'DVE style DJ to old-fashioned, talk-over-the-music isn't exactly rocket science. Any professional DJ is, first and foremost, a performer. And any performer should be able to make minor little adjustments to their performance.
Besides, haven't people in here been saying that both WSHH and Star should change their formats? Maybe hiring Chris Winter is a step towards making WSHH more DVEish. Personally, I think that with a slight shift in the music selection on WSHH, Chris Winter could steal a few listeners away from Marilyn Michaels.
First, it's Michelle Michaels. This should not be rocket science for someone who writes about our industry as much as you do.
Secondly, to act as if maintaining forward motion and formatics of a station such as 3WS is a skill any "performer" could do with excellence is tantamount to saying that a pop singer (say, Billy Joel) could also be an opera singer, or that a broadcast announcer (say, Doug Hoerth or Jack Bogut) could also be a stadium PA announcer. Yes, some skills are transferable in many cases, but I'd suggest you not oversimplify the industry or its job requirements.
Secondly, to act as if maintaining forward motion and formatics of a station such as 3WS is a skill any "performer" could do with excellence is tantamount to saying that a pop singer (say, Billy Joel) could also be an opera singer, or that a broadcast announcer (say, Doug Hoerth or Jack Bogut) could also be a stadium PA announcer. Yes, some skills are transferable in many cases, but I'd suggest you not oversimplify the industry or its job requirements.
First, it's Michelle Michaels. This should not be rocket science for someone who writes about our industry as much as you do.
I think that was low. Just wait till you get senior moments as you get older!
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Yes, some skills are transferable in many cases, but I'd suggest you not oversimplify the industry or its job requirements.
Your examples are as off base as my memory of Ms. Michael's first name. Your listing of two extremes in voice performance do not prove that two very similar skills are also extremely different. A more appropriate example would be to say that a performer like Billy Joel who sang up-tempo songs like "We Didn't Start the Fire" couldn't handle a slow ballad like "A New York State of Mind". Except that he did sing both songs, and sang them both well. Or saying that a Top 40 boss jock couldn't also handle doing a conservative news talk program. Tell that to Jeff Christie or Jim Quinn. Or that a laid-back AOR rocker couldn't make the transition to country music. Tell that to Steve Roach.
Having done both types of formats, it's harder than it sounds, and a totally different mindset.
I don't doubt that it's harder than it sounds, but it's also easier than most people in the industry claim it is. The average man on the street couldn't walk into a studio and be a disc jockey. But, an experienced and reasonably talented pro should be able to master that skill. There are lots of things in life that are somewhat difficult that still aren't as difficult as rocket science.
In the overall scheme of things, it's about as difficult for a 'DVE style DJ to transition to the WSHH style as it would be for an actor who did mostly comedies to switch to drama, or for a rock singer to sing a ballad.
I don't know Chris Winter. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt in assuming that she got to where she is because of her talent. And I'm assuming that no one gets a regular on-the-air gig in market that's only a little bit out of the top 20 unless they know their stuff. If this was the radio forum for something like the 95th market, where everyone on the air is either a rookie on the way up or a loser who never advanced, I could agree that she's probably a one-trick pony whose trick won't work on WSHH.
Your examples are as off base as my memory of Ms. Michael's first name. Your listing of two extremes in voice performance do not prove that two very similar skills are also extremely different. A more appropriate example would be to say that a performer like Billy Joel who sang up-tempo songs like "We Didn't Start the Fire" couldn't handle a slow ballad like "A New York State of Mind". Except that he did sing both songs, and sang them both well. Or saying that a Top 40 boss jock couldn't also handle doing a conservative news talk program. Tell that to Jeff Christie or Jim Quinn. Or that a laid-back AOR rocker couldn't make the transition to country music. Tell that to Steve Roach.
Having done both types of formats, it's harder than it sounds, and a totally different mindset.
I don't doubt that it's harder than it sounds, but it's also easier than most people in the industry claim it is. The average man on the street couldn't walk into a studio and be a disc jockey. But, an experienced and reasonably talented pro should be able to master that skill. There are lots of things in life that are somewhat difficult that still aren't as difficult as rocket science.
In the overall scheme of things, it's about as difficult for a 'DVE style DJ to transition to the WSHH style as it would be for an actor who did mostly comedies to switch to drama, or for a rock singer to sing a ballad.
I don't know Chris Winter. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt in assuming that she got to where she is because of her talent. And I'm assuming that no one gets a regular on-the-air gig in market that's only a little bit out of the top 20 unless they know their stuff. If this was the radio forum for something like the 95th market, where everyone on the air is either a rookie on the way up or a loser who never advanced, I could agree that she's probably a one-trick pony whose trick won't work on WSHH.
