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KYW no longer farthest EAST TV/Radio station with a K callsign...

Hi everyone:

> > Yup,
> > KYW is no longer the farthest east TV/Radio pair with a K
> > call sign.
>
> The stations in Guam might want to make a claim here.

But that all depends on which way you're looking too. :) *LOL!*

But yeah, I would think that KUAM 8 (NBC) & KTGM 14 (ABC) would both be declared winners since Guam is the first island to see the start of a new day every day. :)

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Hi everyone:

> I know that call letters beginning with "N" have been
> allocated to the United States, but does the FCC allow TV
> (or radio) stations to ask for call letters that start with
> "N"??

In a word Joe? NO. Even YOU, with the obviously limited amount of intelligence you have should be able to figure THAT out.

> If they do, there will be quite a few New York (City and
> State) stations who will want to change their call letters
> to combinations beginning with "NY".
>
> As an example, if WPIX-11 New York owner Tribune still owns
> the New York Daily News, I could see the call letters
> changed to NYDN-TV. Otherwise, it might become NYWB-TV (to
> plug the WB Network).

Ohh...PUH-LEAZE.....

> WWOR-9 could become NUPN-TV (New york UPN).

Hey why not go all the way Joe?

What would WCBS 2 become? NCBS 2 ?? What about WNBC 4 ?? NNBC 4 ?? How 'bout WABC 7 ?? Why don't we call 'em NABC 7 ??

Also, what of WNYW 5 and WNET 13 Joe? Gonna add an extra (not to mention UNNECCESSARY) "N" to the beginning of THEIR calls too?

"N" calls are NOT intended for commercial use NOR have they been issued for such that I'm aware of.

Either way Joe, do us all a favor and DO YOUR HOMEWORK before posting inane stuff like the post above.

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So now everyone can say "KYW is the fartest full power TV/Radio pair with a K call sign.

Kind of like when 10 radio stations all claim to be #1. It's all in how you say it, to make it accurate. :)



> Yup,
> KYW is no longer the farthest east TV/Radio pair with a K
> call sign.
> A LPTV in Hudson, NY just changed their calls from W21BU to
> KHVB-LP!
> This will make this LPTV the farthest eastern call sign to
> begin with the letter K in the US.
>
> (Amazing they got away with it too)
>
> (( I posted this on the TV board due to the fact that the
> station that has the new honor is TV))
>
 
> > As an example, if WPIX-11 New York owner Tribune still
> owns
> > the New York Daily News, I could see the call letters
> > changed to NYDN-TV. Otherwise, it might become NYWB-TV (to
>
> > plug the WB Network).
>
> Ohh...PUH-LEAZE.....
>
> > WWOR-9 could become NUPN-TV (New york UPN).
>
To be honest, I don't think the stations, or their owners, would be so callous to change their heritage calls. In 1987, WWOR had to change from WOR, as the radio and TV station got separate owners, but at least they wanted to keep the WOR calls in some fashion.

But in New York, would you asssociate channel 11 with anything but WPIX? Or channel 9 with anything but WOR? I disagree.

Besides, even if you do change the calls, many people will still refer to the station with the old calls -- in some cases, for years to come.
 
> But yeah, I would think that KUAM 8 (NBC) & KTGM 14 (ABC)
> would both be declared winners since Guam is the first
> island to see the start of a new day every day. :)

Indeed, in 1986 I was in the motor vehicle office in Sea Isle City, NJ. On the walls were tags from every state and US possession. Guam's tag read "America's Day Begins in GUAM". Do Guam's tags still say that?

> Cheers for now & Happy Holidays :)
>

Same to you.

ixnay
 
Re: Something Similar in Mississippi

> At one point last year, something similar happened in
> Mississippi. Channel 34 in Magee, MS applied for call
> letters and apparently someone though "MS" meant Missouri and
> they wound up with the KRBU calls (co-owned with channel 47
> in Columbia, SC and WRBU-46 in St. Louis).
>

WRBU-TV is correct since the UPN affiliate is licensed to East Saint Louis, IL, therefore east of the Mississippi River. As for Magee, MS, it's a good distance to the southeast of Jackson along US Route 49. Yeah, that would've been incorrect. (Is it supposed to be in the Jackson DMA?)
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Re: It gets EVEN further west...

