Not to mention it sounds absolutely awful for such a prestigious station to be IDing with some schlock suburb, but I do believe "This is KSL-AM and -FM, Midvale Salt Lake City" is not a legal ID. The AM is licensed to Salt Lake City, which should come first, after the call letters "KSL". Midvale should come after "KSL-FM", the licensed calls for 102.7, ie "This is KSL Salt Lake City, KSL-FM Midvale". I guess the FCC doesn't care and the listener doesn't know what the deal is, but isn't Bonneville in error?
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KSL... please learn how to ID
- Thread starter ajhenderson
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> Not to mention it sounds absolutely awful for such a
> prestigious station to be IDing with some schlock suburb,
> but I do believe "This is KSL-AM and -FM, Midvale Salt Lake
> City" is not a legal ID. The AM is licensed to Salt Lake
> City, which should come first, after the call letters "KSL".
> Midvale should come after "KSL-FM", the licensed calls for
> 102.7, ie "This is KSL Salt Lake City, KSL-FM Midvale". I
> guess the FCC doesn't care and the listener doesn't know
> what the deal is, but isn't Bonneville in error?
Sure, but the FCC doesn't care much these days. They've been doing not quite legal ID's for years. Almost every day Doug Wright would ID as "KSL in Salt Lake City". Wrong Doug.
But yeah, that train wreck is pretty bad.
> prestigious station to be IDing with some schlock suburb,
> but I do believe "This is KSL-AM and -FM, Midvale Salt Lake
> City" is not a legal ID. The AM is licensed to Salt Lake
> City, which should come first, after the call letters "KSL".
> Midvale should come after "KSL-FM", the licensed calls for
> 102.7, ie "This is KSL Salt Lake City, KSL-FM Midvale". I
> guess the FCC doesn't care and the listener doesn't know
> what the deal is, but isn't Bonneville in error?
Sure, but the FCC doesn't care much these days. They've been doing not quite legal ID's for years. Almost every day Doug Wright would ID as "KSL in Salt Lake City". Wrong Doug.
But yeah, that train wreck is pretty bad.
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Ed_Walker
Guest
In the end, does it really matter?
> Not to mention it sounds absolutely awful for such a
> prestigious station to be IDing with some schlock suburb,
> but I do believe "This is KSL-AM and -FM, Midvale Salt Lake
> City" is not a legal ID. The AM is licensed to Salt Lake
> City, which should come first, after the call letters "KSL".
> Midvale should come after "KSL-FM", the licensed calls for
> 102.7, ie "This is KSL Salt Lake City, KSL-FM Midvale". I
> guess the FCC doesn't care and the listener doesn't know
> what the deal is, but isn't Bonneville in error?
>
> Not to mention it sounds absolutely awful for such a
> prestigious station to be IDing with some schlock suburb,
> but I do believe "This is KSL-AM and -FM, Midvale Salt Lake
> City" is not a legal ID. The AM is licensed to Salt Lake
> City, which should come first, after the call letters "KSL".
> Midvale should come after "KSL-FM", the licensed calls for
> 102.7, ie "This is KSL Salt Lake City, KSL-FM Midvale". I
> guess the FCC doesn't care and the listener doesn't know
> what the deal is, but isn't Bonneville in error?
>
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Ed_Walker
Guest
> From a practical standpoint, no. From a regulatory
> standpoint, yes. The FCC regulations require legal ID's.
> Until such time as those regulations change, they are
> required to be followed.
The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
ridiculous and anal.
And yes, my analysis of the over analysis is likewise.
> And please don't top post.
Just as you, I was responding to the original poster,
not to anyone else.
> standpoint, yes. The FCC regulations require legal ID's.
> Until such time as those regulations change, they are
> required to be followed.
The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
ridiculous and anal.
And yes, my analysis of the over analysis is likewise.
> And please don't top post.
Just as you, I was responding to the original poster,
not to anyone else.
> The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
> ridiculous and anal.
Perhaps, but there's a method to the madness. If we were to simply start ignoring the rules, why stop there? Why not push KHTB and KKAT-FM to 200kw. I'm sure that would help their coverage area quite a bit. Or just move them to Farnsworth, short spacing be damned.
Ya gotta follow the rules and KSL ain't.
> ridiculous and anal.
Perhaps, but there's a method to the madness. If we were to simply start ignoring the rules, why stop there? Why not push KHTB and KKAT-FM to 200kw. I'm sure that would help their coverage area quite a bit. Or just move them to Farnsworth, short spacing be damned.
Ya gotta follow the rules and KSL ain't.
> The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
> ridiculous and anal.