>>I think that was low. Just wait till you get senior moments as you get older!
My apologies if taken as such by Mr. Realist, although his rants about the art of our industry and deliberate pokes at same (often shifting the argument to another point entirely) are tiresome. He also has held aspects of WDVE in great regard in previous posts, so the error is a bit more than a senior moment -- of which BTW I have plenty. Finally, as an aside, generally such moments come in real-time when talking, not during what I hope would be a reflective Forum post.
>>Billy Joel who sang up-tempo songs like "We Didn't Start the Fire" couldn't handle a slow ballad like "A New York State of >>Mind". Except that he did sing both songs, and sang them both well. Or saying that a Top 40 boss jock couldn't also >>handle doing a conservative news talk program. Tell that to Jeff Christie or Jim Quinn
Mr. Realist, you chose examples to illustrate your point -- and I agree they are good ones, but such people are perhaps far in the minority to those who do not have that versatility. My point is that being successful behind the microphone in a live-assist situation (as do the requirements of many jobs), calls for different skills in different formats, the profession should not be denigrated by categorizing it as a simple one-size fits all position in which a;; who hold the position are interchangeable parts, that presentation skills are not necessarily transferable and, though I do not think you did so in your post, those who do not have this versatility should not be denigrated.
>Tell that to Steve Roach.
Sigh...I would if he existed. For the sake of the Board and future searches, it's Jimmy Roach. And indeed he is a good example.
My apologies if taken as such by Mr. Realist, although his rants about the art of our industry and deliberate pokes at same (often shifting the argument to another point entirely) are tiresome. He also has held aspects of WDVE in great regard in previous posts, so the error is a bit more than a senior moment -- of which BTW I have plenty. Finally, as an aside, generally such moments come in real-time when talking, not during what I hope would be a reflective Forum post.
>>Billy Joel who sang up-tempo songs like "We Didn't Start the Fire" couldn't handle a slow ballad like "A New York State of >>Mind". Except that he did sing both songs, and sang them both well. Or saying that a Top 40 boss jock couldn't also >>handle doing a conservative news talk program. Tell that to Jeff Christie or Jim Quinn
Mr. Realist, you chose examples to illustrate your point -- and I agree they are good ones, but such people are perhaps far in the minority to those who do not have that versatility. My point is that being successful behind the microphone in a live-assist situation (as do the requirements of many jobs), calls for different skills in different formats, the profession should not be denigrated by categorizing it as a simple one-size fits all position in which a;; who hold the position are interchangeable parts, that presentation skills are not necessarily transferable and, though I do not think you did so in your post, those who do not have this versatility should not be denigrated.
>Tell that to Steve Roach.
Sigh...I would if he existed. For the sake of the Board and future searches, it's Jimmy Roach. And indeed he is a good example.
Re: If this is true where is Cynthia Brennan?
I believe she got downsized in the mass Crap Channel housecleaning.
And for the record, everyone, it's C-R-I-S...thank you, drive through.
thefalcon said:did she leave the station? at first I did not like her sound. but I thought she got better and better.
I believe she got downsized in the mass Crap Channel housecleaning.
And for the record, everyone, it's C-R-I-S...thank you, drive through.
It's a done deal. She's 9 a.m. to 2 p.m. beginning Feb. 5.
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the profession should not be denigrated by categorizing it as a simple one-size fits all position in which a;; who hold the position are interchangeable parts, that presentation skills are not necessarily transferable and, though I do not think you did so in your post, those who do not have this versatility should not be denigrated.
Perhaps you should not be so thin-skinned and on the defensive to read into what I wrote something that simple wasn't there. It is not "denigrating" the profession to observe that those in the profession should possess the necessary skills set to be able to handle a wider range of on-air duties than any one particular broadcast format might require at any one time. It is not "denigrating" a profession to state that a task that falls within the parameters of what any qualified member of the profession should be able to handle shouldn't be as difficult as "rocket science", since that cliche term is usually understood to be a task requiring an extreme level of skill above and beyond the ordinary.
And for the record, we are talking about the very slight difference of shifting from 'DVE's format to WSHH's format. Having listened to both stations, it strikes me that they have at least a 15% playlist overlap by song title, and around a 20% overlap by artist. We're not talking about switching from being a DJ to being a news reporter. It's not like she was shifting to an all-rap show on an urban station, or moving over to WQED and introducing symphonies and string quartets.
As for those who do not have the skills to handle more than on single broadcast format, are you really arguing that they are just as much "professionals" as those who can handle more than one task? Aren't those one-trick ponies who luck into a position where their limited skills happen to match the limited requirements of one specific job the antithesis of a true "professional"?
