Large Metro Areas w/o Major Signals

[11south]

Re: WIBC nighttime coverage

> > But if you live in Lafayette or Columbus, you can get
> them,
> > at least according to RadioLocator.com.
> >
> That Radio-Locator contour seems a bit exaggerated to me...I
> live within the contour and don't get the signal at all when
> they're on night power...not even when I drive a few miles
> toward the tower site...which is at least ten miles from the
> border.
>
> I remember a much tighter contour last time I looked at
> R-L's WIBC page...or that could have been the FCC's WIBC
> map. The one I remember missed almost all of Hendricks,
> Morgan, and Hamilton counties, and a lot of Boone too.
>
The radio locator map is pretty close. You have a bad radio most likely. I live at 146th Street and US 31 and it comes in ok....then it disappears as you travel north and east from there.

As the engineers say at WIBC when you call to complain about the signal..."move to someplace inside the pattern."

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[11south]

> I'd put Indianapolis in that category. WIBC, though 50,000
> watts daytime has a highly directional 10,000 watt signal at
> night that misses up and coming suburbs like Carmel and
> Noblesville. WNDE probably has the best nighttime AM
> coverage but its not that good.
>
> I remember seeing a marketing piece for a station on the
> east coast from the 70s...it said "W??? beats the h**l out
> of WABC, WIBG, (listed others).. Over a million people in a
> market that doesn't exist".
>
None of the AM stations in Indianapolis have a very good nighttime...they are all sandwiched in between others on the same frequency,...because in the 1930's when Indianapolis was small, and radio stations were allocated....the signals that were allocated covered everyone just fine.

WIBC went to 50Kw days in the 1940's from a transmitter located on the NW side of town...worked fine for years. They were forced to move in the 1960's to their current location because of the construction of Interstate 465. At that time they tried to get a synchronous transmitter authorization for Noblesville, but that was blocked by CBA-Moncton, NB...the 1070 clear channel on the frequency to the east.

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[davideduardo]

> Isn't the definition of "blowtorch" any full-time 50 kW
> station regardless of whether it's directional or not?

To me, a blowtorch is a station that saturates its market with a solid, listenable signal. 5 kw KNAX in Yyankton is a true blowtorch, while 50 kw KBLA in LA is not.

In my opinion, the USA has no blowtorch AMs at all. But that is a mistake made long ago that can not be rectified.
>
> There was no way that Phoenix could have received a 1-A
> allocation back then since the market wasn't big enough to
> justify it, but stations were allowed to upgrade.

Nobody ever upgraded to an original 1 A. And the secondary stations on the 1 A channels, like 1100 in Grand Junction or 660 in window Rock were specifically granted to give first coverage to gray areas when AM was a lot more important than it is today.
>
> With a metro population of under 100,000 at the time,
> Phoenix couldn't support any more than the two stations it
> had in the '30s - KTAR 620 and KOY 1390. The FCC did allow
> KOY to move to 550 in 1940 - a much better spot on the dial
> - and they allowed a daytime power increase to 5000 watts
> (it had been 1000 watts fulltime on 1390).

All primary regionals were allowed to go to 5 kw day and 1 kw night at some point in the late 30's.
>
> As an example, take 1230. It was KRIZ between 1950 and 1978
> and KOY now. KRIZ was a Top-40 powerhouse in the '60s
> despite its 250-watt nighttime signal. KRIZ did cover the
> market pretty well from the near-southwest side of the city,
> something that KOY's current 1000 watts can't do. The area
> is too big now.
>
> We may have to agree to disagree, but I stand by what I
> said.

The issue is pretty much moot now. FM has 80% of th elistening, and most decent FMs cover vastly more than any of the AMs. Since so little listening is done at night, the day signal is what matters. And I can hear both KFYI and KTAR well at my place in Prescott, except in storms. And that is way outside the revenue market for Phoenix.

 

[FloridaBear1776]

> Since so little listening is done at night, the
> day signal is what matters.

