Then the WFAN move to FM must not be any good either!
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KYW-FM...It makes no sense
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Better to simulcast KYW on FM now and prevent audience erosion rather than try to bring back listeners who have already departed. And the AM signal does have issues. I have a hard time listening to 1060 once I pass, say, Florence, New Jersey. A more-consistent signal over the Delaware Valley can only help.
Meanwhile, electronic interference on AM is worse now than it was 10-20 years ago and will only get worse with the passage of time. And many younger listeners have never even sampled an all-news or news/talk station because what's available is only on AM.
What makes 106.9 particularly attractive for KYW is that CBS wouldn't have to blow up any of its already-successful FMs in the Philly market. Simulcasting KYW on 106.9 would be a proactive move - which is always better than being reactive.
Besides, what music format would one put on 106.9? Another AC, Classic Hits or Rock variant that's only incrementally different from what's already heard in the market? I'm just sayin'.
Meanwhile, electronic interference on AM is worse now than it was 10-20 years ago and will only get worse with the passage of time. And many younger listeners have never even sampled an all-news or news/talk station because what's available is only on AM.
What makes 106.9 particularly attractive for KYW is that CBS wouldn't have to blow up any of its already-successful FMs in the Philly market. Simulcasting KYW on 106.9 would be a proactive move - which is always better than being reactive.
Besides, what music format would one put on 106.9? Another AC, Classic Hits or Rock variant that's only incrementally different from what's already heard in the market? I'm just sayin'.
recto101 said:
WBBM-FM is B-96, a rhythmic CHR. It is not in a simulcast with WBBM and it is not talk or news.
Rick B. said:
There is a list of ALL the changes at http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1940/1940-09-15-BC-NARBA-Assignments.pdf
DavidEduardo said:
Just to clarify WCFS-105.9 simulcasts WBBM-780 - There is some talk that 105.9 and 96.3 could swap calls.
In Boston a lot of us suspect that WBZ-1030 will get moved to FM in the next 18-24 months.
KYW's signal must have been a political football back in the 1940's because of WHN/WMGM and given how Westinghouse was allowed to move KYW from Chicago to Philly.
The reality is to the NE KYW's signal vanishes between Trenton and Princeton and it would allow this station outside of Boston to operate on 1060
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&s=C&call=WQOM&x=15&y=5
DG02816 said:
KYW was the odd duck of the clear channels which I suspect came from the transfer to Philadelphia from Chicago. I can not think of any other station on the east coast that was a 1-B that had to protect to the east.
I have read it drove William Paley nuts that WCAU could not exploit the signal flaws of KYW in the all-news battle.
KYW was a major fail as Phillies flagship around 1980 but otherwise has dominated.
recto101 said:
Before it added FM, KCBS was a top 5 station. Now they're #1 in the Bay Area. It makes lots of sense for KYW to do likewise. WIP has added FM. WFAN New York is about to add FM. It's all part of CBS' grand plan to move their news and sports stations to FM.
Fenway1912 said:
What calls would be used? 98.5 The Sports Hub is currently using the WBZ-FM calls. What CBS FM station in Boston would be blown up for WBZ NewsRadio on FM?
radioguy39nj said:Fenway1912 said:
What calls would be used? 98.5 The Sports Hub is currently using the WBZ-FM calls. What CBS FM station in Boston would be blown up for WBZ NewsRadio on FM?
They could move the WBZ-FM calls to the station that went news as TSH doesn't promote them.
A lot depends on how much traction WODS gets as AMP103. My guess is WBMX would be the one to go.
radioguy39nj said:recto101 said:
Before it added FM, KCBS was a top 5 station. Now they're #1 in the Bay Area. It makes lots of sense for KYW to do likewise. WIP has added FM. WFAN New York is about to add FM. It's all part of CBS' grand plan to move their news and sports stations to FM.
KCBS in San Francisco moved from competing against KGO-AM for decades to now competing against KQED-FM(NPR News/Talk affiliate) since the move to FM. I know that WTOP did the same once they moved to FM they find themselves competing against NPR News/Talk affiliate WAMU-FM.
Correction WCBS 880 was the first to go on FM temporarily in 1967 but that was because 880 AM was knocked down. 40 years later KCBS went FM on a permanent basis and it happened to land on the 100th anniversary of Doc Herrod invention of the radio.
Putting KYW on FM makes perfect sense... for those with FM-only radios.
There is an utterly valid reason for moving a format to FM - the AGE of the audience. See, very few people under 35 even listen to AM radio. They stay exclusively on FM. Putting something on FM exposes it to these people.
Look at KYW. Their demographics pretty much skew 35+. Putting them on FM will most certainly result in more 25-54's listening to them.
Look at KYW. Their demographics pretty much skew 35+. Putting them on FM will most certainly result in more 25-54's listening to them.
It's sad but true, AM Radio is losing listeners. In some markets, such as NY and Chicago, there are two or three AM stations in the top 10. But in younger Sunbelt markets, such as Dallas, Houston, Miami, Tampa, San Diego, etc. there are NO AM stations in the Top 10. In Dallas, you have to go down to #15 to find the first AM station on the list... and that's WBAP which has an FM simulcast.
On one hand, younger people who grew up on FM radio rarely switch to the AM Band. Secondly, new electronics (computers, florescent bulbs, etc.) are creating more noise on the AM band.
Because KYW must protect 1050 in NYC, its signal is limited to the northeast, hardly getting heard in the Trenton area. And due to a Class I-B station on 1060 in Mexico City, KYW is limited to the southwest, hardly getting heard in Wilmington. (KYW was also designated a Class I-B station.) I was driving over the Delaware Memorial Bridge one night and heard XEEP Mexico City under KYW. Oddly, I've read that KYW booms in at night in the midwest, such as Ohio.
So the original post is right. KYW is #1 and has the second best signal in Philadelphia, just behind 1210. But someday that won't be good enough. It doesn't need an FM simulcast today. But someday it will, maybe sooner than we think. If an FM station becomes available, CBS would want it. I was surprised when Merlin Media captured 106.9. They must have outbid CBS for it.
On one hand, younger people who grew up on FM radio rarely switch to the AM Band. Secondly, new electronics (computers, florescent bulbs, etc.) are creating more noise on the AM band.
Because KYW must protect 1050 in NYC, its signal is limited to the northeast, hardly getting heard in the Trenton area. And due to a Class I-B station on 1060 in Mexico City, KYW is limited to the southwest, hardly getting heard in Wilmington. (KYW was also designated a Class I-B station.) I was driving over the Delaware Memorial Bridge one night and heard XEEP Mexico City under KYW. Oddly, I've read that KYW booms in at night in the midwest, such as Ohio.
So the original post is right. KYW is #1 and has the second best signal in Philadelphia, just behind 1210. But someday that won't be good enough. It doesn't need an FM simulcast today. But someday it will, maybe sooner than we think. If an FM station becomes available, CBS would want it. I was surprised when Merlin Media captured 106.9. They must have outbid CBS for it.
Yes, KYW booms in the midwest. I often listened to it at night as a college student in Wheeling, WV.
Gregg said:
Dimmer switches have been doing that since the '70s, I believe.
Going towards LSD (Lower, Slower Delaware), where does one lose 106.9 (I ask this because CBS blew an opportunity there)? Also going down DE 1/US 13, where do you lose CBS's Philly FM's? I believe there is a 98.1 in the Delaware beach area.
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WIP-FM fights with WVSP-FM (ironically enough also a sports radio station) from Yorktown, MD on 94.1 as you get to Rehoboth Beach. Once you get to Rehoboth, you lose WIP completely.
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