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KXNT/KDWN Question

Doug Basham

Doug,
There are cities that are supposedly more progressive or liberal (like my San Francisco), but liberal talk radio doesn't work there either. I think people just don't want someone angry all the time which is left-wing radio. Most of us can take sarcastic for a while, but then it gets whiny and irritating. Liberal radio is always on the attack, which gets grating. Bottom line is if liberal radio would sell it would be on. Air America didn't work because no one would listen or pay for it. I've never heard your show but in reading your post, I wouldn't be able to handle the juvenile put-downs and crap you're spouting here. If you are good, you can get a job somewhere, but apparently not here. If you're dedicated to your beliefs and craft, you'd be looking at where you could fit in. I just think your brand of radio sounds too much like a bitchy neighbor and who needs more irritation in one's life...and don't break that arm patting yourself on the back! It's not how good you think you are, but how much others think you are. And high ratings on KDWN might equal high ratings on a college station (my apology to college radio-you're just learning and people are expected to be rotated in every hour)
 
Re: DOUG BASHAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As a Basham fan, using Basham's debating tactics and style, LOOK OUT my friend, here we go!

MR: There are cities that are supposedly more progressive or liberal (like my San Francisco) doesn't work there either?

ABQ: Oh really, 6 shares 12+ for dozens of consecutive books on the liberal KGO n/t 810 "isn't working?"

MR: I think people just don't want someone angry all the time which is left-wing radio.

ABQ: And Michael Weiner isn't angry? How about THE GREAT ONE?

MR: Most of us can take sarcastic for a while, but then it gets whiny and irritating.

ABQ: Apparently not, because Savage has been both WHINING and WINNING in ratings for years.

MR: Liberal radio is always on the attack, which gets grating.

ABQ: Of course it is, and so is Conservative radio.

MR: Bottom line is if liberal radio would sell it would be on. Air America didn't work because no one would listen or pay for it.

ABQ: It didn't work? It's still working, last time I checked they had quite a few exited hosts, but still had a 24/7 clock.

MR: I've never heard your show but in reading your post, I wouldn't be able to handle the juvenile put-downs and crap you're spouting here.

ABQ: Again you are so hypocritical because your side does this too, aka Levin and Savage.

MR: If you are good, you can get a job somewhere, but apparently not here.

ABQ: Where? All the stations are conservative. Doug was on liberal stations in California 2005-6 and did very well.

MR: If you're dedicated to your beliefs and craft, you'd be looking at where you could fit in. I just think your brand of radio sounds too much

ABQ: Wait! Above you said you've never heard the show, so how can you say the word "souunds?"

MR: And high ratings on KDWN might equal high ratings on a college station (my apology to college radio-you're just learning and people are expected to be rotated in every hour)

ABQ: 8 shares 35-64 Sunday nights in this market probably equals or surpasses ALL other hosts except Coast to Coast.
 
ABQ,
Wowsome good points and others..well...KGO isn't the liberal bastion you make it..maybe after 7pm, but who cares then..Ronn Owens and the late Pete Wilson were/are more topical than left wing...and its their news department that has generated the ratings for KGO...Don't know Michael Weiner..don't listen to Vegas radio..Savage is irritating and grating, I agree...wouldn't take him as a typical conservative...I would agree about both liberal and conservative talk radio...both are boring..stopped listening to Beck when he went from entertaining to more political stuff....Really, in summation, I want to be entertained, not yelled at or have my intelligence insulted...Are there any entertainers left?.. I podcast Armstrong & Getty and they're the best, I think...
 
"Wowsome good points and others..well...KGO isn't the liberal bastion you make it.."

You're right, moderates middays, although Dr. Dean Edell is very socially liberal. Yes, liberal/libertarian viewpoints 7pm+ and on weekends...

"Really, in summation, I want to be entertained, not yelled at or have my intelligence insulted...Are there any entertainers left?.."

Basham uses many invective adjectives, but he combines that with an off key witty humor that some laugh at, while others like you don't like it. Stephanie Miller is the same way. I know radio pros and PD's who love Doug and others who hate him.

Sadly, fewer and fewer hosts are entertainers. Go to the national news/talk board and read posts from talk radio veteran host Jay Marvin, who is a liberal host in Denver, about how Air America is way too agenda driven....

Entertaining hosts that I like are Turi Ryder, Alan Colmes, Jay Diamond, Bruce Williams, Peter B. Collins, Lou Pate, Erin Hart, Karel, Jay Marvin, Rollye James, and KIRO hosts Bryan Styble, Dave Ross, and Ron/Don. EACH host on this list is their own person, they all have incredibly unique styles.
 
