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KZLA Goes Dance and Rick Dees?

So Mancow's salary goes to Dees. And almost to the day as Mancow becomes a free agent (from Emmis Chicago) the end of next week.

From InsideRadio.com:

Emmis’ new “Movin 93.9” could also
get revenues moving.
Merrill Lynch’s Laraine Mancini says KZLA’s move from country to a Rick Dees headlining rhythmic AC will hurt ad sales in the short-term (like any format change) but says it could ultimately lead to a 50% increase in revenues. KZLA billed about $25 million last year – accounting for roughly 10% of Emmis revenues. Bank of America’s Jonathan Jacoby says Emmis was able to afford Dees by not renewing the $2 to $3 million-a-year deal it had with Mancow in Chicago
 
djdramah2 said:
With all the recent flipping to a rhythmic, urban and/or urban ac format, it is going to be interesting to see how all of the dust will settle. Right now some sort of rythmic or urban product is on 92.3, 93.5, 93.9, 100.3, 102.3, 102.7, 104.3, 105.9 and to a lesser extent at 94.7, correct me if I have missed a frequency....I can't keep up anymore. Any predictions of which station will die? Or will each one survive?
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You forgot Latino 96.3. I don't think I'd count 94.7 The Wave in the mix but you might consider Spanish Super Estrella 107.1.

I think 93.9 will be a survivor since it isn't hampered by the protections each Clear Channel station has between each other in this market. I'd count Hot 92 Jamz a gonner if it wasn't for the recent Monday-Friday addition of Art Laboe - the only positive move that station has made in years. He doesn't have music restrictions imposed on his show unlike the tight, boring playlist the rest of the station has. KBIG is boring, poorly programmed and has too narrow a rhythmic leaning Hot AC playlist to survive without major changes. But by the time Clear Channel gets around to that Movin 93.9 will have already buried them. I already consider 100.3 The Beat to be dead in the water. I'm not sure Latino 96.3 or 93.5 KDAY will survive in the long run either. I don't think all these various rhythmic stations can co-exist and there not be some real underperforming revenue generators.

There are a lot of people both inside and out of Clear Channel that are rooting for Emmis, Movin 93.9 and Rick Dees to take a nice whack at Clear Channel. It's long overdue.
 
I know they are running Movin out of the production room but the board ops there really suck. Man, get someone in there that knows how to execute this format by running a proper board and knows the music. I'm tired of hearing songs fade out, loose segues and music being buried under imaging.
 
What was the rush to get the format on so suddenly? I understand the Emmis folks
are not stupid...so why launch before Dees hits the air...and the streaming is operating?
Maybe I'm missing the obvious...
 
I wondered the same thing, Chris. Why not gear it up for a Labor Day weekend splash and actually have had Dees do his first
live show on Mon., Sept. 4th (Labor Day) so listeners could check it out before returning to work on Tuesday. It would have been
a solid double whammy. I wonder if it was a deadline agreed upon by all parties that "just came around quicker than expected."
Certainly to not have the most well known name in LA radio there to kick things off will not give Movin the extra rating boost,
energy or talk-about factor it could have experienced. Still, the buzz is pretty far reaching.

So far, KBIG appears to be a sitting duck. CC better react.
 
romer979fm said:
What was the rush to get the format on so suddenly? I understand the Emmis folks
are not stupid...so why launch before Dees hits the air...and the streaming is operating?
Maybe I'm missing the obvious...
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I'd say there is one good reason besides getting the "bugs" out of the format. To build Dees his own studio or at least modify the current one for him. They are currently running Movin 93.9 out of a production room not the on-air studio. It will be interesting to see if Dees got what he was promised at K-Earth, his own rotary pot board and studio. I don't Rick has worked in a live on-air situation without carts or a rotary board.

Here's some fun reading. Comments from those around L.A. about Rick Dees new gig http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/8233025.html
 
KZLA format flip is national news

It made the Associated Press wire; Fark linked to the version posted by the San Fran. Chronicle.

KZLA dropping country is going to be just like WCBS-FM in New York dropping oldies last year -- a format flip that angers the public and will be a PR nightmare in the long run. If it's true that Clear Channel is getting ready to take one of its Los Angeles stations country, do it!

The end of the AP story mentions K-Frog in San Berdoo and KHAY in Ventura County. I don't see those 2 stations cashing in because they concentrate on their home markets.
 
KZLA dropping country is going to be just like WCBS-FM in New York dropping oldies last year -- a format flip that angers the public and will be a PR nightmare in the long run. If it's true that Clear Channel is getting ready to take one of its Los Angeles stations country, do it!


I don't think the format flip on KZLA will have the same public outcry as did WCBS's flip to Jack. Remember, WCBS did great as an oldies station and had great ratings. I believe KZLA will have its best ratings ever as Movin' 93-9. And I'm a huge country fan. I just felt KZLA was never properly programmed right. I say this with a great deal of respect for RJ Curtis.
 
