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kyw
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Levittown may be affected by KWY protecting 1050AM in NYC. Call letters used to be WHN then WFAN.
> why is kyw1060 on the AM they would sound much better on the
> fm KYW sounds ok in philly I live in levittwn,pa witch is in
> lower bucks county just out side of philly and kyw does not
> come in at all! if they was on the fm they would sound great
> every where!
>
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> why is kyw1060 on the AM they would sound much better on the
> fm KYW sounds ok in philly I live in levittwn,pa witch is in
> lower bucks county just out side of philly and kyw does not
> come in at all! if they was on the fm they would sound great
> every where!
>
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KYW 1060 is a 2 tower directional station. It protects a station in Mexico on 1060, and also gives protection to WEPN 1050 in New York. It appears you may be in one of KYW's minor nulls and thus not able to get a decent signal where you are...
Dave Gardiner
WVCH 740
Chester/Philadelphia
Dave Gardiner
WVCH 740
Chester/Philadelphia
There's a significant rise in internet listening to talk and information based formats, and for now, KYW may benefit from their web stream. I grew up in Levittown, and although KYW never really sounded great there, there were no significant signal problems or nulls which would cause people not to listen to it. Towards Trenton that may be a different story.
WTOP in Washington simulcasts on an FM. With 50,000 watts at 1500, their groundwave signal isn't that great, and their coverage needs a boost to adequately cover all the zip codes where Washingtonians live work and shop.
KYW's signal already covers what they need.
WTOP in Washington simulcasts on an FM. With 50,000 watts at 1500, their groundwave signal isn't that great, and their coverage needs a boost to adequately cover all the zip codes where Washingtonians live work and shop.
KYW's signal already covers what they need.
So what is AM radio good for nowadays?
> the format isnt really an FM format. Its made for AM. The
> better quality FM works better for music...hence why PEN
> dropped their oldies format.
>
I think it's impressive that KYW dominates the region in 2005 as well as it does. Very few AM stations do that nowadays.
Rhetorically extending the original argument -- it's already acknowledged that AM is suboptimal for music. If one thinks it's suboptimal for spoken-word audio, then what is AM radio good for?
In many ways AM radio is a holdover from its days in the 30s through the early 1960s as the only game in town -- with a mix of clear channel, regional, and local services. It would be interesting to re-engineer the AM band in 2005 -- would everything be transformed to local/regional stations since XM and Sirius now provide the coast-to-coast capability that AM radio used to provide.
Richard / Allentown
> the format isnt really an FM format. Its made for AM. The
> better quality FM works better for music...hence why PEN
> dropped their oldies format.
>
I think it's impressive that KYW dominates the region in 2005 as well as it does. Very few AM stations do that nowadays.
Rhetorically extending the original argument -- it's already acknowledged that AM is suboptimal for music. If one thinks it's suboptimal for spoken-word audio, then what is AM radio good for?
In many ways AM radio is a holdover from its days in the 30s through the early 1960s as the only game in town -- with a mix of clear channel, regional, and local services. It would be interesting to re-engineer the AM band in 2005 -- would everything be transformed to local/regional stations since XM and Sirius now provide the coast-to-coast capability that AM radio used to provide.
Richard / Allentown
M
mwebster
Guest
AM! What is it good for?
KYW may have "dominated" the region 30 years ago. Given their current numbers, I don't think they dominate much of anything. Microsoft dominates, not KYW.
AM is obsolete technology. It has one slim chance: AM radio's signal can travel over the horizon (unlike FM). It MIGHT be able to establish a niche as a regional broadcasting service, especially in not densely-populated areas. The only way to do this is to shut down most AM radio stations and let those that remain operate at high power and free from interference from other stations. AM radio should have a minimum power of 50kw (non-directional) and consideration should be given to allow stations to go to 500kw (as WLW once did). In return, these small c clear channel AM stations should be required to do original programming, not just relay syndicated material, with limits on the number of AM stations any company could own.
The FM band should be expanded to allow more local stations (possibly channels five and six once VHF TV shuts down).
> I think it's impressive that KYW dominates the region in
> 2005 as well as it does. Very few AM stations do that
> nowadays.
>
> Rhetorically extending the original argument -- it's already
> acknowledged that AM is suboptimal for music. If one thinks
> it's suboptimal for spoken-word audio, then what is AM radio
> good for?
>
> In many ways AM radio is a holdover from its days in the 30s
> through the early 1960s as the only game in town -- with a
> mix of clear channel, regional, and local services. It
> would be interesting to re-engineer the AM band in 2005 --
> would everything be transformed to local/regional stations
> since XM and Sirius now provide the coast-to-coast
> capability that AM radio used to provide.
>
> Richard / Allentown
>
KYW may have "dominated" the region 30 years ago. Given their current numbers, I don't think they dominate much of anything. Microsoft dominates, not KYW.
