KRTH Z to A Labor Day Weekend

[Domino Rippy]

I heard Dean Goss doing the Z to A weekend on KFRC San Fran. His website says he worked at Kearth 101, but when did he? Anybody remember or know?

 

[LKellerIII]

I heard Dean Goss doing the Z to A weekend on KFRC San Fran. His website says he worked at Kearth 101, but when did he? Anybody remember or know?

I'd guess it was a long time ago, because Goss has been working for CBS in San Francisco for at least a decade, mostly on KFRC, but first on low rated KYCY when it had a country format.

Or he could have filled in at KRTH during the year or so after CBS blew up 99.7/KFRC for MOViN, and before they brought KFRC back to their new frequency (106.9).

 

[jonbruce]

I recall Dean Goss being on 93.1 when it was oldies. I can't remember hearing him on KRTH. The 80's stations I have heard (That failed) all seem to zero in on one genre. I prefer a full spectrum of the researched Top 40 hits of the 80's and late 70's. Here at KDES-FM we are up to 1987 now.

 

[Bryan Simmons]

Dean worked mornings at KRTH from 1981 to about 1986. He's also worked at KCBS-FM in LA and has had several stints at KFRC-FM in San Francisco. I answered phones for him at KROY in Sacramento in 1976 when I was in high school and can tell you that he left KROY for KCBQ and later KGB in San Diego. I know that before KROY he was at 1260 KYA in SF as well. Plus he was also the off and sometimes on-camera announcer for Let's Make a Deal in the 80's.

 

[BACKnUSSR]

Is there any successful oldies station in America with 50's songs in rotation?

WCBS 101.1, mainly on weekends and weekday evenings

WCBS-FM does not have pre-1964 music in rotation, those that you hear are part of specialty countdowns or special "Hall Of Fame" spotlights.

 

[radio124]

The list is available on the KRTH website. There are 1199 songs. I used 36 sheets of paper to print the list.

 

[scooty430]

Is there any successful oldies station in America with 50's songs in rotation?

WCBS 101.1, mainly on weekends and weekday evenings

WCBS-FM does not have pre-1964 music in rotation, those that you hear are part of specialty countdowns or special "Hall Of Fame" spotlights.

Wrong. Check the playlist regularly, and you'll see they have quite a bit of pre-64, granted not as much as a decade ago.

 

[scooty430]

Is there any successful oldies station in America with 50's songs in rotation??

Yes, WCBS has 50's songs in regular rotation. Not a ton, but they're there, and not just for specialty shows.

All subjective. Whitesnake, Journey and REO Speedwagon (all bands born in the 70's) probably sold more records and had bigger fanbases than many of the bands of the 60's and 70's you'd call "great".

All three of those bands had their biggest hits in the 80's. I would hold them up as 80's corporate shlock, not 70's corporate shlock. I'd also say that they are exactly what I'm talking about. They are bad, but not campy fun bad. Just boring bad.

I don't think any of them sold more records than Elvis, the Beatles, or Led Zeppelin, either.

Like "With Or Without You", "Born In The USA", "When Doves Cry", "Every Breath You Take", "Welcome To The Jungle"???

It's all subjective, but looking at those tunes, I'd say that, yes, they are strong tunes. I personally bought most of those albums.

But they aren't "Hey Jude."

And some are a bit polarizing, like U2, the Boss, Prince, and especially GNR. They don't have the same broad appeal.

I would also argue there are FAR fewer timeless tunes from the 80's.

Take a weekly countdown from the 60s and put it against the 80s. You'll see what I mean.

 

[davideduardo]

Take a weekly countdown from the 60s and put it against the 80s. You'll see what I mean.

Yeah, if you grew up in the 80's, the 60's list sucks big time. If you grew up in the 60's, you may find both eras have good stuff you still enjoy hearing.

But mostly, if you grew up in the 60's or 70's or 80's and have moved on, you don't want a steady diet of yesterday's music which explains why classic hits gets a 3 share in LA.

 

[scooty430]

Take a weekly countdown from the 60s and put it against the 80s. You'll see what I mean.

Yeah, if you grew up in the 80's, the 60's list sucks big time. If you grew up in the 60's, you may find both eras have good stuff you still enjoy hearing.

But mostly, if you grew up in the 60's or 70's or 80's and have moved on, you don't want a steady diet of yesterday's music which explains why classic hits gets a 3 share in LA.

I grew up in the 80s. Overall, it sucked then, and sucks now.