I'm not sure if anyone has been listening to 104-3 K B I G. But they are certainly responding to the new Movin 93.9. Have you been hearing their major mix weekends? They are really modifying the music. I've heard old school hip hop, spanish rock and reggaeton in the mix. But I think Movin is a K B I G 2. It plays the same music except the disco. I prefer K B I G better. At least you'll hear dance music on their station. Movin plays old school dance, which is cool but it gets tiring. I hope movin plays current dance music or maybe kbig can go current dance music, like their sister station in New York KTU.
 
socamex26 said:
I'm not sure if anyone has been listening to 104-3 K B I G. But they are certainly responding to the new Movin 93.9. Have you been hearing their major mix weekends? They are really modifying the music. I've heard old school hip hop, spanish rock and reggaeton in the mix. But I think Movin is a K B I G 2. It plays the same music except the disco. I prefer K B I G better. At least you'll hear dance music on their station. Movin plays old school dance, which is cool but it gets tiring. I hope movin plays current dance music or maybe kbig can go current dance music, like their sister station in New York KTU.
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KZLA is VERY tight. Same gold is playing 2-3 times/day - while KBIG is much broader. KZLA sounds targeted to white first, Hispanic second...
 
only1moore said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Rhythmic titles start expanding as we post this.
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It looks like I was right:

15 Gwen Stefani, Cool
16 Gnarls Barkley, Crazy
17 Shakira, Hips Don't Lie (w/ Wyclef Jean)
18 Rihanna, SOS (Rescue Me)
19 Nelly Furtado, Promiscuous (w/ Timbaland)
20 Black Eyed Peas, My Humps
24 Natasha Bedingfield, Unwritten
48 Beyonce, Check On It (w/ Slim Thug)
53 Deee-Lite, Groove Is In The Heart
54 Sean Paul, Temperature
55 Black Eyed Peas, Don't Lie
56 Gorillaz, Feel Good Inc.
68 Janet Jackson, Together Again
69 Earth Wind & Fire, Let's Groove
70 Inoj, Time After Time
71 Blondie, Rapture
72 Sean Paul, We Be Burnin'
73 La Bouche, Be My Lover
74 Frankie J, Obsession (No Es Amor)
75 Yaz, Situation
76 Michel'le, No More Lies
77 The Pussycat Dolls, Don't Cha
78 Jennifer Lopez, All I Have (w/ LL Cool J)
79 Cece Peniston, Finally
80 Usher, Yeah (w/ Lil' Jon & Ludacris)
81 Lisa Stansfield, All Around The World
82 Quad City DJ's, C'mon N' Ride It (The Train)
83 Black Eyed Peas, Let's Get It Started
84 Michael Jackson, Billie Jean
85 Baby Bash, Suga Suga
86 Mariah Carey, Fantasy
87 Ace Of Base, The Sign
88 Mark Morrison, Return Of The Mack
89 Daft Punk, Around The World
90 Shaggy, Angel (w/ Rayvon)
91 Frankie J, More Than Words
92 Des'Ree, You Gotta Be
93 Janet Jackson, That's The Way Love Goes
94 Black Eyed Peas, Where Is The Love (w/ Justin Timberlake)
95 Ne-Yo, So Sick
96 Mariah Carey, It's Like That (w/ Jermaine Dupri & Fatman Scoop)
97 Christina Aguilera, Fighter
98 Beyonce, Baby Boy (w/ Sean Paul)
99 Sean Paul, I'm Still In Love With You (w/ Sasha)
100 Debbie Deb, Lookout Weekend
 
Tibbs2 said:
I wondered the same thing, Chris. Why not gear it up for a Labor Day weekend splash and actually have had Dees do his first
live show on Mon., Sept. 4th (Labor Day) so listeners could check it out before returning to work on Tuesday. It would have been
a solid double whammy. I wonder if it was a deadline agreed upon by all parties that "just came around quicker than expected."
Certainly to not have the most well known name in LA radio there to kick things off will not give Movin the extra rating boost,
energy or talk-about factor it could have experienced. Still, the buzz is pretty far reaching.

So far, KBIG appears to be a sitting duck. CC better react.
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Yes but look at all the publicity that they gained by doing it this way! ;)
 
To build Dees his own studio or at least modify the current one for him they are currently running Movin 93.9 out of a production room not the on-air studio. It will be interesting to see if Dees got what he was promised at K-Earth, his own rotary pot board and studio. I don't ->think<- Rick has worked in a live on-air situation without carts or a rotary board.
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Watching all of this unfold from Buffalo (New York) is amusing, and the "rotary pots" reference brings back memories of the Gates Stereo Statesman and Ampex 440-C's with punch-in sel-sync. Has Rick ever learned to use Cool Edit-Adobe, ProTools, etc. or found out what can be done with digital editing? Don't get me wrong, analogue is cool, but the music on KZLA reflects today, not 1973. Why use blades and reels when it's quicker, easier and far more flexible to use 2006 technology? Rotary pots?!

Oh, right... It's Rick Dees, he's getting $3M and he likes rotary pots.