ABQ,
Is there a good site to get podcasts of these other hosts, without going to the individual station sites? I have Replay AV8 which is a good pay site that lists 100's of podcasts, but really don't want to go through each one. Any "talk show" sites?..I guess I could go to Talkers Magazine's site and get there list of the top 100 hosts, but where to go for podcasts?...Dr. Dean is fine for medical advise, but when he gets off on social issues or religion, he's as knowledgeable as I would be giving medical advise..stick to what you know, Dean..with Basham, I was surprised as a professional with his response...sounded too much like a wacked out caller than a calm, collected radio professional...if you're entertaining, it doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, left or right...just be balanced. As is said about great salesmen, you never put down the competition to build yourself or your company up. Speak on the merits of your company and if its convincing, you'll get the customer. Hard to slam the competition when you have to remember your potential client is currently using them! What does that say about your potential client?...So be entertaining, not nitpicking and finger-pointing and name-calling I guess is my point. But that takes preparation and talent and insight which is sadly lacking in most talk "hosts" today.
 
"Is there a good site to get podcasts of these other hosts, without going to the individual station sites? I have Replay AV8 which is a good pay site that lists 100's of podcasts, but really don't want to go through each one. Any "talk show" sites?..I guess I could go to Talkers Magazine's site and get there list of the top 100 hosts, but where to go for podcasts?..."

The hosts that I wrote were: Turi Ryder, Alan Colmes, Jay Diamond, Bruce Williams, Peter B. Collins, Lou Pate, Erin Hart, Karel, Jay Marvin, Rollye James, and KIRO hosts Bryan Styble, Dave Ross, and Ron/Don. EACH host on this list is their own person, they all have incredibly unique styles.

Answer:

An internet search should make it easy to find all of these folks and their archives are at their web pages.
Turi has her own web site w/ archives.
Alan has a FOX NEWS RADIO site w/ archives
Jay Diamond - nothing right now.
Bruce Williams has his own site.
Peter B. - own web site, archives are also at KKGN 960/SFO, and soon also at KING 1090/Seattle.
Lou Pate - none, fill in host.
Erin has her own site.
Karel has his own site, plus, KGO n/t 810 archives his shows.
The KIRO hosts have podcasts at 710kiro.com
Rollye has her own site with a 24/7 stream
Jay Marvin has archives and podcasts at the AM 760 KKZN web site in Denver

Who were you referring to here? ---

"As is said about great salesmen, you never put down the competition to build yourself or your company up. Speak on the merits of your company and if its convincing, you'll get the customer. Hard to slam the competition when you have to remember your potential client is currently using them! What does that say about your potential client?...So be entertaining, not nitpicking and finger-pointing and name-calling I guess is my point. But that takes preparation and talent and insight which is sadly lacking in most talk "hosts" today."
 
Tom,
Not referring to anyone in particular...just a general rule I look at in anybody in any profession...but radio-wise, I mean stand on your own merit. It goes back to being entertaining...Both liberal & conservative don't have to name call each other or put each other down...just do your thing, speak on your issue or solution to a problem and let the audience decide...It's why I'm not really into "news-talk", since that usually includes Hannity or Rush or Savage and I don't want pretty much 100% political talk...it's not what interests me...It's like the difference between Time magazine & People magazine...if I have a choice, I'd take People..yeah it's more shallow and gossipy(?), but it's more entertaining than Time...If you're a political junkie, it's Time & "news-talk"...In politics, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are so refreshing right now because they talk about who they are and what they want to do...They, when they're doing it right, don't bring up what Hilary said or what Obama wants to do...They rise or fall on their merits or ideas...I really tout Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty from KSTE in Sacramento & KNEW in San Francisco because they don't pick sides...if they do talk politically, they comment on the merit of what the person said, not their party or leaning...they have both liberal & conservative listeners who call in and comment because they encourage it and it never gets nasty...above all, they just work great together and if I had a partner that I blended together with so perfectlyon the air, I'd probably still want to be in radio! They feed well off each other. As a mailman, I have about 8 hours to just listen as I deliver the mail, so I really need to be entertainedand have a lot of chuckles!! John & Ken from KFI are a lot more edgy and kinda mean-spirited when it comes to topics. I've only listened at the beginning of each year when KSTE/KNEW clear out their archived podcasts and I have no shows to fill up my 8 hour a day habit. So with the new year coming up, I'll take your list of names and listen in and give them a try.
 
"It goes back to being entertaining...Both liberal & conservative don't have to name call each other or put each other down...just do your thing, speak on your issue or solution to a problem and let the audience decide..."