What are we supposed to discuss... Katie Holmes' pregnancy? While this may not be at the top of the list to listeners, radio people, or the FCC, it does show that a large radio company, in its hometown, doesn't even know the same basic law that 18-yr old broadcast school students know. It's not hard to have a legal ID, and it SOUNDS BETTER, too. Therefore, you'd think if they had a clue, they would do it.
Just because the FCC doesn't care shouldn't mean we should throw the rulebook away. Some drunken women was shouting in front of my home at 3am this morning, and the police never came by the time I had to leave. That doesn't mean we should all go get trashed and shout in the streets in the middle of the night. Besides, the FCC doesn't really care about alot of important things these days, other than people talking about "pee-pees".
> ridiculous and anal.
What are we supposed to discuss... Katie Holmes' pregnancy? While this may not be at the top of the list to listeners, radio people, or the FCC, it does show that a large radio company, in its hometown, doesn't even know the same basic law that 18-yr old broadcast school students know. It's not hard to have a legal ID, and it SOUNDS BETTER, too. Therefore, you'd think if they had a clue, they would do it.
Just because the FCC doesn't care shouldn't mean we should throw the rulebook away. Some drunken women was shouting in front of my home at 3am this morning, and the police never came by the time I had to leave. That doesn't mean we should all go get trashed and shout in the streets in the middle of the night. Besides, the FCC doesn't really care about alot of important things these days, other than people talking about "pee-pees".
> > The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
> > ridiculous and anal.
>
> Perhaps, but there's a method to the madness. If we were to
> simply start ignoring the rules, why stop there? Why not
> push KHTB and KKAT-FM to 200kw. I'm sure that would help
> their coverage area quite a bit. Or just move them to
> Farnsworth, short spacing be damned.
>
> Ya gotta follow the rules and KSL ain't.
Ironically, it seems that KSL has fixed their ID's. When they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
> > ridiculous and anal.
>
> Perhaps, but there's a method to the madness. If we were to
> simply start ignoring the rules, why stop there? Why not
> push KHTB and KKAT-FM to 200kw. I'm sure that would help
> their coverage area quite a bit. Or just move them to
> Farnsworth, short spacing be damned.
>
> Ya gotta follow the rules and KSL ain't.
Ironically, it seems that KSL has fixed their ID's. When they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
> Ironically, it seems that KSL has fixed their ID's. When
> they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM
> Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't
> it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
Yeah; it sounded much better (although not perfect) when they first started simulcasting on 102.7... "Making it easier than ever to listen, now on 102.7 FM and 1160 AM (lower audio) KQMV Midvale (return to normal) KSL Salt Lake City"
Bury the FM ID in between two positioning statements and it almost disappears!
> they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM
> Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't
> it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
Yeah; it sounded much better (although not perfect) when they first started simulcasting on 102.7... "Making it easier than ever to listen, now on 102.7 FM and 1160 AM (lower audio) KQMV Midvale (return to normal) KSL Salt Lake City"
Bury the FM ID in between two positioning statements and it almost disappears!
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Ed_Walker
Guest
> Bury the FM ID in between two positioning statements and it
> almost disappears!
Again, does it really matter?
> almost disappears!
Again, does it really matter?
> Ironically, it seems that KSL has fixed their ID's. When
> they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM
> Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't
> it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
Not quite always.
I just listened to the 5AM TOH ID on 102.7 and they ran the old version that identifies itself only as "Newsradio 1160 KSL Salt Lake City." No mention of 102.7 at all.
Oops. Somebody go in and delete that audio file, m'kay?
> they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM
> Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't
> it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
Not quite always.
I just listened to the 5AM TOH ID on 102.7 and they ran the old version that identifies itself only as "Newsradio 1160 KSL Salt Lake City." No mention of 102.7 at all.
Oops. Somebody go in and delete that audio file, m'kay?
> > Again, does it really matter?
>
> Of course it matters. The regulations exist and must be
> followed or Bonneville risks being fined. Is this so hard
> to understand?
>
Btw the FCC are very strict on that! If any station doesn't play their legal ID at the top of the hr every hr, they can get fined very heavely and possibly loose their license. There is no room of arugments to that rule, it is there so everyone knows what they are listening to. Beleive me when I say this..
The fines are steep and the charges are not good for the Manager of the stations.
Now unless it is a computer problem that didn't play the iD then KSL has a good lible excuse but they have to get that fixed in a certian time period.
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>
> Of course it matters. The regulations exist and must be
> followed or Bonneville risks being fined. Is this so hard
> to understand?
>
Btw the FCC are very strict on that! If any station doesn't play their legal ID at the top of the hr every hr, they can get fined very heavely and possibly loose their license. There is no room of arugments to that rule, it is there so everyone knows what they are listening to. Beleive me when I say this..
