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KSHE SUCKS

I am not that crazy or implying the RS group is a 'underworld' gang, but just as the GRAMMY awards and EMMY awards and ACADEMY awards are more 'in house' on who gets in or kept out, that's how the R&R HOF has become.. Artsy, but not in a bad way.. If you look at sales and the other extremes, then groups that will get an honorable mention would be in the mix.... Just an observation of 30 plus years in this stuff from: radio to management to concert promotion, etc... If the Chi-Guys don't get in, I won't cry....But, just feel they've endured a multi-formated world in a very worthy way... Just an OPINION and not a prophet in any statement... We all have OPIONIONS and I protect everyone's right to 'express themselves'...Can you tell I wouldn't like the return of the fairness doctrine??? ;D
 
Some cheese for that whine??

If you hate KSHE so much, why do you keep listening?

I doubt they'll take posts on a board over the solid 5-share they keep pulling (and that's 12+ -- the demos look even better!)
 
Re: Some cheese for that whine??

pbf1 said:
If you hate KSHE so much, why do you keep listening?

I doubt they'll take posts on a board over the solid 5-share they keep pulling (and that's 12+ -- the demos look even better!)
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Marketing to the "Masses".... whether they have good taste or not.... is irrelevant to advertisers. If you have good taste, you are not in the majority, and hence are marginalized by Business modles.... Sucks doesn't it !

Radio song selections.... pleasing the masses !

Whatever happened to radio being a means to uplift beyond the latest pop singer (insert genre here..)
 
never said it

I never said they were marketing tp the masses - they clearly aren't.

But if broad measurement indicates success, then certainly there's even greater specific success at the target!
 
Re: Some cheese for that whine??

pbf1 said:
If you hate KSHE so much, why do you keep listening?

I doubt they'll take posts on a board over the solid 5-share they keep pulling (and that's 12+ -- the demos look even better!)
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You can't ignore those ratings. I'll give you that. I'm a fan of radio and listen to many stations when I am not listening to sat radio. Sat radio sux too.

The reason they do THAT well is that they've been around forever. Pick a market and I will show you a SHOW or STATION that sucks that does well, only because they've been there for decades. PERIOD. Ratings doesn't = greatness anymore. People are lazy sheep and write down the 1st thing that comes to mind. Pick a product. Pick a TV show. Anything that does well started out as a GREAT entity or the ONLY entity and they have ridden that over years. If a REAL Active Rock signed on in this area, marketed itself in the proper fashion, this city would soak it up like a sponge, but it would take a long while of dedication by a company for it to shine ratings-wise.
 
Re: Some cheese for that whine??

radiopoopoo said:
If a REAL Active Rock signed on in this area, marketed itself in the proper fashion, this city would soak it up like a sponge, but it would take a long while of dedication by a company for it to shine ratings-wise.
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Well, let's see...when did Sunny 105.7 go from Lite AC to "The Point"?
(circa 93 94)? Dude, it's been done....and it's been around a LONG
time. It's called 105.7 The Point. St. Louis attempt at "real active rock". I was
there in St. Louis when it came on. Big whoop. Flamed popular for awhile
then burned out. Unfortunately, the market didn't "soak it up like a
sponge", no one cared, and they've been tanking ever since. It's just the
way the town is. They don't like or embrace change, and it's something
residents and programmers get used to (if they're smart). That's why
"new" stations have so much trouble staying afloat in the ratings game.
I know, because I remember back when Kix 106 came along with the
"New Country" format. Although it was a great format, we had the
damndest time playing second fiddle to WIL, because everyone who
listened to country listened to WIL, and had been for ages. Another reason
KMOX has had the news/talk (and ratings) lions share for years. Just like the
song "That's just the way it is. Some things will never change".
 
The POINT is #2 in the mornings. #1 in the mid days. #1 in the afternoons 18-34 and better with MEN 18-34. If an active rock came on it could share the pie. The Point has rebounded nicely.
 
KHRE, talk about a girlie format. The hair band era was probably the worst time ever in Rock & Roll. It was senseless, Meaningless chatter about love that caters to women. To be honest PooPoo I would take Boston over that junk anyday.

That being said, I think that your suggestion for a good rocker with Disturbed and that kind of stuff mixed in with some of the harder kick butt classic AOR stuff would be great! I grew up in the seventies and eighties and I still rock on the classics as well as korn, disturbed and the stuff of today.

The problem has always been that most people don't realize that you can mix all GOOD rock & roll in such a way that it would appeal to both young and older ROCKERS!

But rememeber I said GOOD ROCK & ROLL!
 
Alot of medium market "Active Rock" stations are doing just that.. We have it at Regent's 103/GBF in Evansville and they've been doing it for 20 years on the FM side.. It can be done with targeted/demo success... ;)
 
Well, I hate to break this to you, but KSHE is #1 25-54. You are, apparently, part of an incredibly small minority.

