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KRTH Top 500 Countdown issues

DavidEduardo said:
I've seen this on specialty shows that go deep or focus on a particular aspect of music of the past, using MediaMonitor tracking, and those unfamiliar or only vaguely familiar songs are killers. End result: those specialty shows are gone, and ratings are up nearly 200%.

Specialty shows are not gone, look at the A to Z's on KRTH, CBS-FM, KLOS..etc.. CBS-FM does the top 101 British songs, JET 107.9 is doing the "One Hit Wonders" weekend now. Some really obscure stuff is being aired here; obscure meaning: songs not on everyday rotation.

Stations must have some variance in order to keep audiences tuning in week after week.
 
oldies76 said:
I've seen this on specialty shows that go deep or focus on a particular aspect of music of the past, using MediaMonitor tracking, and those unfamiliar or only vaguely familiar songs are killers. End result: those specialty shows are gone, and ratings are up nearly 200%.

Specialty shows are not gone, look at the A to Z's on KRTH, CBS-FM, KLOS..etc.

I told you "I have seen" meaning "in my experience." When I saw my numbers on specilty shows like I described, I worked with the PD to get rid of them instantly... the result was an immdiate (as in witin a month) increase in listening.

. CBS-FM does the top 101 British songs, JET 107.9 is doing the "One Hit Wonders" weekend now. Some really obscure stuff is being aired here; obscure meaning: songs not on everyday rotation.

I think as some PDs who do not yet understand the PPM we will see less of this crap which does not deliver to expectations, and does not perform well in PPM.

Stations must have some variance in order to keep audiences tuning in week after week.

No, in PPM it appears that consistency and fullfilling expectations each time a person tunes in is very significant, and things that are too far out are damaging. But, since most of these shows are at times when overall listening levels are very thin, it will take time for PDs to correctly analyze this.
 
scooty430 said:
Big picture, every song is unfamiliar to everybody at some point. The idea that you can never play unfamiliar songs is patently absurd. You have to.

People are more willing to accept the unfamiliar when they're younger. The older they become, the more set in their ways they become. Before you tell me, "Not me," let me say there are exceptions, and you may be one of them. Now do you want me playing "Tinkerbelle's Mind" by Glitterhouse? Probably not. I can tell you that the most die-hard 60s music fan has probably never heard it. I played it on the radio in the early 70s, but would never consider playing it now.

This generalization doesn't work in all formats. Country is a middle aged format that plays, on average, 10-20% new music. That's very high for a mature format. But country is not oldies. And there is an audience for country oldies who absolutely hates what the mainstream country format sounds like.

We may get to a point where music is SO individual that there can be no mass radio format that will work for large groups of people. Shared experience will become a thing of the past. You may be the last generation to know oldies radio. So THAT is the big picture.
 
oldies76 said:
observer8057 said:
Here’s a suggestion on how to “fix” KRTH. Pick up the phone and call Roy Laughlin. Tell him how much better you would do programming KRTH than Jhani Kaye. Your resume and insight are obviously so much stronger than his. I’m sure you could convince him that you can do a much better job than the current professional, successful guy who programs the station.

Jhani has a long track record of success. He has the experience. He has the brains. He has the talent. He understands the market. He understands targeting. He understands the audience. He understands the role and impact of PPM. He understands rotations. He understands flow. He understands talent–and works WITH them. He understands promotions. He understands programming. And he has the Midas touch in solidifying audience impact, as witness the success of every step of his career.

Be prepared to tell Roy and Dan Mason and all the suits in New York why your ideas and track record are so much better than Jhani’s. I’m sure they would be so glad to hear from you. While you’re at it, keep your computer locked on CBS New York so you can hear what you want. Meanwhile, don’t waste your time pining away about how much better you could make KRTH. I’m sure Roy is waiting for your call. Let us know how it turns out.!

Jhani (in his mind) is doing what's best for L.A. and is successful at it, yes. But compared to NYC, it's running way short. For years and years KRTH has presented L.A. with a very limited variety of big oldies and classic hits, too limited for our tastes.

The big thing here and the frustrating part, to be honest with you, is that we feel that L.A. is being cheated out of hundreds more, if not thousands of OTHER classic hits that KRTH refuses to play, because of it's tight playlist. KRTH's audience over the years since the late 80's have been duped into thinking (and getting used to) that these ARE THE ONLY OLDIES ON EARTH and therefore has accepted them as the only oldies, to their minds, that mostly ever exisited. And yes, they may be happy with that based on that theory, because of what people have heard and gotten used to for over 20 years on KRTH.