Up to Half of morning drive, dependent on region and season, is pre-sunrise.
This will especially be true next year, once daylight saving begins in March. and the vast majority of AMs in the USA will be working with compromised signals in the most listened to daypart.

 

[davideduardo]

> > Since so little listening is done at night, the
> > day signal is what matters.
>
> Up to Half of morning drive, dependent on region and season,
> is pre-sunrise.
> This will especially be true next year, once daylight saving
> begins in March. and the vast majority of AMs in the USA
> will be working with compromised signals in the most
> listened to daypart.

Good point. But Morning drive is 6 to 10 AM, and in very few markets is surnrise after 7:30, leaving 2.5 hours of AM drive PM Drive is the real loss, since PM drive and AM drive actually have very close to the same listening... and are almost flat in PPM measurement.

 

[OldiesCat]

Metro Areas

Broward County is part of the Miami metro area. What you're saying would be the same as saying in the Detroit market, Macomb county has no AM radio identity. Who cares? WJR, CKLW, WWJ, WXYZ, WDFN and most other important AMs cover the county in this metro just fine. Just because a station's city of license is in a particular county, that doesn't mean they can or should target programming to that county only or avoid coverage of surrounding counties. Goodness, that just makes no sense in a major/large metro area.

The area around Gary, IN may have near a half-million people but is generally considered a satellite market of the Chicago DMA. There are 4 AMs licensed to the Gary/Hammond/Michigan City area and are perfectly capable of providing compelling local programming and it's their choice to do so.

> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
>
> Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort
> Lauderdale
> and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
> no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
> the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
> COL.
>
> If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
> Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
> Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
> line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
> city!
>
> 73s from 954
>

 

[dave73]

Re: Metro Areas

> The area around Gary, IN may have near a half-million people
> but is generally considered a satellite market of the
> Chicago DMA. There are 4 AMs licensed to the
> Gary/Hammond/Michigan City area and are perfectly capable of
> providing compelling local programming and it's their choice
> to do so.

>
I live in Gary Indiana and these are the stations that serve NW Indiana:

88.7 WGVE Gary, IN (various programming) a 2.1kw non-commercial station that is run by the Gary Public School Corporation. Programming varies, but during the school year on weekdays, programs originate from the Gary Area Career Center. On weekends and during the summer, it's mostly automated. The station never ID's at the top of the hour like other non-commercial stations and commercial stations do.

1270AM WWCA Gary, IN (Starboard's satellite Revelvant Radio Network) 1KW Directional on same pattern both day & night

1370AM WLTH Gary, IN (mostly satellite programming during the day and occasional gospel programming during overnight & weekends) 1KW ND Day & .5kw directional at night from a separate site.

1230AM WJOB Hammond, IN (future of the station is unknown, but they air lots of satellite & Sporting News Radio programming. Station almost got sold to Starboard after St. George Broadcasting went bankrupt and couldn't buy the station they had an LMA with M&M Broadcasting, but Starboard backed out and decided to bring the WWCA site back to life after that station was off the air for 9 years.)

92.3 WPWX Hammond Indiana (Hip-Hop) NW Indiana's only 50kw H/44kw V directional station. They market themselves more to Chicago's south side than to NW Indiana, especially when the station's studios are in Hammond, but the studio has a Chicago phone number only, instead of having a Hammond studio line for NW Indiana listeners.

107.1 WZVN Lowell, IN (WW1 Hot AC) a 3kw equivalent station that runs mostly WW1 Hot AC, but has a local show from 5-9am CST. Studios were originally in the WJOB building until M&M Broadcasting sold off the station along with WJOB. Their studios are now at the same facilities as WAKE & WLJE in Valparaiso Indiana.

103.9 WXRD Crown Point, IN (satellite Classic Rock) a 3kw station running all satellite, including the syndicated Bob & Tom show from Indianapolis. They used to have studios in Crown Point, but Radio One Communications (formerly Porter County Broadcasting) runs it from their facilities in Valparaiso Indiana.

