You didnt even read the post you quote did you?
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KYND 1520am Cypress/Houston TX On Air All Night
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You didnt even read the post you quote did you?
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cotton belt
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I took a look at KYND's pattern, which shows it aiming most everything it has directly over Houston and then out to the Gulf. My QTH is 5 miles north of Tyler, and I tried hard for KYND reception these last two nights. KGOW from Houston is present @ 1560, but a pretty steady KOKC @ 1520 is what I received both evenings. Nothing sounded like it was buried underneath KOKC.
If KYND is indeed on at night, it isn't making the 175 or so mile journey northeast to East Texas.
If KYND is indeed on at night, it isn't making the 175 or so mile journey northeast to East Texas.
I've heard it in Wyoming!!.. at night when its been on after dark.
KGOW has no bearing on KYNd and you cant compare the two. KGOW has 9 towers at night, but i suspect something is funky, as ive heard them at night too!!
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cotton belt
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In Wyoming, wow! That is impressive, given KYND's directional pattern.
As for KGOW, "funky" is certainly a nice way of putting it. It has not been right since the 2007 upgrade. Day or night, in variable degrees of signal strength KGOW is audible here in ETX. It shouldn't be, but it is.
I am quite impressed with your reception of both of these Houston signals at your QTH. May I ask the type of receiver you use? Wyoming is one of the few states from which I have never documented a reception.
As for KGOW, "funky" is certainly a nice way of putting it. It has not been right since the 2007 upgrade. Day or night, in variable degrees of signal strength KGOW is audible here in ETX. It shouldn't be, but it is.
I am quite impressed with your reception of both of these Houston signals at your QTH. May I ask the type of receiver you use? Wyoming is one of the few states from which I have never documented a reception.
I have an Icom IC746Pro (no, im nto a ham oeprator) and a 25 foot long by 10 foot tall loop in the shape of a volletball net in my front yard.
This is how KGOW sounded on Thurs. Sept 26, 2019 at 1025 when carrying a program from the VOA:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ee_K8phOwix2pjwi8QgcJOYCdlRUi1DL/view?usp=sharing
And this is how KYND sounded one night when they didnt hsut down:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10I6tSiY4GL0H5FcN4BUa50gHwcAOG0JI/view?usp=sharing
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cotton belt
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Thank you, SRG. After communicating with you offsite, I tried for the third night in a row. Finally, I have a weak signal from KYND pointing, of all places, west towards Dallas. Battling KOKC fiercely, with KYND on top but struggling. Giving a 281-373-1520 phone number and top of hour ID on a repeated loop. As I type this, KYND has just completely overtaken KOKC at my QTH. Facing the antenna in the direction of Houston itself, KYND quickly retreats and is replaced with the typical moderate KOKC signal on 1520. Go figure!
OOPS, i goofed when posting the link.. it should work now
KYND as heard in WY one night when it was on after dark
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10I6tSiY4GL0H5FcN4BUa50gHwcAOG0JI/view?usp=sharing
Im not an engineer but KOKC is non directional 10kw and KYND is a 3 tower DA so that has somethign to do with it probably.
Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but is this what radio and other businesses have turned into now? In other words go ahead and break the rules, maybe you'll get away with it and if you don't they'll just tell you to stop it.
Yeah maybe too simplistic. This is one station, not the entire industry.
So you obviously have some interest in KYND because you speak in the first person of what YOU did following Hurricane Harvey at KYND. Whatever the station is doing right now by broadcasting at night is illegal given they don’t even have a nighttime authorization to operate on 1520 AM. Also, from what you are saying, they know they are violating the rules and continue to do so. That’s a huge problem. Rules and regulations are in place for a reason. If everyone did what KYND is currently doing and broadcasting whenever and at whatever power they wanted, the AM band would be a complete and utter mess. I hope KOKC files a formal complaint and takes it from there. Also, there are definitely damages if it is degrading their signal and affecting listenership in their primary service area of Greater Oklahoma City.
If you read more carefully, you would see that he worked there until about a year or so ago when the heirs to the station could not put together a reasonable offer for potential lease prospects and he departed.
Mr Turner is a pro, and he has explained how the heirs have not understood the evolving market for leased stations... that is evidenced by their leaving the station on at night and also by their not finding a lease candidate due to overpricing the rental rate.
As to damages, KOKC would have to prove loss of audience and revenue. Since this is happening during the Coronavirus pandemic, it is unlikely that there is either revenue to lose or any way of documenting the duration of the illegal operation.
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kf4rca
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Can hear them here, advertising for clients.
There's another post in the Houston market thread that gives a history of KYND. I worked for KYND from July 1993 until about this time last year, give or take a day or two. For many of those years I managed KYND. During all of that time I spearheaded sales if not the only person handling sales.