I love the 60s.....and growing up in suburban Boston, most kids liked the bands of the 60s and the 70s more than the then-current junk. I'd say the Dead, Dylan, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Doors, and the Stones were EASILY the biggest bands in my high school......graduated 1986.

C'mon.....Culture Club? Get serious.

 

[davideduardo]

I grew up in the 80s. Overall, it sucked then, and sucks now.

I love the 60s.....and growing up in suburban Boston, most kids liked the bands of the 60s and the 70s more than the then-current junk. I'd say the Dead, Dylan, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Doors, and the Stones were EASILY the biggest bands in my high school......graduated 1986.

C'mon.....Culture Club? Get serious.

You are using your personal taste and that of people you are compatible with to generalize. Most people don¿t listen to oldies, classic hits or 80's hits (in other words, the "white" pop hits of each of the three decades). But, and the numbers prove it, people who grew up in each decade pretty overwhelmingly do not have as much interest in subsequent decades, and no interest in prior ones.

 

[scooty430]

I grew up in the 80s. Overall, it sucked then, and sucks now.

I love the 60s.....and growing up in suburban Boston, most kids liked the bands of the 60s and the 70s more than the then-current junk. I'd say the Dead, Dylan, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Doors, and the Stones were EASILY the biggest bands in my high school......graduated 1986.

C'mon.....Culture Club? Get serious.

You are using your personal taste and that of people you are compatible with to generalize. Most people don¿t listen to oldies, classic hits or 80's hits (in other words, the "white" pop hits of each of the three decades). But, and the numbers prove it, people who grew up in each decade pretty overwhelmingly do not have as much interest in subsequent decades, and no interest in prior ones.

Huh?

How do you explain that KRTH is #3 in the ratings then? And that JACK is way up there too?

How do you explain that WCBS is, what, #1?

Please give me some of whatever you are smoking, it sounds like good stuff.

 

[MusicMaestro]

I grew up in the 80s. Overall, it sucked then, and sucks now.

I love the 60s.....and growing up in suburban Boston, most kids liked the bands of the 60s and the 70s more than the then-current junk. I'd say the Dead, Dylan, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Doors, and the Stones were EASILY the biggest bands in my high school......graduated 1986.

C'mon.....Culture Club? Get serious.

You are using your personal taste and that of people you are compatible with to generalize. Most people don¿t listen to oldies, classic hits or 80's hits (in other words, the "white" pop hits of each of the three decades). But, and the numbers prove it, people who grew up in each decade pretty overwhelmingly do not have as much interest in subsequent decades, and no interest in prior ones.

David, I do not agree with part of your statement: I, having been born during the 50's, have listened to Big Band/Swing music for years, & have enjoyed immensely. In addition, I have for the same amount of time that "American Top 40" has been around(38+ years, to date), kept a weekly chart of the current music scape, though it's currently a Top 20 chart, as opposed to previous years, when it was a Top 40, then a Top 30, then a Top 25, before its current form.
There are many people who enjoy good records despite what decade they many have originated(trust me on this, I have spoken to many people younger than myself, who do enjoy much of the music from the 50's, 60's & 70's, when they are exposed to it!) Just because a person is not a part of the radio rating bunch, does not mean that there isn't an audience for that kind of stuff. One of the reasons why people have flocked to slacker.com, youtube, ilike, pandora, etc., is BECAUSE people like that stuff & want to hear it! If you need proof, attended a few concerts of acts from the 70's (KISS, Aerosmith, The Eagles, to name a few) & see the different generations that are in the audience having a good-ol' time! During interviews, the artists more often than not, bring up the fact that their audiences are suprisingly diverse! Just keep in mind, D, that many, many people who are radio listeners aren't a part of the rating meters game. ;D ;D

 

[davideduardo]

David, I do not agree with part of your statement: I, having been born during the 50's, have listened to Big Band/Swing music for years, & have enjoyed immensely.

As I said, there are exceptions. I was born before you, and I can think of nothing more annoying than big band and the Doris Day type singers of the era. But I know that some people in my age group feel differently.

We are discussing broadcasting here, so the tastes of small groups and individuals just can't be taken into account unless they are discovered to be a large and salable demographic set.

There are many people who enjoy good records despite what decade they many have originated(trust me on this, I have spoken to many people younger than myself, who do enjoy much of the music from the 50's, 60's & 70's, when they are exposed to it!) Just because a person is not a part of the radio rating bunch, does not mean that there isn't an audience for that kind of stuff.