105.5 WLJE Valparaiso, IN (Country) a 3kw equivalent station that has local staff for all dayparts except for 7pm-midnight, which they air Lia (I think that's her name). I believe she's on the Jones Radio Network. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

1500AM WAKE Valparaiso, IN (ABC Standards) a daytimer that runs on 1kw directional and now airs at night on .025kw, mainly heard in Valparaiso and a few miles outside of the city limits at night. They aren't once local except for occasional news.

750AM WNDZ Portage, IN (brokered programming) a 2.5kw daytime station that markets themselves more toward Chicago instead of NW Indiana, especially since it's run by Newsweb. Newsweb tried to get the COL changed to Calumet City, IL, but it was denied since WNDZ is the only station licensed to Portage, IN.

88.3 Chesterton, IN (various programming) a .4kw non-commercial station run by the Duneland Community School System. I don't know what's on it, but I believe students run the programming during the school year.

89.5 WBEW Chesterton, IN (simulcast of WBEZ Chicago) Originally licensed to Michigan City, but if I remember correctly, the station never went on the air, and when the owners of WBEZ got ahold of the license, they put it on the air and changed the COL to Chesterton, and I don't know if they upgraded to a Class B license. The station is suppose to go to a severely directional 50kw station, protecting WUBS on 89.7 in South Bend and WONU in Kankakee, also on 89.7.

Those are stations licensed to Lake & Porter Counties, which are part of the Chicago DMA. LaPorte County isn't in any metropolitan market. But these are the stations that serve LaPorte County:

WEFM 95.9 Michigan City, IN (format unknown) They operate locally with what sounds like a local staff. The station is automated during the overnight hours. They're a 3kw station.

1410AM WIMS Michigan City, IN (runs Sporting News Radio 24 hours a day) Since St George Broadcasting's bankruptcy, the station hasn't operated locally. There isn't a local staff at all, and the station might get sold again. They're a 5kw station day on 2 towers and on 5 towers at night at the same wattage.

96.7 WCOE LaPorte, IN (Country) a 3kw station airing country music and local sports. I don't know if they're all local, or if the music is satellite.

1540AM WLOI LaPorte, IN (Nostalgia) a .25kw daytimer that sounds like they air satellite programming.

89.9 WHLP Hanna, IN (religious programming) an 8.8kw B1 non-commercial station that is run by Calvary Chapel.

 

[954]

Re: Metro Areas

> Broward County is part of the Miami metro area. What you're
> saying would be the same as saying in the Detroit market,
> Macomb county has no AM radio identity. Who cares?

There are almost 2 million people in Broward,
many of whom don't give a flying fig about
what happens in Miami -- and go there as
infrequently as possible, if at all.

If your interest in radio is just
consultant-dictated music, no big deal.

But if you're interested in news and talk
relevant to your community and Miami is the
focus of all your local stations, then this
is a big deal.

That's who cares.

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[OldiesCat]

Metro Areas

I get there are almost 2 million people in Broward County- and I suspect that because many of them work, do business and have family in Metro Dade, they certainly DO care. I mean, really, you absolutely have some people on both sides who don't care about the other but you can't just make such a blanket statement and be taken seriously.

If you have a better idea, present it to WFTL or somebody who broadcasts in Broward. It's easy to whine but it's highly respectable to DO something about it.

>
> There are almost 2 million people in Broward,
> many of whom don't give a flying fig about
> what happens in Miami -- and go there as
> infrequently as possible, if at all.
>
> If your interest in radio is just
> consultant-dictated music, no big deal.
>
> But if you're interested in news and talk
> relevant to your community and Miami is the
> focus of all your local stations, then this
> is a big deal.
>
> That's who cares.
>

 

[OldiesCat]