The fines are steep and the charges are not good for the Manager of the stations.
Now unless it is a computer problem that didn't play the iD then KSL has a good lible excuse but they have to get that fixed in a certian time period.
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> Btw the FCC are very strict on that! If any station doesn't
> play their legal ID at the top of the hr every hr, they can
> get fined very heavely and possibly loose their license.
> There is no room of arugments to that rule, it is there so
> everyone knows what they are listening to. Beleive me when I
> say this..
> The fines are steep and the charges are not good for the
> Manager of the stations.
> Now unless it is a computer problem that didn't play the iD
> then KSL has a good lible excuse but they have to get that
> fixed in a certian time period.
They aren't really strict, so KSL didn't have a reason to be too worried, although a max fine is $4,000 per occurence.
> play their legal ID at the top of the hr every hr, they can
> get fined very heavely and possibly loose their license.
> There is no room of arugments to that rule, it is there so
> everyone knows what they are listening to. Beleive me when I
> say this..
> The fines are steep and the charges are not good for the
> Manager of the stations.
> Now unless it is a computer problem that didn't play the iD
> then KSL has a good lible excuse but they have to get that
> fixed in a certian time period.
They aren't really strict, so KSL didn't have a reason to be too worried, although a max fine is $4,000 per occurence.
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cruiser
Guest
> > From a practical standpoint, no. From a regulatory
> > standpoint, yes. The FCC regulations require legal ID's.
>
> > Until such time as those regulations change, they are
> > required to be followed.
>
> The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
> ridiculous and anal.
>
> And yes, my analysis of the over analysis is likewise.
>
> > And please don't top post.
>
> Just as you, I was responding to the original poster,
> not to anyone else.
>
LEGAL or NOT LEGAL -- 94COUNTRY IS WIBW FM TOPEKA'S NEW COUNTRY LEADER ..
LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL?
> > standpoint, yes. The FCC regulations require legal ID's.
>
> > Until such time as those regulations change, they are
> > required to be followed.
>
> The over analysis of someone's ID (on this board) is
> ridiculous and anal.
>
> And yes, my analysis of the over analysis is likewise.
>
> > And please don't top post.
>
> Just as you, I was responding to the original poster,
> not to anyone else.
>
LEGAL or NOT LEGAL -- 94COUNTRY IS WIBW FM TOPEKA'S NEW COUNTRY LEADER ..
LEGAL OR NOT LEGAL?
> LEGAL or NOT LEGAL -- 94COUNTRY IS WIBW FM TOPEKA'S NEW
> COUNTRY LEADER ..
Not legal. The COL is "Topeka" not "Topeka's".
There's a way around that though. If you substitute something like "Topeka and Eastern Kansas'" in there, it's legal. Not quite what was intended, but it does satisfy the rule.
An example of this type of thing is WGTZ, licensed to Eaton Ohio. The station targets Dayton and at least at one time the legal ID was read as "WGTZ Eaton Dayton alive". Tricky, but legal.
> COUNTRY LEADER ..
Not legal. The COL is "Topeka" not "Topeka's".
There's a way around that though. If you substitute something like "Topeka and Eastern Kansas'" in there, it's legal. Not quite what was intended, but it does satisfy the rule.
An example of this type of thing is WGTZ, licensed to Eaton Ohio. The station targets Dayton and at least at one time the legal ID was read as "WGTZ Eaton Dayton alive". Tricky, but legal.
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CW
Guest
Just ran across this and had to post a quick note (if anyone will read it is another matter)..Back in the 80s when Gannett ran KKBQ AM/FM in the Houston area (with the Q Morning Zoo), they would ID as "KKBQ-FM Pasadena, KKBQ HOUSTON TEXAS" with emphasis on the last partSamSpade said:Ironically, it seems that KSL has fixed their ID's. When they remember to ID at t.o.h. it always goes "this is KSL-FM Midvale, KSL Salt Lake City" - which works, but man, doesn't it seem dumb to have Midvale first.
Works ok since you mention the bigger city at the end (which most people will remember more)KSL is still doing the same illegal legal ID that I noted on May 14in the thread topic below this one. Sunday at 11:00pm MTI again heard (pre-produced by their image voice):"KSL AM & FM Midvale/Salt Lake City"And the board op/anncr--who didn't seem to have a clueon how to fill to the TOH--butchered the transition fromthe ID to the network news or whatever program wasbeginning.
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PaulBWalkerJr
Guest
The legal id SHOULD be "KSL Salt Lake CIty, KSL-FM Midvale".However, when stations are simulcasting I believe you could do the following "KSL AM and FM Salt Lake City" of they were both licensed there, but they aren't.. so you can't!!
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