Be careful with the word "many." Were "many" under-35's in love with 60's Top 40 songs, then Oldies stations would have had lots of under 35 listeners. They didn't, and the ones they had were mostly people who "had to listen" when somebody else controlled the radio.

One thing is for a person to accept a particular kind of music and another is to seek it out.

One of the reasons why people have flocked to slacker.com, youtube, ilike, pandora, etc., is BECAUSE people like that stuff & want to hear it! If you need proof, attended a few concerts of acts from the 70's (KISS, Aerosmith, The Eagles, to name a few) & see the different generations that are in the audience having a good-ol' time! During interviews, the artists more often than not, bring up the fact that their audiences are suprisingly diverse! Just keep in mind, D, that many, many people who are radio listeners aren't a part of the rating meters game.

To sell advertising, radio has to follow the ratings. Whether there is a difference between non participants in the ratings and poarticipants can be argued all day, but the fact is that radio has to program to the ratings.

I would say, though, that only the concerts of crossover bands get a broad audience at concerts... in this case, crossover means that they transcend the normal age appeal of their contemporaries because they became so universal.

 

[davideduardo]

How do you explain that KRTH is #3 in the ratings then? And that JACK is way up there too?

KRTH is 15th in 18-49, and in persons 55+ it is #1. The KRTH listener is quite old, and most are out of the sales demos.

Jack is aimed at 35-54, and in 55+ it is 15th, in 18-49 it is 3rd, and in 18-34 it is 11th. So almost all its PPM audience is, as I said, 34-54... where on review, we find it is #1. That figures, if you look at the music.

How do you explain that WCBS is, what, #1?

It's not even #1 12+ (as if anyone looks at 12+ for sales). In 18-49, CBS-FM is 12th. But in 55+, it is #3, after two talkers. In 12+ it is third, but as you can see, in the under-50 demos it is way way behind.

Please give me some of whatever you are smoking, it sounds like good stuff.

Yours are the conclusions of peeps who are missing fundamental data.

 

[oldies76]

Most people don¿t listen to oldies, classic hits or 80's hits (in other words, the "white" pop hits of each of the three decades). But, and the numbers prove it, people who grew up in each decade pretty overwhelmingly do not have as much interest in subsequent decades, and no interest in prior ones.

David..........You are wrong in this subject as usual. Oldies and classic hits is generally the music of choice for listeners mainly 30's onward with some exceptions of course.

My two young (11 & 13) nephews much prefer classic rock of the 70's and 80's, than the current stuff by new artists TODAY. The last time I saw them (July), they were tuning into the Doors, Beatles, Steffenwolf, Led Zeppelin..etc..

Lots of people I come across PREFER the music from years past..not the RAP, not the screaming heavy metal rock, not today's contemporary hits, not today's teen music, not even some of today's R & B.

Where are you getting this data...that most people do not listen to hits from the past?? As Scooty430 mentions..WCBS is #1 in NYC...a city and suburb with a population of 19,750,000, according to Wikipedia. If CBS-FM is #1, then what does that tell you?? that most do not listen to oldies, classic hits and 80's music? C'mon!

Why would a station that is #1, risk it and play thousands of "stiffs" as you call them in A to Z order? Something must be working here.

 

[oldies76]

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[oldies76]

Scooty: In Socal last week and heard San Diego's Walrus 105.7..great tunes down south, picked up well in South O.C. What's your take on this new station with it's classic hits. Also KOLA 99.9 is sounding great too!

So much to hear on these two great stations..no time for KRTH. Could not help but mention these while listening to CBS-FM's 1978 countdown tonight!

 

[BACKnUSSR]

Where are you getting this data...that most people do not listen to hits from the past?? As Scooty430 mentions..WCBS is #1 in NYC...a city and suburb with a population of 19,750,000, according to Wikipedia. If CBS-FM is #1, then what does that tell you?? that most do not listen to oldies, classic hits and 80's music? C'mon!

WCBS-FM is not #1 in ANY demo in the NY Metro.

 

[BACKnUSSR]

I love the 60s.....and growing up in suburban Boston, most kids liked the bands of the 60s and the 70s more than the then-current junk. I'd say the Dead, Dylan, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Beatles, the Doors, and the Stones were EASILY the biggest bands in my high school......graduated 1986.

Two things.....

1) Boston (and suburban Boston) MUST take responsibility for New Kids On The Block.

2) Both Top 40's throughout the 80's, WXKS and WZOU, outcumed, outranked and out performed any radio station playing music of the 60's and 70's in the Boston market (including Oldies and Classic Rock).