Metro Areas

Nice job.
>
> >
> I live in Gary Indiana and these are the stations that serve
> NW Indiana:
>
> 88.7 WGVE Gary, IN (various programming) a 2.1kw
> non-commercial station that is run by the Gary Public School
> Corporation. Programming varies, but during the school year
> on weekdays, programs originate from the Gary Area Career
> Center. On weekends and during the summer, it's mostly
> automated. The station never ID's at the top of the hour
> like other non-commercial stations and commercial stations
> do.
>
> 1270AM WWCA Gary, IN (Starboard's satellite Revelvant Radio
> Network) 1KW Directional on same pattern both day & night
>
> 1370AM WLTH Gary, IN (mostly satellite programming during
> the day and occasional gospel programming during overnight &
> weekends) 1KW ND Day & .5kw directional at night from a
> separate site.
>
> 1230AM WJOB Hammond, IN (future of the station is unknown,
> but they air lots of satellite & Sporting News Radio
> programming. Station almost got sold to Starboard after St.
> George Broadcasting went bankrupt and couldn't buy the
> station they had an LMA with M&M Broadcasting, but Starboard
> backed out and decided to bring the WWCA site back to life
> after that station was off the air for 9 years.)
>
> 92.3 WPWX Hammond Indiana (Hip-Hop) NW Indiana's only 50kw
> H/44kw V directional station. They market themselves more
> to Chicago's south side than to NW Indiana, especially when
> the station's studios are in Hammond, but the studio has a
> Chicago phone number only, instead of having a Hammond
> studio line for NW Indiana listeners.
>
> 107.1 WZVN Lowell, IN (WW1 Hot AC) a 3kw equivalent station
> that runs mostly WW1 Hot AC, but has a local show from 5-9am
> CST. Studios were originally in the WJOB building until M&M
> Broadcasting sold off the station along with WJOB. Their
> studios are now at the same facilities as WAKE & WLJE in
> Valparaiso Indiana.
>
> 103.9 WXRD Crown Point, IN (satellite Classic Rock) a 3kw
> station running all satellite, including the syndicated Bob
> & Tom show from Indianapolis. They used to have studios in
> Crown Point, but Radio One Communications (formerly Porter
> County Broadcasting) runs it from their facilities in
> Valparaiso Indiana.
>
> 105.5 WLJE Valparaiso, IN (Country) a 3kw equivalent station
> that has local staff for all dayparts except for
> 7pm-midnight, which they air Lia (I think that's her name).
> I believe she's on the Jones Radio Network. Correct me if
> I'm wrong on that.
>
> 1500AM WAKE Valparaiso, IN (ABC Standards) a daytimer that
> runs on 1kw directional and now airs at night on .025kw,
> mainly heard in Valparaiso and a few miles outside of the
> city limits at night. They aren't once local except for
> occasional news.
>
> 750AM WNDZ Portage, IN (brokered programming) a 2.5kw
> daytime station that markets themselves more toward Chicago
> instead of NW Indiana, especially since it's run by Newsweb.
> Newsweb tried to get the COL changed to Calumet City, IL,
> but it was denied since WNDZ is the only station licensed to
> Portage, IN.
>
> 88.3 Chesterton, IN (various programming) a .4kw
> non-commercial station run by the Duneland Community School
> System. I don't know what's on it, but I believe students
> run the programming during the school year.
>
> 89.5 WBEW Chesterton, IN (simulcast of WBEZ Chicago)
> Originally licensed to Michigan City, but if I remember
> correctly, the station never went on the air, and when the
> owners of WBEZ got ahold of the license, they put it on the
> air and changed the COL to Chesterton, and I don't know if
> they upgraded to a Class B license. The station is suppose
> to go to a severely directional 50kw station, protecting
> WUBS on 89.7 in South Bend and WONU in Kankakee, also on
> 89.7.
>
> Those are stations licensed to Lake & Porter Counties, which
> are part of the Chicago DMA. LaPorte County isn't in any
> metropolitan market. But these are the stations that serve
> LaPorte County:
>
> WEFM 95.9 Michigan City, IN (format unknown) They operate
> locally with what sounds like a local staff. The station is
> automated during the overnight hours. They're a 3kw
> station.
>
> 1410AM WIMS Michigan City, IN (runs Sporting News Radio 24
> hours a day) Since St George Broadcasting's bankruptcy, the
> station hasn't operated locally. There isn't a local staff
> at all, and the station might get sold again. They're a 5kw
> station day on 2 towers and on 5 towers at night at the same
> wattage.
>
> 96.7 WCOE LaPorte, IN (Country) a 3kw station airing
> country music and local sports. I don't know if they're all
> local, or if the music is satellite.
>
> 1540AM WLOI LaPorte, IN (Nostalgia) a .25kw daytimer that
> sounds like they air satellite programming.
>
> 89.9 WHLP Hanna, IN (religious programming) an 8.8kw B1
> non-commercial station that is run by Calvary Chapel.
>