Don't forget the Technics turntables, ITC cart decks and MacIntosh studio monitor amps and Koss Pro-4AA's too.[/Mike]
 
MikeRadknowski said:
To build Dees his own studio or at least modify the current one for him they are currently running Movin 93.9 out of a production room not the on-air studio. It will be interesting to see if Dees got what he was promised at K-Earth, his own rotary pot board and studio. I don't ->think<- Rick has worked in a live on-air situation without carts or a rotary board.
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Watching all of this unfold from Buffalo (New York) is amusing, and the "rotary pots" reference brings back memories of the Gates Stereo Statesman and Ampex 440-C's with punch-in sel-sync. Has Rick ever learned to use Cool Edit-Adobe, ProTools, etc. or found out what can be done with digital editing? Don't get me wrong, analogue is cool, but the music on KZLA reflects today, not 1973. Why use blades and reels when it's quicker, easier and far more flexible to use 2006 technology? Rotary pots?!

Oh, right... It's Rick Dees, he's getting $3M and he likes rotary pots.

Don't forget the Technics turntables, ITC cart decks and MacIntosh studio monitor amps and Koss Pro-4AA's too.[/Mike]
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Apparently Dees will be broadcasting from his own studio location in Burbank, not KZLA. And he will be using an old rotary pot board that he currently uses to do his Weekly Top 40 show.
 
Radioresearcher said:
socamex26 said:
I'm not sure if anyone has been listening to 104-3 K B I G. But they are certainly responding to the new Movin 93.9. Have you been hearing their major mix weekends? They are really modifying the music. I've heard old school hip hop, spanish rock and reggaeton in the mix. But I think Movin is a K B I G 2. It plays the same music except the disco. I prefer K B I G better. At least you'll hear dance music on their station. Movin plays old school dance, which is cool but it gets tiring. I hope movin plays current dance music or maybe kbig can go current dance music, like their sister station in New York KTU.
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KZLA sounds targeted to white first, Hispanic second...
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Not according to Rick Cummings:

"The Los Angeles radio market is basically 40% Hispanic, 11% Asian and 8% black, and country fans are about 98% Caucasian," said Rick Cummings, a top executive at KZLA's parent company, Emmis Communications Corp. "My job is to attract as large an audience as possible. KZLA is now playing music that appeals to Hispanic adult women, and that will hopefully attract other suburban women of different ethnicities."

See the rest of the article "The Reason Why KZLA Up and Left for Another Fan" here
http://www.calendarlive.com/tv/cl-fi-radio20aug20,0,7070527.story?coll=cl-tv-features
 
This is for the guy making fun of Rick's use of an RCA BC7A. The consoles Rick uses are state of the art, the electronics were all replaced. Rick prefers the feel and touch of a rotary pot board. I don't blame him, it's a tighter ride, if you have the dexterity to pull it off. In fact have a Gates stereo statesman geared up for my new internet station, one thing I've noticed is the vibe these boards put out, that cockpit look which radio studios once had. Now replaced with a half dozen computers, & a slide pot board, control rooms often times look as mundane as the programming they run.

Dees is a tradtionalist, like Donald Fagen on the cover of the album "Nightfly", if it gives him a mental edge, so be it.
 
zumahans said:
Is he going to phone in his show from Tennessee again?
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Kentucky, not Tennessee. And he never "phoned" it in so-to-say. He had a duplicate of his L.A. studio on The Farm. Rick lives in Toluca Lake close to his own studio in Burbank where he'll do his show (not Emmis' studios).
 
This is for the guy making fun of Rick's use of an RCA BC7A. The consoles Rick uses are state of the art, the electronics were all replaced. Rick prefers the feel and touch of a rotary pot board. I don't blame him, it's a tighter ride, if you have the dexterity to pull it off. In fact have a Gates stereo statesman geared up for my new internet station, one thing I've noticed is the vibe these boards put out, that cockpit look which radio studios once had. Now replaced with a half dozen computers, & a slide pot board, control rooms often times look as mundane as the programming they run.

Dees is a tradtionalist, like Donald Fagen on the cover of the album "Nightfly", if it gives him a mental edge, so be it.
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Hey brother, I wasn't making "fun of," I said it was "amusing," especially given the technology today and the amount o' cash the RD makes.

Notice the stuff I mentioned, from the Stereo Statesman to Ampex 440-C's... there's a reason: I too have much of the same gear... along with Crown amps and other analogue stuff that accumulated over the years, and some new digital stuff too.

Oh yeah, there's shelves of vinyl, from the Allman Brothers to ZZ Top, Tears For Fears, Ramones, Flock Of Seagulls, Horselips and other eclectic stuff that I've resisted selling or getting rid of... Technics turntables to play it on, too.

I'm sufficiently long in the tooth to have worked with Autogram, Collins, RCA, Gates, McMartin, CCA and even Sparta boards... all with rotary pots. (step, wire-wound and carbon.) Today, I prefer a clean, modern board with smooth graduated linear faders.

I'm out of radio by choice, having had a good run in small to medium markets. Now I rehab, paint and renovate houses for a living, but I still visit these boards to hear what the insiders and pros are up to and get the pulse of markets large and small.

Fagen's an icon and the cover of the LP mentioned, which I have on vinyl, is a classic. I worked in a few studios that looked remarkably similar and the studios' acoustics always sounded great even though they reeked of nicotine.[/BuffaloMike]
 
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