Frankly, you'd be a lot less offended when anyone says anything you disagree with about the radio industry if you weren't on the defensive and looking to find things to be offended by.
Perhaps you should not be so thin-skinned and on the defensive to read into what I wrote something that simple wasn't there. It is not "denigrating" the profession to observe that those in the profession should possess the necessary skills set to be able to handle a wider range of on-air duties than any one particular broadcast format might require at any one time. It is not "denigrating" a profession to state that a task that falls within the parameters of what any qualified member of the profession should be able to handle shouldn't be as difficult as "rocket science", since that cliche term is usually understood to be a task requiring an extreme level of skill above and beyond the ordinary.
And for the record, we are talking about the very slight difference of shifting from 'DVE's format to WSHH's format. Having listened to both stations, it strikes me that they have at least a 15% playlist overlap by song title, and around a 20% overlap by artist. We're not talking about switching from being a DJ to being a news reporter. It's not like she was shifting to an all-rap show on an urban station, or moving over to WQED and introducing symphonies and string quartets.
As for those who do not have the skills to handle more than on single broadcast format, are you really arguing that they are just as much "professionals" as those who can handle more than one task? Aren't those one-trick ponies who luck into a position where their limited skills happen to match the limited requirements of one specific job the antithesis of a true "professional"?
Frankly, you'd be a lot less offended when anyone says anything you disagree with about the radio industry if you weren't on the defensive and looking to find things to be offended by.
You make is sound like that's some sort of genetic capability. Making the transition from being a 'DVE style DJ to old-fashioned, talk-over-the-music isn't exactly rocket science. Any professional DJ is, first and foremost, a performer. And any performer should be able to make minor little adjustments to their performance.
Realist, I'm receptive to criticism, debate and assertion of views I disagree with. And, as noted in my earlier post, I thought you provided some great counterpoints to mine. While "isn't exactly rocket science" and "minor little adjustments" as used above may seem innocent, when considered in the context of your body of posts (fair game here in that they dominate much of the board) they come across as a continuation of the well-worn formatics-are-sonic-parsley, voice-tracking-can-replace-announcers, etc., arguments.
I'm willing to accept that I may have read more into your words than you meant; but when you carry your arguments to the degree you have elsewhere on this board, your words begin to carry implications which are presumably consistent with your other viewpoints. I'm done; we disagree.
Realist, I'm receptive to criticism, debate and assertion of views I disagree with. And, as noted in my earlier post, I thought you provided some great counterpoints to mine. While "isn't exactly rocket science" and "minor little adjustments" as used above may seem innocent, when considered in the context of your body of posts (fair game here in that they dominate much of the board) they come across as a continuation of the well-worn formatics-are-sonic-parsley, voice-tracking-can-replace-announcers, etc., arguments.
I'm willing to accept that I may have read more into your words than you meant; but when you carry your arguments to the degree you have elsewhere on this board, your words begin to carry implications which are presumably consistent with your other viewpoints. I'm done; we disagree.
Parttimer said:I'm not sure that's a good fit. Despite her time on 3WS, I don't think she has ever been a solo jock in an A/C format where you need to keep it moving and walk on intros. She's a DVE type... stop the music and talk as long as you need to.
I wish her the best, but I wouldn't have put her there....
I'm sure people thought the same thing when WSHH first put "Banana Don" Jefferson on the air during morning drive back in the early 90's. I think that what Ron Antill is looking for is instant name recognition and top of mind recall. When you have a top name like that, it's a good selling tool.
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Cris Winters is just a name of WDVE and now 3ws. (a part-time name at that). That is why Ron Antil hired her. Is she good enough to go head on with Michele Michaels? Absolutely not. Cris isn't as personable as Michele. She doesn't possess a mound of wit to her. She has always been a "that was, this is" deejay. Especially on WDVE. Based on that, I think she'll do what all WSHH jocks do, liner reader. Let's just hope they don't ask her to do news. She can't read a sentence without flubbing.
I never thought she was a good fit on 3ws. She may prove me wrong on WSHH and I hope she does. Having been on WDVE, I guess she can get a job anywhere.
As you can tell, I am not a Cris Winters fan. I'll stick with Michele.
Bob
I never thought she was a good fit on 3ws. She may prove me wrong on WSHH and I hope she does. Having been on WDVE, I guess she can get a job anywhere.
As you can tell, I am not a Cris Winters fan. I'll stick with Michele.
Bob
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As you can tell, I am not a Cris Winters fan. I'll stick with Michele.