 

[954]

Broward

> I get there are almost 2 million people in Broward County-
> and I suspect that because many of them work, do business
> and have family in Metro Dade, they certainly DO care. I

Many of them have family in New York or Havana, too.
So what? It's a different place.

Forty years ago, all of Broward was considered a
bedroom community for Miami. That's ancient history.

With 1.8 million people (2004 estimate) Broward now
has its own culture, problems, and politics.

Many -- maybe most -- people in Broward rarely or never go
south of the county line. Probably more so than ever before,
because it's increasingly hard to find people who speak
English there, except for specific destinations (like
doctors and trade shows, my only reason for ever going).

Go to a mall in Dade and you may have trouble finding
someone who speaks English. This is not new. I had that
experience in Hialeah 20 years ago and I'm sure it's
worse now.

Tangentially, that brings me to my anecdote about why
Cuban restaurants are better in Broward than Dade. In
Miami, they are the indigenous food, competing with
McDonalds, diners. coffee shops, and Denny's. But in
Broward, they are exotic ethnic food, competing with
Italian, Chinese, Greek, Caribbean, Mexican, Japanese,
Deli, and so on. So they have to be better to compete.
The Dade and Broward markets are soooo different!

> mean, really, you absolutely have some people on both sides
> who don't care about the other but you can't just make such
> a blanket statement and be taken seriously.
>
> If you have a better idea, present it to WFTL or somebody
> who broadcasts in Broward. It's easy to whine but it's
> highly respectable to DO something about it.

WFTL tried local talk but gave up.

Most of the stations licensed to Broward cities are either:
1. Brokered.
2. Owned by CC or Beasley or Jefferson-Pilot, which have no reason to change the status quo.

From what I've heard, nothing James Crystal is doing
with any of its stations (including WFTL) is getting
them decent ratings. And they're trying to promote
WFTL as competition for CC's talkers in both Miami
and WPB, meaning it serves neither well.

Oh well.

73s from 954

And
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[OldiesCat]

Broward

And you proved my point. You and a few others might be very interested in "local" talk about your city or county but most aren't (right or wrong).

Radio's job is to fulfill lisener expectation. If the audience largely does not want community issues talk for a specific county in a metro, they why try and jam it down their throats?

Radio, just like any business, is based on supply-and-demand. We supply what they demand. We may have the best idea for a square peg but if all the demand is for round pegs, we're S.O.L.

>
> WFTL tried local talk but gave up.
>
> Most of the stations licensed to Broward cities are either:
> 1. Brokered.
> 2. Owned by CC or Beasley or Jefferson-Pilot, which have no
> reason to change the status quo.
>
> From what I've heard, nothing James Crystal is doing
> with any of its stations (including WFTL) is getting
> them decent ratings. And they're trying to promote
> WFTL as competition for CC's talkers in both Miami
> and WPB, meaning it serves neither well.
>
> Oh well.
>
> 73s from 954
>
> And
>

 

[954]

Broward talk

> And you proved my point. You and a few others might be very
> interested in "local" talk about your city or county but
> most aren't (right or wrong).

I don't think James Crystal's WFTL is doing well
with its syndicated talk, either.
It's not a failure of local talk.
It's a management problem. They have a good signal.