We know that more songs obviously existed and when one of these "rare on KRTH songs" get played, listeners will think: "wow, haven't heard that in a while" or "geez, I'd wish they would play more of these"

On NYC's WCBS, they rarely have to think that way, since they play them ALL to begin with. Great daily line-ups and by far, superior specialties.

Jhani could experiment a bit with the specialties at least and see what he could get away with. He'd be surprised at the results.

People always welcome changes and additions, not daily redundancy, repetition and boredom.

By the way, KRTH used to sound like a WCBS pre 1988 or so. Much bigger playlists and exciting and memorable themed specialties and weekends. Why they changed is a huge mystery beyond our imagination.

While it is little comfort, it is still comforting to know that I am not the only one who feels that oldies / classic hits radio programmers are missing the boat, not only at the horrible station (KJR-FM) we have here in Seattle. The sooner these bozos figure out that 60s and 70s belong together on one station, and 80s to 90s on another, the happier we all will be.
 
TheBigA said:
[Ha! How about Sukiyaki?

The 1963 #1 version of Sukiyaki is far better than the '81 version. Really, Kyu Sakamoto wasn't bad. How many top hits did he have in Japan?
 
SuperRadioFan said:
oldies76 said:
TheBigA said:
[Ha! How about Sukiyaki?

The 1963 #1 version of Sukiyaki is far better than the '81 version. Really, Kyu Sakamoto wasn't bad. How many top hits did he have in Japan?
And the original sounds especially fine in real stereo.

What I notice is the vocal has some hiss, while the orchestra is full and lush. I wonder if this was one of those Capitol remixes, as they did with the original Beatle records.
 
DavidEduardo said:
oldies76 said:
I've seen this on specialty shows that go deep or focus on a particular aspect of music of the past, using MediaMonitor tracking, and those unfamiliar or only vaguely familiar songs are killers. End result: those specialty shows are gone, and ratings are up nearly 200%.

Specialty shows are not gone, look at the A to Z's on KRTH, CBS-FM, KLOS..etc.

I told you "I have seen" meaning "in my experience." When I saw my numbers on specilty shows like I described, I worked with the PD to get rid of them instantly... the result was an immdiate (as in witin a month) increase in listening.

. CBS-FM does the top 101 British songs, JET 107.9 is doing the "One Hit Wonders" weekend now. Some really obscure stuff is being aired here; obscure meaning: songs not on everyday rotation.

I think as some PDs who do not yet understand the PPM we will see less of this crap which does not deliver to expectations, and does not perform well in PPM.

Stations must have some variance in order to keep audiences tuning in week after week.

No, in PPM it appears that consistency and fullfilling expectations each time a person tunes in is very significant, and things that are too far out are damaging. But, since most of these shows are at times when overall listening levels are very thin, it will take time for PDs to correctly analyze this.

It's really depressing to hear stories of you persuading PDs to reduce the playlists. Really depressing.

If you had your way, every station would play 200 songs over and over, (or maybe just 100) and there would be ZERO specials. Thank God not everyone listens to people like you!
 
TheBigA said:
Ha! How about Sukiyaki?

While we're going about driving away audiences, why not throw in Sakamoto's follow up, "China Nights"....which contained that truly profound lyric (in English), "She never talk about sayonara, she only talk about love"
 
scooty430 said:
It's really depressing to hear stories of you persuading PDs to reduce the playlists. Really depressing.

If you had your way, every station would play 200 songs over and over, (or maybe just 100) and there would be ZERO specials. Thank God not everyone listens to people like you!

The station, a Class A, is 5th in 25-54 and 6th in 18-49 aand 18-34 in LA in the last PPM book. It beats Jack by 1.1 shares and KRTH by 1.4 shares in 25-54, and has a larger library than either of them.

Find out what you are talking about before venturing opinions that are based on untrue data.
 
KEARTH has a much smaller play list than you think.



Joshua Escandon.com
 
I do not work at Sirius XM so I would not know, nor I have listened to Oldies on satellite. However, I do know quite a bit about working at Clear Channel, Premiere and CBS.


Joshua
 
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