Enjoy the iPod!
 
Some Guy said:
Just a warning: I am an impartial voice here, but you say "I have been in radio for close to 20 years. KSHE's playlist consists of stuff I have never eveb HEARD!"? Looking at 16 songs they played from Midnight to 2 am; you're trying to tell me you've never "eveb" heard of:
"RIGHT NOW" - VAN HALEN
"LONELY IS THE NIGHT" - BILLY SQUIER
"BARK AT THE MOON" - OZZY OSBOURNE
"PEARL NECKLACE" - ZZ TOP
"HOME SWEET HOME" - MOTLEY CRUE
"WALK THIS WAY" - AEROSMITH
"WHO MADE WHO" - AC/DC
"SPOONMAN" - SOUNDGARDEN
"COMFORTABLY NUMB" - PINK FLOYD
"POISON" - ALICE COOPER
"IMMIGRANT SONG" - LED ZEPPELIN
"YOU COULD BE MINE" - GUNS AND ROSES
"FOOLIN" - DEF LEPPARD
"LITHIUM" - NIRVANA
"AND THE CRADLE WILL ROCK" - VAN HALEN
"FEELIN SATISFIED" - BOSTON
???
Where have you been working radio for 20 years? Under a rock?

Given, their playlist is tired, but so is every rock station that used to be an AOR. Too many opinions from too many people and not nearly enough risks (Ironically, what the whole AOR format was founded on).
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Actually, I find that list of songs quite boring and predictible. I'd prefer to hear songs I'd never even heard of before. That would be more interesting. People say rock is dead. I have to wonder sometimes. Rock stations are scared to play anything new. No wonder the kids listen mostly to hip hop nowadays.
 
pbf1 said:
Ciao said:
I'd prefer to hear songs I'd never even heard of before.
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That makes you TREMENDOUSLY UNLIKE most radio listeners.
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One of the biggest complaints about radio is that they overplay everything. People are tired of the same old same old. That's why Jack style stations had success in some markets. KSHE's playlist just demonstrates that rock is dead. Rock stations are holidng on desperately to their aging baby boomer audiences with tired, bland olides, while at the same time alienating younger listeners.
 
Ciao said:
One of the biggest complaints about radio is that they overplay everything. People are tired of the same old same old. That's why Jack style stations had success in some markets.
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Jack is just DIFFERENT old. It's still OLD.

Speaking of old, I see KLOU up there. And KEZK. Real cutting edge THERE!

Fact is, the people want to hear what THEY want to hear. The only repetition they're tired of is that of particular titles they don't want to hear.

KSHE is a M25-54 monster. Lots of $$$ there.

Back to your earlier post: show me a station that's successful when playing largely unfamiliar titles.
 
pbf1 said:
Ciao said:
One of the biggest complaints about radio is that they overplay everything. People are tired of the same old same old. That's why Jack style stations had success in some markets.
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Jack is just DIFFERENT old. It's still OLD.

Speaking of old, I see KLOU up there. And KEZK. Real cutting edge THERE!

Fact is, the people want to hear what THEY want to hear. The only repetition they're tired of is that of particular titles they don't want to hear.

KSHE is a M25-54 monster. Lots of $$$ there.

Back to your earlier post: show me a station that's successful when playing largely unfamiliar titles.
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First off I never suggested a station should play nothing but unfamiliar titles.
Secondly the repetition is proof enough that listeners are tired of the same old same old.
Any other questions: just look at the listeners not tuning into terrestrial radio. They get satellite, they listen on the internet. Most likely, they get their music from iPods. The radio industry is focusing on dinosaurs. Sure KSHE is White male monster 25-54. It wont' be among the new generation, they are tuning a deaf ear to rock or chosing their iPods.
 
pbf1 said:
Ciao said:
I'd prefer to hear songs I'd never even heard of before.
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That makes you TREMENDOUSLY UNLIKE most radio listeners.
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"Most" radio listeners.... That sounds very much like "the ignorant masses".

The "Top 4o" crowd as we used to call them.

When Zeppelin still sells Millions of albums..... the people buying those albums are not buying them to hear "Immigrant Song".....

The irony of "broad"casting is that it's musical focus is so narrow!

Rock is wonderful and great.

Classic Rock is for the shallow masses of all ages.

Let there be Classic Rock.

But for those of us that are not shallow....

LET THERE BE ROCK ! !

Oh, but wait, the it's the advertisers that determine the playlists.

So, I guess you better write, call, fax, and e-mail Anheuser-Busch and see if they would be willing to support something other than the lowest common denominator....

Not likely that they would. That is the corporate view of society!

Corporatism.... How do you like it ? ? ? ?
 
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