And with a two-county market, CC's WINZ and WIOD
have the big-bucks home-team advantage.

I'm listening to the syndicated Dave Ramsey show
right now, January 26, on James Crystal's WDJA.
I just heard a spot for children's holiday tennis camp,
running from December through January 6. I've never
heard goofs like that on Clear Channel.

Just because they botched local talk doesn't mean
local talk can't be done. It was done by WFTL's
previous owners (one of whome was STEVE KANE), on
a graveyard channel.

JC also has a one-page web site for WFTL on two
different domains, about Hurricane Katrina refugees
in Houston. It hasn't been changed in months. There's
no info about WFTL programming.

Can you say OLD NEWS?

James Crystal has also fired and/or misused a number
of their best people over the last few years. But I've
posted about that before.

> Radio's job is to fulfill lisener expectation. If the
> audience largely does not want community issues talk for a
> specific county in a metro, they why try and jam it down
> their throats?
>
> Radio, just like any business, is based on
> supply-and-demand. We supply what they demand. We may have
> the best idea for a square peg but if all the demand is for
> round pegs, we're S.O.L.
>
> > WFTL tried local talk but gave up.
> >
> > Most of the stations licensed to Broward cities are
> either:
> > 1. Brokered.
> > 2. Owned by CC or Beasley or Jefferson-Pilot, which have
> no
> > reason to change the status quo.
> >
> > From what I've heard, nothing James Crystal is doing
> > with any of its stations (including WFTL) is getting
> > them decent ratings. And they're trying to promote
> > WFTL as competition for CC's talkers in both Miami
> > and WPB, meaning it serves neither well.
> >
> > Oh well.
> >
> > 73s from 954
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[OldiesCat]

talk

Unfortunately, the pressure for profit (not unreasonable, since radio is a for-profit business LOL) makes it difficult for a lot of these folks to have the necessary patience to cultivate their audience. You can't really justify spending big $ marketing a 1kw AM station that's not designed to be mass-appeal. If you don't market it, you'll only grow so much of an audience. And, the few still "mom & pop" owned in signicantly sized markets have little saavy to pull it off successfully.

It IS a quandry.

 

[dave73]

> > Madison alone has a population of 501,774
> > The Metro area has a population of over 520,000
>
> It's also a top-100 market.
>
Madison is rated by just 3 counties. With that in mind, it's possible for a Class A 6kw station to outperform a 50kw Class B station in ratings. Some markets are only rated by just 1 county, and that's usually those under market #100.

 

[dave73]

> By your definition, Wilmington, Delaware would qualify. One
> class B at 5kw and two Class D's (both at the high end of
> the dial). Two FM's plus some rimshots counted as part of
> the market. Most everybody listens to Philly any way.
> Jacksonville is a different situation but no way a station
> in a peripheral market can compete, especially on AM. If an
> FM station in Northwest Indiana had a good stick, they'd br
> looking to get the their transmitter as close to Chicago as
> possible and get their COL changed so they are in the
> Chicago market.
>
NW Indiana has a Class B 50kw H/44kw V directional station, licensed to Hammond Indiana. I don't know if it was originally a Class B station, but I thought somewhere on a personal site, the station was originally a 3kw Class A when it originally signed on pre-1964. The reason they have a directional pattern is because they have to protect a 92.7 (WKIF) licensed to Kankakee Illinois, which signed on under the current rules, and they have to protect 92.5 in Dekalb Illinois (WDEK). They also have to protect WDOW on 92.1 in Dowagiac Michigan. WKIE on 92.7 is licensed to Arlington Heights Illinois, but is already short-spaced with WPWX on 92.3, and not sure if WPWX could even move their transmitter to Chicago, where the station is trying to serve rather than in and around Hammond Indiana. But all other FM stations are 3kw Class A stations. The AM stations are only 1kw, both directional & non-directional.
1230 WJOB is a Class C 1kw station
1370 WLTH is a Class B 1kw ND day/.5kw D night (night operations are from a separate site)
1270 WWCA is a Class B 1kw D day/night (same pattern for both day & night)
1500 WAKE is a Class D 1kw D day/.025kw night (same pattern)
750 WNDZ is a Class D 5kw D station (has a CP to upgrade to 15kw, but no night operations)

 

[peppertree]

Re: Metro Areas

I don't think that is a good generality. There are different cultures in Miami-Dade County than in Broward. Miami has Cuban, South American Spanish, South American Portugese (Brazil), Haitian and others who are not prominent in Broward County.

