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Like 80s Rock?

TheRover said:
scottsvb5 said:
classic rock stations should
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Should just pack it in and go home.

Should just Dry up and Go Away !

Should change to "ROCK" stations, and play something other than the "alcoholic" hits for pool halls music...

Should apologize for insulting the musical tastes of those that love music beyond their tight and narrow corporate consultant driven playlists... :)
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Well put!
 
You've got ton of great bands from the 80's that don't fit the mold you hear on radio.

The Smithereens,Camper Van Beethoven,REM,Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper,TSOL,Husker Du,Billy Idol,Wall of Voodoo, The Dead Kennedys,Sonic Youth,...........sheesh I could go on for days.
 
Aljr said:
You've got ton of great bands from the 80's that don't fit the mold you hear on radio.

The Smithereens,Camper Van Beethoven,REM,Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper,TSOL,Husker Du,Billy Idol,Wall of Voodoo, The Dead Kennedys,Sonic Youth,...........sheesh I could go on for days.
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Yeaaaaah.... That's the PROBLEM Aljr ..... BIG Corporate Radio doesn't want you listening for "days".... just "Minutes"... Because, in their 21st Century Bizness Model.... Cume is "IN", and TSL .... is so "Yesterday" ! ! :-[
 
TheRover said:
Aljr said:
You've got ton of great bands from the 80's that don't fit the mold you hear on radio.

The Smithereens,Camper Van Beethoven,REM,Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper,TSOL,Husker Du,Billy Idol,Wall of Voodoo, The Dead Kennedys,Sonic Youth,...........sheesh I could go on for days.
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Yeaaaaah.... That's the PROBLEM Aljr ..... BIG Corporate Radio doesn't want you listening for "days".... just "Minutes"... Because, in their 21st Century Bizness Model.... Cume is "IN", and TSL .... is so "Yesterday" ! ! :-[
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Do you understand HOW radio stations are supposed to make money? Get a clue rover...it's the media ad buyers that want to see the cume...radio is just delivering what is needed if they're going to continue earning revenue thru the regional/national advertising agencies.

Would you want ten listeners tuning in for one hour, or 100 listeners tuning in for 20 minutes?

The more you understand the business behind the mic, the better you'll understand the "why" behind so many of the formatic structures that's heard on today's stations.
 
It's all about making money.

You've got to work your PD if you want to play that stuff,Rover. Get that stuff in here and there and let listeners flashback on what they were doing then. If it doesn't hurt the numbers,you push the envelope a little more. You can't just make it "Sex Pistols Sunday" if you've been playing a format of arena rock and power ballads.

Hmmmmm........."Sex Pistols Sunday"....... I'm copywriting that one. It'll be big in the senior citizens demo in 15 years.
 
How about get the REM out instead of the cliched get the Led out? . Every night at 10 play 3 REM songs! I'd love it. So would many other people. I've had iot with this bs 70's-80's hard rock-hair metal garabge! My music is better. I know it and you people who think otherwise can stick it!
 
My station at Live 365 plays the same 80's and more but with a 128 kbps stream! What is this station doing at 16 kbps?
 
wangchung said:
TheRover said:
Aljr said:
You've got ton of great bands from the 80's that don't fit the mold you hear on radio.

The Smithereens,Camper Van Beethoven,REM,Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper,TSOL,Husker Du,Billy Idol,Wall of Voodoo, The Dead Kennedys,Sonic Youth,...........sheesh I could go on for days.
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Yeaaaaah.... That's the PROBLEM Aljr ..... BIG Corporate Radio doesn't want you listening for "days".... just "Minutes"... Because, in their 21st Century Bizness Model.... Cume is "IN", and TSL .... is so "Yesterday" ! ! :-[
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Do you understand HOW radio stations are supposed to make money? Get a clue rover...it's the media ad buyers that want to see the cume...radio is just delivering what is needed if they're going to continue earning revenue thru the regional/national advertising agencies.

Would you want ten listeners tuning in for one hour, or 100 listeners tuning in for 20 minutes?

The more you understand the business behind the mic, the better you'll understand the "why" behind so many of the formatic structures that's heard on today's stations.
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Hey Wang...how about you play stuff that people want to hear again......like classic rock stations should be playing more hairbands and Metal from the mid 80s-early 90s....

That would get your 100 listeners for 20 minutes up to 5,000 listeners. When it comes to rock music... the alt rock music scene of the 90s is killing alternative stations of today cause you don't get the amount of 20 min listeners compared to the 20 min listener of a harder edge active rock station.

Rock stations would be alot higher in the ratings and make more revenue if they knew what to play in their 20 min listener sets....not the same crap over and over again. They wont even be listening to that crappy station..and the revenue advetiser will drop his add on your station.
 
wangchung said:
TheRover said:
Aljr said:
You've got ton of great bands from the 80's that don't fit the mold you hear on radio.