AM is obsolete technology. It has one slim chance: AM radio's signal can travel over the horizon (unlike FM). It MIGHT be able to establish a niche as a regional broadcasting service, especially in not densely-populated areas. The only way to do this is to shut down most AM radio stations and let those that remain operate at high power and free from interference from other stations. AM radio should have a minimum power of 50kw (non-directional) and consideration should be given to allow stations to go to 500kw (as WLW once did). In return, these small c clear channel AM stations should be required to do original programming, not just relay syndicated material, with limits on the number of AM stations any company could own.
The FM band should be expanded to allow more local stations (possibly channels five and six once VHF TV shuts down).
> I think it's impressive that KYW dominates the region in
> 2005 as well as it does. Very few AM stations do that
> nowadays.
>
> Rhetorically extending the original argument -- it's already
> acknowledged that AM is suboptimal for music. If one thinks
> it's suboptimal for spoken-word audio, then what is AM radio
> good for?
>
> In many ways AM radio is a holdover from its days in the 30s
> through the early 1960s as the only game in town -- with a
> mix of clear channel, regional, and local services. It
> would be interesting to re-engineer the AM band in 2005 --
> would everything be transformed to local/regional stations
> since XM and Sirius now provide the coast-to-coast
> capability that AM radio used to provide.
>
> Richard / Allentown
>
J
Jim_Hicks
Guest
Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say one day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
Ironically, the old owners of 1060 had an FM allocation and let it go (the frequency is now used by WXTU and formerly WIFI).
Several stations did that in the 40's or early 50's, including WAMS in Wilmington and the old WTUX, now WWTX in Wilmington (actually WTUX lost it as punishment by the FCC for a gambling snafu).
> why is kyw1060 on the AM they would sound much better on the
> fm KYW sounds ok in philly I live in levittwn,pa witch is in
> lower bucks county just out side of philly and kyw does not
> come in at all! if they was on the fm they would sound great
> every where!
>
Ironically, the old owners of 1060 had an FM allocation and let it go (the frequency is now used by WXTU and formerly WIFI).
Several stations did that in the 40's or early 50's, including WAMS in Wilmington and the old WTUX, now WWTX in Wilmington (actually WTUX lost it as punishment by the FCC for a gambling snafu).
> why is kyw1060 on the AM they would sound much better on the
> fm KYW sounds ok in philly I live in levittwn,pa witch is in
> lower bucks county just out side of philly and kyw does not
> come in at all! if they was on the fm they would sound great
> every where!
>
Re: AM! What is it good for?
Without getting passionate and emotional as I always get when this subject comes up, I'll defer to former Industry exec and radio visionary Bill Figenshu, who emphasizes: AM Radio is still important, because it is still in every car and every home, everywhere people are. When AM Radio as a medium collectively arrives at something that people will use, we're in the car and in the home for the radio consumer to access...and for FREE!
In almost every major rated market, an AM station is #1 or Top 3. The two most listened to and top billing radio stations in America are AM stations...not in the sixties, the seventies the eighties or nineties...today.
Without getting passionate and emotional as I always get when this subject comes up, I'll defer to former Industry exec and radio visionary Bill Figenshu, who emphasizes: AM Radio is still important, because it is still in every car and every home, everywhere people are. When AM Radio as a medium collectively arrives at something that people will use, we're in the car and in the home for the radio consumer to access...and for FREE!
In almost every major rated market, an AM station is #1 or Top 3. The two most listened to and top billing radio stations in America are AM stations...not in the sixties, the seventies the eighties or nineties...today.
M
mwebster
Guest
WTOP AM and FM and FM and AM
> Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are
> licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say one
> day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new
> transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
>
Why not? WTOP did. OK, it wasn't quite that easy but neither is it impossible for KYW to simulcast on FM.
> Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are
> licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say one
> day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new
> transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
>
Why not? WTOP did. OK, it wasn't quite that easy but neither is it impossible for KYW to simulcast on FM.
1060 reaches much, much farther then any of the Philly FMs do.
1060 blasts into Wildwood/Sea Isle City/Avalon NJ and Lewes/Rehoboth Beach DE. No Philly FM can do that.
Even in places where the Philly FMs do come in, like Seaside Heights/Long Beach Island/Margate, 1060 is MUCH stronger than any of the Philly FMs.
1060 blasts into Wildwood/Sea Isle City/Avalon NJ and Lewes/Rehoboth Beach DE. No Philly FM can do that.
Even in places where the Philly FMs do come in, like Seaside Heights/Long Beach Island/Margate, 1060 is MUCH stronger than any of the Philly FMs.
