He forgets about those things called "mountains" to the north & east of KSCO 
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End quote from that news article: "I’ve been painted as the bad guy, when I should be getting a medal.”
Bad guy? For running a station for decades without proper authorization?
SMH
It's the most optimistic coverage estimate I think I've ever seen.He forgets about those things called "mountains" to the north & east of KSCO
Well, that's not even mentioned in the piece.
I was in Walnut Creek for a short while & the old KPAY 1060 had a much better signal there.
I remember since I worked for the owners of KPAY KPNW KBOI at the time.
I remember since I worked for the owners of KPAY KPNW KBOI at the time.
I used to be able to hear it during the day when I lived in Sacramento on a GE Superadio… albeit not that well.
And, if I remember correctly, that was a while ago, so a lower noise floor...
But "north of Sacramento and south of Bakersfield" daytime?
That's the answer to the question "what would the reception for KNX be if we moved the stick from Torrance to Madera?"
Yes that was long long ago.
Interesting thought about KNX from Madera. It’s not the best part of the Central Valley for ground conductivity, but I could almost picture coverage from south of Bakersfield to north of Sacramento at least for radio geeks.
50,000 watts at 1070? Maybe. 10,000 at 1080? Not a chance.
KYNO 940's 50kw does Bakersfield to Sacramento with no problem. Their4 tower array is on good ground, closer to Visalia than to Fresno.
And that’s 50kw at 940, not 10kw at 1080.
It occurs to me that you may have been commenting on my "maybe" to KNX covering that area, not to KSCO's owner's claim.
Still, at 50 kw with comparable ground conductivity, I think 940 has an advantage over 1070. @DavidEduardo has outlined the power/frequency equation here a bunch of times and I still can't seem to memorize it.
Welcome to 2023, and all of that...
I'm just curious to know if these AM 'daytimer' stations are still on the air. Given their state of affairs, my bet would be 'has anything changed?'
50 kw on 1600 will bareley equal the coverage of 1 kw on 550, given identical transmitter locations and electrical wavelength of towers.
Okay, so because math is hard, how much of advantage would 50kw have at 940 over the same power at 1070?
About 10% to 12%, I think. The difference in coverage vs. frequency is relatively linear.
@frankberry
Some simplistic (algebraic-level mathematics) that shows how that's derived might also be helpful.
At some point, there needs to be a FAQ thread in the engineering section of the forum. This really should be an early entry into that thread.
Some simplistic (algebraic-level mathematics) that shows how that's derived might also be helpful.
Another reason comparing 940 & 1070 signal is not valid. 1070 is non-directional 24/7 and 940 is directional 24/7.
KYNO's day & night pattern puts most of the signal up & down the Central Valley & out to the coast Not must to the east.
KYNO's day & night pattern puts most of the signal up & down the Central Valley & out to the coast Not must to the east.
940 can boom in up here 2500 miles away. 1070 fights with CFAX near vancouver
Two aerial lights at the Live Oak radio station KSCO-AM 1080 stopped working in recent days because of a flood in Corcoran Lagoon, the station’s owner said.
Recent rain, large surf and high tides helped build a sand bank on the beach near East Cliff and Coastview drives. It trapped water in the lagoon from reaching the ocean and pooled water across East Cliff Drive, prompting the road to be closed for more than a week, said Santa Cruz County Public Works Director John Presleigh.
Saturday, KSCO Owner Michael Zwerling wanted to breach the lagoon to the ocean to prevent more equipment damage, but he was told by Public Works leaders that he needed a permit or emergency designation from the California Coastal Commission because of a protected fish in Corcoran Lagoon. But he did it anyway, momentarily breaching the lagoon with a shovel until sheriff’s deputies stopped him.
Thankfully for Zwerling, the lagoon breached itself late Sunday night or early Monday morning and brought down the lagoon’s water level. Yet he said Monday that questions remain if the lagoon floods again and he’s prevented from protecting his business.
“This has never happened before in the almost 25 years I’ve owned the station,” Zwerling said of the flood and damaged equipment.
“Every time we try to do something to maintain our facility, we run in to problems with the government.”
Noaki Schwartz, a spokeswoman for the Coastal Commission, said Monday that digging a trench to drain the lagoon “would constitute ‘development’ as that term is defined by the Coastal Act, and would therefore require a coastal development permit.”