> I get there are almost 2 million people in Broward County-
> and I suspect that because many of them work, do business
> and have family in Metro Dade, they certainly DO care. I
> mean, really, you absolutely have some people on both sides
> who don't care about the other but you can't just make such
> a blanket statement and be taken seriously.
>
> If you have a better idea, present it to WFTL or somebody
> who broadcasts in Broward. It's easy to whine but it's
> highly respectable to DO something about it.
>
> >
> > There are almost 2 million people in Broward,
> > many of whom don't give a flying fig about
> > what happens in Miami -- and go there as
> > infrequently as possible, if at all.
> >
> > If your interest in radio is just
> > consultant-dictated music, no big deal.
> >
> > But if you're interested in news and talk
> > relevant to your community and Miami is the
> > focus of all your local stations, then this
> > is a big deal.
> >
> > That's who cares.
> >
>
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[peppertree]

Re: Broward

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[954]

Dade & Broward Cultures

> That is an exaggeration. I am sure I could find a person
> even on SW 8th Street who speaks English after one or two
> tries.

I don't dispute that.

What I said was "Go to a mall in Dade and you may have
trouble finding someone who speaks English. This is not
new. I had that experience in Hialeah 20 years ago and
I'm sure it's worse now."

I meant a sales clerk who could be of assistance,
if that wasn't clear. (I'm sure shoppers who can
speak English can be found without too much effort.)

This is no exaggeration. Like I said, it happened
to me. And it was in an anchor store, too.
Not a ma & pa store.

And Calle Ocho isn't a mall.