> The REAL REAL REAL winner is WVUV Leone/Pago Pago, American
> Samoa!
> Latitude 14-21-28 SOUTH; 170-46-36 WEST. And even better:
> They are on a split AM frequency 648 khz (But with a CP to
> go to 720, according to FCC Website database)...This station
> is kinda special to me. I visited it back in the 80s when
> the ship I was stationed onboard was on patrol-break at Pago
> Pago. Had a rental car for a couple of days, drove out to
> check their tower, Board op saw me taking pictures, and
> invited me in for the grand tour!! I think I even have a
> few airchecks stashed away somewhere. They blasted out a
> great signal, and could easily be picked up at night on Oahu
> and Maui when Honolulu's 650, KORL back then, was off.


Any chance you can maybe post those pictures? I'd love to see 'em.

KL

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>
> "N" calls are NOT intended for commercial use NOR have they
> been issued for such that I'm aware of.

Yeah, imagine the possibilities for a hot-talk/shock-jock station:

NUKI
NARK
NUDE
NOOD

and for you Monty Python fans out there:

NEEK

KL

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Guam

> Being at about 170 degrees west longitude, wouldn't their
> day start LAST?

No, because they are across the International Date Line from the rest of the U.S.

Explained here, in the first paragraph:
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Re: It gets EVEN further west...

> > The REAL REAL REAL winner is WVUV Leone/Pago Pago,
> American
> > Samoa!
> > Latitude 14-21-28 SOUTH; 170-46-36 WEST. And even better:
> > They are on a split AM frequency 648 khz (But with a CP
> to
> > go to 720, according to FCC Website database)...This
> station
> > is kinda special to me. I visited it back in the 80s when
> > the ship I was stationed onboard was on patrol-break at
> Pago
> > Pago. Had a rental car for a couple of days, drove out to
> > check their tower, Board op saw me taking pictures, and
> > invited me in for the grand tour!! I think I even have a
> > few airchecks stashed away somewhere. They blasted out a
> > great signal, and could easily be picked up at night on
> Oahu
> > and Maui when Honolulu's 650, KORL back then, was off.
>
>
> Any chance you can maybe post those pictures? I'd love to
> see 'em.
>
> KL
>
> The Last Radio Station
>

What about WSVE/10, Saipan's NBC affiliate? Or WWFM 89.5 in Palau? Or WAAB/7 on Yap in Micronesia? All are (or at least were) under the jurisdiction of the FCC and are the farthest EAST (not west, the territories are on the other side of the Date Line and were originally considered W territory) stations with W calls. This would make KPON/7 from Pohnpei, Micronesia and Saipan's many radio stations with K-calls the easternmost K-stations, not some LPTV on the mainland.
 
I had wondered about that.

While think about the K singals, I remembered KUAM in Guam, and I realized Guam is in the Eastern side of the world. So it gets EVAN further east with K.

> >
>
> What about WSVE/10, Saipan's NBC affiliate? Or WWFM 89.5 in
> Palau? Or WAAB/7 on Yap in Micronesia? All are (or at least
> were) under the jurisdiction of the FCC and are the farthest
> EAST (not west, the territories are on the other side of the
> Date Line and were originally considered W territory)
> stations with W calls. This would make KPON/7 from Pohnpei,
> Micronesia and Saipan's many radio stations with K-calls the
> easternmost K-stations, not some LPTV on the mainland.
>
 
> Being at about 170 degrees west longitude, wouldn't their
> day start LAST?

Guam is at 145 degrees east longitude. You are probably thinking about American Samoa, at 171 degrees west.
 
Re: Something Similar in Mississippi

> > At one point last year, something similar happened in
> > Mississippi. Channel 34 in Magee, MS applied for call
> > letters and apparently someone though "MS" meant Missouri
> and
> > they wound up with the KRBU calls (co-owned with channel
> 47
> > in Columbia, SC and WRBU-46 in St. Louis).
> >
>
> WRBU-TV is correct since the UPN affiliate is licensed to
> East Saint Louis, IL, therefore east of the Mississippi
> River. As for Magee, MS, it's a good distance to the
> southeast of Jackson along US Route 49. Yeah, that would've
> been incorrect. (Is it supposed to be in the Jackson DMA?)

Yes, WRBU is the exception in St. Louis I think, being the only one in the market licensed east of the Mississippi.

Yes, WRBJ is pretty far. It's going to be interesting. Pegasus will have WUFX-35 (Fox 35) in Vicksburg and Roberts will have WRBJ-34 (UPN34) in Magee. Both targetting Jackson. I think WUFX is a good deal closer though.