Schwartz also said it is “farily likely” that the protected tidewater goby fish is in the lagoon, which would be another reason why draining the lagoon would require a permit.
Emergency permits also are available to protect lives, health, property and essential public services, Schwartz said.
The station’s studios and equipment are on the an inland edge of the lagoon at 2300 Portola Drive in Live Oak. The damaged lights warn aircraft pilots of the radio poles and are required by the Federal Aviation Administration.
After noting the damage, Zwerling on Saturday recorded and aired a radio message about the situation. About 1 p.m. that day, he and a few others from the station took shovels and dug a shallow trench from the lagoon to the ocean to let the water flow, Zwerling said.
Someone called Santa Cruz County sheriff’s deputies, and a small crowd gathered. They told Zwerling and the others to stop digging, and they did. No one was ticketed or arrested, said sheriff’s Sgt. Mitch Medina.
“Everybody in the government was a gentleman to us. They weren’t bad people, they were doing their jobs. But they’re stupid jobs,” Zwerling said.
Monday, a repair crew worked to fix the aerial lights at the station. Nothing else was damaged.
Zwerling said KSCO studio was built at Corcoran Lagoon in 1947 in part because the water boosts its 10,000-watt signal roughly by a factor of five. He noted that the station has provided news and information for residents during big storms and other emergencies.
Zwerling and Presleigh, the public works director, said Monday that they hope to work with the Coastal Commission on a long-term solution.
“Normally it breaches on its own,” Presleigh said of the lagoon.
“We’ll meet with the Coastal Commission and work something out.”
Recent rain, large surf and high tides helped build a sand bank on the beach near East Cliff and Coastview drives. It trapped water in the lagoon from reaching the ocean and pooled water across East Cliff Drive, prompting the road to be closed for more than a week, said Santa Cruz County Public Works Director John Presleigh.
Saturday, KSCO Owner Michael Zwerling wanted to breach the lagoon to the ocean to prevent more equipment damage, but he was told by Public Works leaders that he needed a permit or emergency designation from the California Coastal Commission because of a protected fish in Corcoran Lagoon. But he did it anyway, momentarily breaching the lagoon with a shovel until sheriff’s deputies stopped him.
Thankfully for Zwerling, the lagoon breached itself late Sunday night or early Monday morning and brought down the lagoon’s water level. Yet he said Monday that questions remain if the lagoon floods again and he’s prevented from protecting his business.
“This has never happened before in the almost 25 years I’ve owned the station,” Zwerling said of the flood and damaged equipment.
“Every time we try to do something to maintain our facility, we run in to problems with the government.”
Noaki Schwartz, a spokeswoman for the Coastal Commission, said Monday that digging a trench to drain the lagoon “would constitute ‘development’ as that term is defined by the Coastal Act, and would therefore require a coastal development permit.”
Schwartz also said it is “farily likely” that the protected tidewater goby fish is in the lagoon, which would be another reason why draining the lagoon would require a permit.
Emergency permits also are available to protect lives, health, property and essential public services, Schwartz said.
The station’s studios and equipment are on the an inland edge of the lagoon at 2300 Portola Drive in Live Oak. The damaged lights warn aircraft pilots of the radio poles and are required by the Federal Aviation Administration.
After noting the damage, Zwerling on Saturday recorded and aired a radio message about the situation. About 1 p.m. that day, he and a few others from the station took shovels and dug a shallow trench from the lagoon to the ocean to let the water flow, Zwerling said.
Someone called Santa Cruz County sheriff’s deputies, and a small crowd gathered. They told Zwerling and the others to stop digging, and they did. No one was ticketed or arrested, said sheriff’s Sgt. Mitch Medina.
“Everybody in the government was a gentleman to us. They weren’t bad people, they were doing their jobs. But they’re stupid jobs,” Zwerling said.
Monday, a repair crew worked to fix the aerial lights at the station. Nothing else was damaged.
Zwerling said KSCO studio was built at Corcoran Lagoon in 1947 in part because the water boosts its 10,000-watt signal roughly by a factor of five. He noted that the station has provided news and information for residents during big storms and other emergencies.
Zwerling and Presleigh, the public works director, said Monday that they hope to work with the Coastal Commission on a long-term solution.
“Normally it breaches on its own,” Presleigh said of the lagoon.
“We’ll meet with the Coastal Commission and work something out.”
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