Agree! In Vegas there is nobody who is fair and will look at both sides. In larger markets, you'll find people like Dave Ross on KIRO in Seattle, and Ronn Owens on KGO in San Francisco, who are moderates.....

"It's why I'm not really into "news-talk", since that usually includes Hannity or Rush or Savage and I don't want pretty much 100% political talk...it's not what interests me...It's like the difference between Time magazine & People magazine...if I have a choice, I'd take People..yeah it's more shallow and gossipy(?), but it's more entertaining than Time..."

Talk radio has to be entertaining to get ratings. Yet you have people like Savage on the right and Randi Rhodes on the left who just attack people (or, sue people, as is the case with Saveage), and aren't that entertaining.

"In politics, Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee are so refreshing right now because they talk about who they are and what they want to do...They, when they're doing it right, don't bring up what Hilary said or what Obama wants to do...They rise or fall on their merits or ideas..."

Likewise with Dennis Kucinich, who I'm supporting.

"I really tout Jack Armstrong & Joe Getty from KSTE in Sacramento & KNEW in San Francisco because they don't pick sides...if they do talk politically, they comment on the merit of what the person said, not their party or leaning...they have both liberal & conservative listeners who call in and comment because they encourage it and it never gets nasty..."

I've heard their names but never heard them so I'll look for an internet stream...

"As a mailman, I have about 8 hours to just listen as I deliver the mail, so I really need to be entertainedand have a lot of chuckles!! John & Ken from KFI are a lot more edgy and kinda mean-spirited when it comes to topics."

Are you getting KFI during the day here in the winter??? They still are not at 50,000 watts since a plane hit their tower in 2003, but they should be in 2008.

Another station you might try is KKOB - Albuquerque. They are all wacko far right winged, but try Jim Villanucci afternoons 2pm-6pm PACIFIC time. Jim has a great sense of humor and is an independent and politically unpredictable. Jim will be on vacation the next 2 weeks or so, that will mean that the far right winged PD Pat Frisch might fill in, so ignore him.

"So with the new year coming up, I'll take your list of names and listen in and give them a try."

Don't take my endorsements alone as I'm not familiar with the entire East Coast, Midwest, and Southeast. Post the same question to the National News Talk board and you'll get more recommendations....
 
Tom,
Thanks for the input...this thread has been cordial, informative and enlightening - which means to a vast majority of writers I've read here very boring!!! No name calling or smack talk...It's amazing what grown-ups can do, isn't it?...I'm always a day behind using podcasts, so that's how I listen to Armstrong & Getty and John & Ken...I'd really be interested in your thoughts on A & G...get their podcasts from KSTE.com and listen for a few days and let me know what you think...They're having some "Clips of the Year" features which are always entertaining...I think they may also be going on a break but with the podcasts it doesn't make any difference..I've seen you on the San Francisco board, so what Bay Area references they make won't throw you, although there are more California references than Bay Area since they're in Sacramento
 
I heard the IT guy (insect terminator) on "The Talk Station," complaining about a forum at UNLV...saying it "wasn't balanced" and that they should let on side take 20 minutes at the podium, then let the other side take 20 minutes..." Is that the way that station is run? Do they have a conservative show, a moderate show, a liberal show?

I wonder if MCCAIN-FIENGOLD will come into play with the "winner" of the phoney "Radiostar" contest, being a paid hack for the Republicans-I guess they have to declare her time on the air as a contribution?

I like the old KDAWN, because it was good comic relief, I enjoyed the people who would call in a waste a 50,000 watt radio station by making funny sounds...I also liked the listeners buying baldness cures and sexual disfunction products that didn't work.
 
As is said about great salesmen, you never put down the competition to build yourself or your company up.
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Many of radio's most successful acts have been built on trashing the competition.

* Howard Stern trashed Imus in New York and DeBella in Philadelphia.

* The Power Pig in Tampa was a nonstop attack on Q105 in its first book -- and went to #1.

* Neil Rogers in Miami has built a career on trashing his competitors -- until finally there weren't any.
 
mred said:
I like the old KDAWN, because it was good comic relief, I enjoyed the people who would call in a waste a 50,000 watt radio station by making funny sounds...I also liked the listeners buying baldness cures and sexual disfunction products that didn't work.
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It is unfortunate that they let the old hosts go who really knew Vegas. Hart Kirch would have made a great newscaster. Pete Moss and Truman were legends. Ken Stahl has a great voice for commercials, like his Batistas hole in the wall Italian restaurant. The station needed programming upgrades, but I think they should have kept the old timers around in some capacity.
 
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