Re: WTOP AM and FM and FM and AM
> > Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are
> > licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say
> one
> > day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new
> > transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
> >
>
> Why not? WTOP did. OK, it wasn't quite that easy but
> neither is it impossible for KYW to simulcast on FM.
I doubt that it would make economic sense to simulcast KYW on a full-market FM signal. If there were a Class A FM in someplace like Doylestown or Newtown, that would be perfect for KYW to use to fill in the null in Bucks County, but there isn't any facility like that.
> > Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are
> > licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say
> one
> > day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new
> > transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
> >
>
> Why not? WTOP did. OK, it wasn't quite that easy but
> neither is it impossible for KYW to simulcast on FM.
I doubt that it would make economic sense to simulcast KYW on a full-market FM signal. If there were a Class A FM in someplace like Doylestown or Newtown, that would be perfect for KYW to use to fill in the null in Bucks County, but there isn't any facility like that.
J
Jim_Hicks
Guest
Re: WTOP AM and FM and FM and AM
No, that is not what they did. They bought an FM in a suburban town. They did NOT simply pick a frequency and put a signal on it. That happens to be illegal.
> > Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are
> > licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say
> one
> > day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new
> > transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
> >
>
> Why not? WTOP did. OK, it wasn't quite that easy but
> neither is it impossible for KYW to simulcast on FM.
>
No, that is not what they did. They bought an FM in a suburban town. They did NOT simply pick a frequency and put a signal on it. That happens to be illegal.
> > Your question implies that KYW has a choice. They are
> > licensed as an AM radio station. They can't simply say
> one
> > day "Let's be an FM station", go out and buy a new
> > transmitter, pick a frequency and go on the air.
> >
>
> Why not? WTOP did. OK, it wasn't quite that easy but
> neither is it impossible for KYW to simulcast on FM.
>
F
FloridaBear1776
Guest
Re: AM! What is it good for?
> In almost every major rated market, an AM station is #1 or
> Top 3. The two most listened to and top billing radio
> stations in America are AM stations...not in the sixties,
> the seventies the eighties or nineties...today.
>
In every major market with a 50 kW Class A heritage station...
In markets that grew after those were all handed out, not so.
We need a serious reallocation of the Class A's...
As was done with Fort Wayne, the Rochesters, Des Moines and Shreveports of the world need to be moved to other cities or go directional to allow A's in places that got shafted in the original allocations. There are large stretches of Florida and other well-populated states where no AM is audible at night. No more licenses for 250-watt fleabags or eight-tower wonders on ANY frequency. Big, big signals and plow some of the Class D's down and sell the land to developers.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FloridaBear1776 on 10/10/05 12:31 AM.</FONT></P>
> In almost every major rated market, an AM station is #1 or
> Top 3. The two most listened to and top billing radio
> stations in America are AM stations...not in the sixties,
> the seventies the eighties or nineties...today.
>
In every major market with a 50 kW Class A heritage station...
In markets that grew after those were all handed out, not so.
We need a serious reallocation of the Class A's...
As was done with Fort Wayne, the Rochesters, Des Moines and Shreveports of the world need to be moved to other cities or go directional to allow A's in places that got shafted in the original allocations. There are large stretches of Florida and other well-populated states where no AM is audible at night. No more licenses for 250-watt fleabags or eight-tower wonders on ANY frequency. Big, big signals and plow some of the Class D's down and sell the land to developers.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FloridaBear1776 on 10/10/05 12:31 AM.</FONT></P>
Re: AM! What is it good for?
No more licenses for 250-watt fleabags or
> eight-tower wonders on ANY frequency. Big, big signals and
> plow some of the Class D's down and sell the land to
> developers.
>
Wouldn't it be simpler to either A: Move or B: learn to love the staticy-mess or C: seek some professional help?
No more licenses for 250-watt fleabags or
> eight-tower wonders on ANY frequency. Big, big signals and
> plow some of the Class D's down and sell the land to
> developers.
>
Wouldn't it be simpler to either A: Move or B: learn to love the staticy-mess or C: seek some professional help?
G
gethigh
Guest
Re: AM! What is it good for?...VHF TV???
VHF TV??? I thought that was out a hell of a long time ago. Are there still areas where stone age people use rabbit ears and have tv's with VHF???
> KYW may have "dominated" the region 30 years ago. Given
> their current numbers, I don't think they dominate much of
> anything. Microsoft dominates, not KYW.
>
> AM is obsolete technology. It has one slim chance: AM
> radio's signal can travel over the horizon (unlike FM). It
> MIGHT be able to establish a niche as a regional
> broadcasting service, especially in not densely-populated
> areas. The only way to do this is to shut down most AM
> radio stations and let those that remain operate at high
> power and free from interference from other stations. AM
> radio should have a minimum power of 50kw (non-directional)
> and consideration should be given to allow stations to go to
> 500kw (as WLW once did). In return, these small c clear
> channel AM stations should be required to do original
> programming, not just relay syndicated material, with limits
> on the number of AM stations any company could own.