I can tell you we ran by the book all that time. My philosophy has always been that I want the FCC contacting me about a problem about as much as I want the IRS wanting to audit me. So, I always erred on the side of caution. I figured every FCC rule had a line in the sand. I never approached that line figuring it was the best policy.
At the point when I left KYND I wasn't getting a paycheck and our contract engineer wasn't either. In fact, I'd suspect the owners didn't even know how to sign in to the Nautel transmitter to turn it on and off or adjust the settings. All my owners had to do when I was there was receive the money and pay the bills and payroll. I took care of all the rest. Simply put, the kids (current owners) both had busy careers and knew nothing about radio.
I'm guessing that the Nautel lost it's sunrise/sunset times and power level settings (critical and full power) and nobody has bothered to check. I really wish they'd run anything without my voice/name all over it. Somebody might get the wrong idea. I've been told the phone number is not working either. The station phone was a cell number so I could always have it with me. It was the cheapest you could get at Walmart, a flip phone. We filled it with minutes as needed. I'm guessing those minutes expired and nobody has checked the phone.
In a sentimental way, I hate seeing the station I worked so hard to build fall to it's present state.
Don't think poorly of the owners as people. They're wonderful folks. If you met them, you'd feel fortunate to know them. They just have no clue about radio and their lack of knowledge and attention has caused the station to tumble.
Now I have a written proposal to pitch and some commercial copy to refresh before picking up the specials for next week at another client. So, I'm outta here.
I can tell you we ran by the book all that time. My philosophy has always been that I want the FCC contacting me about a problem about as much as I want the IRS wanting to audit me. So, I always erred on the side of caution. I figured every FCC rule had a line in the sand. I never approached that line figuring it was the best policy.
At the point when I left KYND I wasn't getting a paycheck and our contract engineer wasn't either. In fact, I'd suspect the owners didn't even know how to sign in to the Nautel transmitter to turn it on and off or adjust the settings. All my owners had to do when I was there was receive the money and pay the bills and payroll. I took care of all the rest. Simply put, the kids (current owners) both had busy careers and knew nothing about radio.
I'm guessing that the Nautel lost it's sunrise/sunset times and power level settings (critical and full power) and nobody has bothered to check. I really wish they'd run anything without my voice/name all over it. Somebody might get the wrong idea. I've been told the phone number is not working either. The station phone was a cell number so I could always have it with me. It was the cheapest you could get at Walmart, a flip phone. We filled it with minutes as needed. I'm guessing those minutes expired and nobody has checked the phone.
In a sentimental way, I hate seeing the station I worked so hard to build fall to it's present state.
Don't think poorly of the owners as people. They're wonderful folks. If you met them, you'd feel fortunate to know them. They just have no clue about radio and their lack of knowledge and attention has caused the station to tumble.
Now I have a written proposal to pitch and some commercial copy to refresh before picking up the specials for next week at another client. So, I'm outta here.
More stations have been skirting the rules in recent years.
Maybe you can be more specific. You make it sound as though this is something new.
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cotton belt
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You have never been to Texas, apparently. This certainly isn't some new or recent development, on the whole. With KYND, yes; with broadcasters in general down here? No. There are a few peculiarities that we have become accustomed to from certain broadcasters over the years. One of which is the Friday night power change rule. Rest assured, the sun doesn't go down until after the high school football game is over.
Even more outrageous, there was a man named Bill Buchanan who owned a small town station down in Liberty County for many years. His station served two towns, Liberty and Dayton. When the two team's game time conflicted with one another, Bill had a choice to make. Either he could air the Liberty game or the Dayton game. Buchanan said the hell with that and split the audio, airing Liberty on the right side and Dayton on the left! Highly illegal, but it was going on for many, many years until he sold the station last year and retired.
This left and right separation is a gray area. There is nothing in the rules that says that it OK to have the trombones on the left and the piano on the left but not OK to have the Bengals on the right and the Wildcats on the left.
I can't find any reference in a quick Google search, but I recall a situation thirty or so years ago, where a Missouri FM station aired different high school games on left and right channels. The FCC got wind of it and was not amused.
There was no NOV nor any fines issued, but the Commission's take was that broadcasting different programming on left/right channels was incompatible with mono receivers, and thus not allowable. It is apparently one of those things where there is indeed no written rule, just "policy".
The Commission staff that would have been involved in that issue are probably long retired, and posing the same question to the FCC today would probably get a significantly different answer.
There was no NOV nor any fines issued, but the Commission's take was that broadcasting different programming on left/right channels was incompatible with mono receivers, and thus not allowable. It is apparently one of those things where there is indeed no written rule, just "policy".
The Commission staff that would have been involved in that issue are probably long retired, and posing the same question to the FCC today would probably get a significantly different answer.
KBEY FM Marble Falls, TX then on 92.5 got nailed for broadcasting one football game on their main transmitter and another on the fill in booster transmitter
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