I am a Marilyn Micheals fan. She's a female impressionist/stand-up comic from a few decades back.
I am also a Michele Micheals fan. I enjoy her show, especially the Electric Lunch. I think she's fairly good. And, she's not bad too look at in person, though I miss those white streaks.
I'm also not all that impressed with Cris Winter.
But, if Cris Winter plays a better selection of songs that I like than Michele Michaels plays, I'm listening to Cris.
I was also not a big Bonnie Diver fan, but until Bob came along, I'd listen to her show over Michele Michaels because I liked the songs they selected for her to play better than the songs that were selected for Michele to play.
Sorry, I know it rankles those of you who work in music radio to hear someone who actually listens to music radio tell the truth, which is that the old 'DVE liner from ago is dead-bang accurate-- "It's all about the music".
I am a Marilyn Micheals fan. She's a female impressionist/stand-up comic from a few decades back.
I am also a Michele Micheals fan. I enjoy her show, especially the Electric Lunch. I think she's fairly good. And, she's not bad too look at in person, though I miss those white streaks.
I'm also not all that impressed with Cris Winter.
But, if Cris Winter plays a better selection of songs that I like than Michele Michaels plays, I'm listening to Cris.
I was also not a big Bonnie Diver fan, but until Bob came along, I'd listen to her show over Michele Michaels because I liked the songs they selected for her to play better than the songs that were selected for Michele to play.
Sorry, I know it rankles those of you who work in music radio to hear someone who actually listens to music radio tell the truth, which is that the old 'DVE liner from ago is dead-bang accurate-- "It's all about the music".
I'll give you a better example of how some can't make the transition to a faster, tighter format.... remember Bogut on WTAE?
O'Brien and Garry had been top-40 jocks in their younger days, as were Brinkman, Quinn, Bob Dearborn and Don Berns. The station was tight and fast (Ted Atkins came from KHJ in LA). KDKA was a slow. sleepy, almost middle-of -the road station. Bogut, Pallan and Trish Beatty were pretty unstructured (or at least they sounded that way) and Bogut's show moved at a very gentle pace. Putting Jack into the WTAE's tight clocks with lots of elements and little free time just made him sound out of place.... and he was off to WSHH a few years later. And trust me, he's a bigger talent than Kris Winter will ever be.
O'Brien and Garry had been top-40 jocks in their younger days, as were Brinkman, Quinn, Bob Dearborn and Don Berns. The station was tight and fast (Ted Atkins came from KHJ in LA). KDKA was a slow. sleepy, almost middle-of -the road station. Bogut, Pallan and Trish Beatty were pretty unstructured (or at least they sounded that way) and Bogut's show moved at a very gentle pace. Putting Jack into the WTAE's tight clocks with lots of elements and little free time just made him sound out of place.... and he was off to WSHH a few years later. And trust me, he's a bigger talent than Kris Winter will ever be.
Mr. Geen said:Is she good enough to go head on with Michele Michaels?
How much audience sharing is there between WSHH and WDVE?
Parttimer said:I'll give you a better example of how some can't make the transition to a faster, tighter format.... remember Bogut on WTAE?
O'Brien and Garry had been top-40 jocks in their younger days, as were Brinkman, Quinn, Bob Dearborn and Don Berns. The station was tight and fast (Ted Atkins came from KHJ in LA). KDKA was a slow. sleepy, almost middle-of -the road station. Bogut, Pallan and Trish Beatty were pretty unstructured (or at least they sounded that way) and Bogut's show moved at a very gentle pace. Putting Jack into the WTAE's tight clocks with lots of elements and little free time just made him sound out of place.... and he was off to WSHH a few years later. And trust me, he's a bigger talent than Kris Winter will ever be.
Perhaps, but before Bogut was done at WTAE, they overhauled the mornings and let him do the "Breakfast Club" show at the pace he wanted. That didn't work, either. WTAE's mistake was thinking Bogut was Pittsburgh's morning habit. He wasn't. 1020 was.
Similar thing happened in Chicago when Wally Phillips left the morning shift at WGN after years of dominating the ratings. He swapped shifts with PM drive guy Bob Collins. Morning ratings stayed strong after the change, meanwhile Wally bombed in afternoons and was soon shunted off to a weeknd shift.
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How much audience sharing is there between WSHH and WDVE?
Are you talking about the way it is now, or how it might be after the management of WSHH makes some changes? Or don't you think WSHH will ever atempt to change it's mid-day approach to improve its numbers at the expense of any other station?
Are you talking about the way it is now, or how it might be after the management of WSHH makes some changes? Or don't you think WSHH will ever atempt to change it's mid-day approach to improve its numbers at the expense of any other station?
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