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THE DIVIDER IS NOT BASED ON HEMISPHERES

> While think about the K singals, I remembered KUAM in Guam,
> and I realized Guam is in the Eastern side of the world. So
> it gets EVAN further east with K.
>
> > >
> >
> > What about WSVE/10, Saipan's NBC affiliate? Or WWFM 89.5
> in
> > Palau? Or WAAB/7 on Yap in Micronesia? All are (or at
> least
> > were) under the jurisdiction of the FCC and are the
> farthest
> > EAST (not west, the territories are on the other side of
> the
> > Date Line and were originally considered W territory)
> > stations with W calls. This would make KPON/7 from
> Pohnpei,
> > Micronesia and Saipan's many radio stations with K-calls
> the
> > easternmost K-stations, not some LPTV on the mainland.

The division is made based on the location of the Mississippi River and goes halfway around the world. Anything west of the Mississippi should have a K, which includes Guam. Anything east should have a W, which includes the US Virgin Islands among others.

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Re: THE DIVIDER IS NOT BASED ON HEMISPHERES

> > While think about the K singals, I remembered KUAM in
> Guam,
> > and I realized Guam is in the Eastern side of the world.
> So
> > it gets EVAN further east with K.
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > What about WSVE/10, Saipan's NBC affiliate? Or WWFM
> 89.5
> > in
> > > Palau? Or WAAB/7 on Yap in Micronesia? All are (or at
> > least
> > > were) under the jurisdiction of the FCC and are the
> > farthest
> > > EAST (not west, the territories are on the other side of
>
> > the
> > > Date Line and were originally considered W territory)
> > > stations with W calls. This would make KPON/7 from
> > Pohnpei,
> > > Micronesia and Saipan's many radio stations with K-calls
>
> > the
> > > easternmost K-stations, not some LPTV on the mainland.
>
> The division is made based on the location of the
> Mississippi River and goes halfway around the world.
> Anything west of the Mississippi should have a K, which
> includes Guam. Anything east should have a W, which
> includes the US Virgin Islands among others.
>
> - Trip
>

I thought that either everything from the Mississippi River east to the International Date Line was at one point considered part of the W zone or that all stations in the territories were assigned W calls. Weren't Alaska, Hawaii, and the Philippines also home to one or more stations with W calls as well, even though they no longer are?
 
Re: It gets EVEN further west...

> > The REAL REAL REAL winner is WVUV Leone/Pago Pago,
> American
> > Samoa!
> > Latitude 14-21-28 SOUTH; 170-46-36 WEST. And even better:
> > They are on a split AM frequency 648 khz (But with a CP
> to
> > go to 720, according to FCC Website database)...This
> station
> > is kinda special to me. I visited it back in the 80s when
> > the ship I was stationed onboard was on patrol-break at
> Pago
> > Pago. Had a rental car for a couple of days, drove out to
> > check their tower, Board op saw me taking pictures, and
> > invited me in for the grand tour!! I think I even have a
> > few airchecks stashed away somewhere. They blasted out a
> > great signal, and could easily be picked up at night on
> Oahu
> > and Maui when Honolulu's 650, KORL back then, was off


>
>
> Any chance you can maybe post those pictures? I'd love to
> see 'em.
>
> KL
>
> The Last Radio Station
>

....Thanks for asking, but I am afraid they are long gone, lost in the process of many transfers and shipping hassles in my 20 years in the service...Kinda burns me now that I think back too, I was quite proud of getting those pics of such a unique station....As I recall a few years back during a typhoon WVUV's tower was blown down and replaced with a horizontal wire dipole. Don't know what they are using now.
 
Here in Dallas, TX:

Radio: WBAP-AM 820
TV: WFAA-TV (ch. 8, the ABC affiliate)

Other than that, its almost all K's, on both radio and TV)

By the way, what is the difference between K and W? Why does it matter?

Thanks!

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I never knew there was a difference between K and W? Ofcourse, being just a listener/viewer, I wouldn't know. I have noticed that here in Dallas, Texas, almost all stations on both television and radio begin with K, with only a few exceptions (WBAP-AM 820, WFAA-TV ch. 8, both ABC affiliates, both partners). But I never knew why?

So, what is the difference between K and W? Why does it matter?

(and do you think it is a coincidence that some of the only W's in Dallas are partnered?)

And, another question about this topic... does the number of letters matter? Here, I can only think on ONE station that has 3 letters, and it also happens to begin with W. Its the oldest station here: WRR-FM 101.1

Is all of this a coincidence? So, whats the diff btwn W and K? 3 letters and 4?

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> Yeah, imagine the possibilities for a hot-talk/shock-jock
> station:
>
> NUKI
> NARK
> NUDE
> NOOD
>
Though the FCC may deep-six most of these, due to indecency. If you can't have "WKKK", you possibly can's have "NUDE", either.
 
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