>
> The FM band should be expanded to allow more local stations
> (possibly channels five and six once VHF TV shuts down).
>
>
> > I think it's impressive that KYW dominates the region in
> > 2005 as well as it does. Very few AM stations do that
> > nowadays.
> >
> > Rhetorically extending the original argument -- it's
> already
> > acknowledged that AM is suboptimal for music. If one
> thinks
> > it's suboptimal for spoken-word audio, then what is AM
> radio
> > good for?
> >
> > In many ways AM radio is a holdover from its days in the
> 30s
> > through the early 1960s as the only game in town -- with a
>
> > mix of clear channel, regional, and local services. It
> > would be interesting to re-engineer the AM band in 2005 --
>
> > would everything be transformed to local/regional stations
>
> > since XM and Sirius now provide the coast-to-coast
> > capability that AM radio used to provide.
> >
> > Richard / Allentown
> >
>
VHF TV??? I thought that was out a hell of a long time ago. Are there still areas where stone age people use rabbit ears and have tv's with VHF???
> KYW may have "dominated" the region 30 years ago. Given
> their current numbers, I don't think they dominate much of
> anything. Microsoft dominates, not KYW.
>
> AM is obsolete technology. It has one slim chance: AM
> radio's signal can travel over the horizon (unlike FM). It
> MIGHT be able to establish a niche as a regional
> broadcasting service, especially in not densely-populated
> areas. The only way to do this is to shut down most AM
> radio stations and let those that remain operate at high
> power and free from interference from other stations. AM
> radio should have a minimum power of 50kw (non-directional)
> and consideration should be given to allow stations to go to
> 500kw (as WLW once did). In return, these small c clear
> channel AM stations should be required to do original
> programming, not just relay syndicated material, with limits
> on the number of AM stations any company could own.
>
> The FM band should be expanded to allow more local stations
> (possibly channels five and six once VHF TV shuts down).
>
>
> > I think it's impressive that KYW dominates the region in
> > 2005 as well as it does. Very few AM stations do that
> > nowadays.
> >
> > Rhetorically extending the original argument -- it's
> already
> > acknowledged that AM is suboptimal for music. If one
> thinks
> > it's suboptimal for spoken-word audio, then what is AM
> radio
> > good for?
> >
> > In many ways AM radio is a holdover from its days in the
> 30s
> > through the early 1960s as the only game in town -- with a
>
> > mix of clear channel, regional, and local services. It
> > would be interesting to re-engineer the AM band in 2005 --
>
> > would everything be transformed to local/regional stations
>
> > since XM and Sirius now provide the coast-to-coast
> > capability that AM radio used to provide.
> >
> > Richard / Allentown
> >
>
G
gethigh
Guest
Re: AM! What is it good for?...marketability
> Without getting passionate and emotional as I always get
> when this subject comes up, I'll defer to former Industry
> exec and radio visionary Bill Figenshu, who emphasizes: AM
> Radio is still important, because it is still in every car
> and every home, everywhere people are. When AM Radio as a
> medium collectively arrives at something that people will
> use, we're in the car and in the home for the radio consumer
> to access...and for FREE!
>
> In almost every major rated market, an AM station is #1 or
> Top 3. The two most listened to and top billing radio
> stations in America are AM stations...not in the sixties,
> the seventies the eighties or nineties...today.
>
that's right...and that's why KYW will most always have the lock and be a viable arguement to advertisers who love their FM's. Some businesses still give you the finger when you mention AM, but as much as I hate KYW, they have owned the philly market for how many times in recent arbitron books??? If AM radio was sooooo bad, then KYW would fall on it's face. I am still hoping these PPM's will smoke out the chink in KYW's armor.
> Without getting passionate and emotional as I always get
> when this subject comes up, I'll defer to former Industry
> exec and radio visionary Bill Figenshu, who emphasizes: AM
> Radio is still important, because it is still in every car
> and every home, everywhere people are. When AM Radio as a
> medium collectively arrives at something that people will
> use, we're in the car and in the home for the radio consumer
> to access...and for FREE!
>
> In almost every major rated market, an AM station is #1 or
> Top 3. The two most listened to and top billing radio
> stations in America are AM stations...not in the sixties,
> the seventies the eighties or nineties...today.
>
that's right...and that's why KYW will most always have the lock and be a viable arguement to advertisers who love their FM's. Some businesses still give you the finger when you mention AM, but as much as I hate KYW, they have owned the philly market for how many times in recent arbitron books??? If AM radio was sooooo bad, then KYW would fall on it's face. I am still hoping these PPM's will smoke out the chink in KYW's armor.
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