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Re: Metro Areas

> > The area around Gary, IN may have near a half-million
> people
> > but is generally considered a satellite market of the
> > Chicago DMA. There are 4 AMs licensed to the
> > Gary/Hammond/Michigan City area and are perfectly capable
> of
> > providing compelling local programming and it's their
> choice
> > to do so.
>>>>>
However, there isn't one that is capable of covering the entire region.
>>>>>
> >
> I live in Gary Indiana and these are the stations that serve
> NW Indiana:
>
> 88.7 WGVE Gary, IN (various programming) a 2.1kw
> non-commercial station that is run by the Gary Public School
> Corporation. Programming varies, but during the school year
> on weekdays, programs originate from the Gary Area Career
> Center. On weekends and during the summer, it's mostly
> automated. The station never ID's at the top of the hour
> like other non-commercial stations and commercial stations
> do.
>
> 1270AM WWCA Gary, IN (Starboard's satellite Revelvant Radio
> Network) 1KW Directional on same pattern both day & night
>
> 1370AM WLTH Gary, IN (mostly satellite programming during
> the day and occasional gospel programming during overnight &
> weekends) 1KW ND Day & .5kw directional at night from a
> separate site.
>>>>>>
WLTH, in the early 1960's was the former home of one Kris Erik Stevens of WLS and WCFL, Chicago, fame.
>>>>>>
> 1230AM WJOB Hammond, IN (future of the station is unknown,
> but they air lots of satellite & Sporting News Radio
> programming. Station almost got sold to Starboard after St.
> George Broadcasting went bankrupt and couldn't buy the
> station they had an LMA with M&M Broadcasting, but Starboard
> backed out and decided to bring the WWCA site back to life
> after that station was off the air for 9 years.)
>
> 92.3 WPWX Hammond Indiana (Hip-Hop) NW Indiana's only 50kw
> H/44kw V directional station. They market themselves more
> to Chicago's south side than to NW Indiana, especially when
> the station's studios are in Hammond, but the studio has a
> Chicago phone number only, instead of having a Hammond
> studio line for NW Indiana listeners.
>
> 107.1 WZVN Lowell, IN (WW1 Hot AC) a 3kw equivalent station
> that runs mostly WW1 Hot AC, but has a local show from 5-9am
> CST. Studios were originally in the WJOB building until M&M
> Broadcasting sold off the station along with WJOB. Their
> studios are now at the same facilities as WAKE & WLJE in
> Valparaiso Indiana.
>
> 103.9 WXRD Crown Point, IN (satellite Classic Rock) a 3kw
> station running all satellite, including the syndicated Bob
> & Tom show from Indianapolis. They used to have studios in
> Crown Point, but Radio One Communications (formerly Porter
> County Broadcasting) runs it from their facilities in
> Valparaiso Indiana.
>
> 105.5 WLJE Valparaiso, IN (Country) a 3kw equivalent station
> that has local staff for all dayparts except for
> 7pm-midnight, which they air Lia (I think that's her name).
> I believe she's on the Jones Radio Network. Correct me if
> I'm wrong on that.
>>>>>
Owner of WLJE, Leigh Ellis, is a member of the Country Music Hall of Fame, I believe.
>>>>>
> 1500AM WAKE Valparaiso, IN (ABC Standards) a daytimer that
> runs on 1kw directional and now airs at night on .025kw,
> mainly heard in Valparaiso and a few miles outside of the
> city limits at night. They aren't once local except for
> occasional news.
>
> 750AM WNDZ Portage, IN (brokered programming) a 2.5kw
> daytime station that markets themselves more toward Chicago
> instead of NW Indiana, especially since it's run by Newsweb.
> Newsweb tried to get the COL changed to Calumet City, IL,
> but it was denied since WNDZ is the only station licensed to
> Portage, IN.
>
> 88.3 Chesterton, IN (various programming) a .4kw
> non-commercial station run by the Duneland Community School
> System. I don't know what's on it, but I believe students
> run the programming during the school year.
>
> 89.5 WBEW Chesterton, IN (simulcast of WBEZ Chicago)
> Originally licensed to Michigan City, but if I remember
> correctly, the station never went on the air, and when the
> owners of WBEZ got ahold of the license, they put it on the
> air and changed the COL to Chesterton, and I don't know if
> they upgraded to a Class B license. The station is suppose
> to go to a severely directional 50kw station, protecting
> WUBS on 89.7 in South Bend and WONU in Kankakee, also on
> 89.7.
>
> Those are stations licensed to Lake & Porter Counties, which
> are part of the Chicago DMA. LaPorte County isn't in any
> metropolitan market. But these are the stations that serve
> LaPorte County:
>
> WEFM 95.9 Michigan City, IN (format unknown) They operate
> locally with what sounds like a local staff. The station is
> automated during the overnight hours. They're a 3kw
> station.
>
> 1410AM WIMS Michigan City, IN (runs Sporting News Radio 24
> hours a day) Since St George Broadcasting's bankruptcy, the
> station hasn't operated locally. There isn't a local staff
> at all, and the station might get sold again. They're a 5kw
> station day on 2 towers and on 5 towers at night at the same
> wattage.
>>>>>>
This used to be a very good live and local station during the day. Here in southern LaPorte County, it is virtually unlistenable at night due to its highly directional signal, mostly over Lake Michigan.
>>>>>>
> 96.7 WCOE LaPorte, IN (Country) a 3kw station airing
> country music and local sports. I don't know if they're all
> local, or if the music is satellite.
>
> 1540AM WLOI LaPorte, IN (Nostalgia) a .25kw daytimer that
> sounds like they air satellite programming.
>
> 89.9 WHLP Hanna, IN (religious programming) an 8.8kw B1
> non-commercial station that is run by Calvary Chapel.
>