The Smithereens,Camper Van Beethoven,REM,Mojo Nixon and Skid Roper,TSOL,Husker Du,Billy Idol,Wall of Voodoo, The Dead Kennedys,Sonic Youth,...........sheesh I could go on for days.
Click to expand...

Yeaaaaah.... That's the PROBLEM Aljr ..... BIG Corporate Radio doesn't want you listening for "days".... just "Minutes"... Because, in their 21st Century Bizness Model.... Cume is "IN", and TSL .... is so "Yesterday" ! ! :-[
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Do you understand HOW radio stations are supposed to make money? Get a clue rover...it's the media ad buyers that want to see the cume...radio is just delivering what is needed if they're going to continue earning revenue thru the regional/national advertising agencies.

Would you want ten listeners tuning in for one hour, or 100 listeners tuning in for 20 minutes?

The more you understand the business behind the mic, the better you'll understand the "why" behind so many of the formatic structures that's heard on today's stations.
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Really... these numbers of "ten" listeners.... just demean the whole arguement....

Not Impressed..
 
But how much of the mainstream hair band music really has stood the test of time though?

Same thing with 90s mainstream grunge.

I don't know about you, but if I don't hear "Alive" by Pearl Jam or "Uncle Tom's Cabin" by Warrant ever again, I think I'll be o.k. with that.

I guess my original point in this thread was that there are a decent amount of great tracks out of the 80s that don't get much mainstream play, such as "Fantasy" by Aldo Nova or "Feel it Again" by Honeymoon Suite that deserve airplay, and that get regular airplay on a small amount of outlets (internet-only ones included).
 
Fantasy by Aldo Nova was a good song. I do hear that alot on different classic rock stations. Honeymoon Suite...well I'll pay a dolla to not hear that band.

I guess thats the problem. Everyone has their own kind of 80s music they like.
 
scottsvb5 said:
Hey Wang...how about you play stuff that people want to hear again......like classic rock stations should be playing more hairbands and Metal from the mid 80s-early 90s....

That would get your 100 listeners for 20 minutes up to 5,000 listeners. When it comes to rock music... the alt rock music scene of the 90s is killing alternative stations of today cause you don't get the amount of 20 min listeners compared to the 20 min listener of a harder edge active rock station.

Rock stations would be alot higher in the ratings and make more revenue if they knew what to play in their 20 min listener sets....not the same crap over and over again. They wont even be listening to that crappy station..and the revenue advetiser will drop his add on your station.
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I agree Scott, a strong quarter-hour can make all the difference. I tell my staff that you should be able to know everything about your station by listening to one quarter-hour....it's library, variety of genres and artists, etc.

First and foremost, you have to know what they want, and give it to them. There's nothing that will kill a station faster than NOT MEETING YOUR LISTENER'S EXPECTATIONS.

Now that doesn't mean you have to play Honeymoon Suite in a power-gold rotation (I did get a laff over that one!), but once in awhile is fine...IF that meets the sound of your station and is targeting the audience you want to attract. Just because Zeppelin...or Godsmack...rocks...doesn't mean they should be on ALL rock stations.

Get some hook testing with your P1s and give 'em what they want!!!
 
The love of commerical hits, like Aldo Nova's Fantasy is where I draw the line.

Let there be commerical stations that play NOTHING but the BIG Hits.

Then, let there be, at least ONE station, in the Market, that plays SOMETHING OTHER than the BIG commerical hits that we are sick of.

BY Definition..... the OTHER station plays what IS NOT being played at the BIG HITS ONLY station......


WHY IS THIS CONCEPT SO MISUNDERSTOOD ? ? ? ?

Radio serves ONLY the lowest common denominator......

That, is why radio is useless to me and others, that love something besides what the coporations decide to spoon feed the lowest common denominator.

What about us "in the middle" ? ? ? ? ?

We are not eccletic.... we just want something other than the standard big commerical hits over and over again.....

Whatever happend to the idea that "the public's airwaves" could be culturally uplifiting ?

Thanks for NOHING Congress !!
 
The guy above has made the same comments on other boards and others have attempted to explain why radio works the way it does...but, I will attempt to explain it again.

M-O-N-E-Y. Period.

Got no ratings? Got no money. Well, unless you have an absolutely awesome sales team, but those are few and far between. The sad fact of the matter is most if not all sales teams sell the numbers, not understanding the fact that if you live by the numbers, you die by the numbers.

Most radio listeners are not music experts, music lovers,etc. They just want to hear a great song...they know. I don't know if you are aware of how music scheduling works, Rover...my bet is that you have no idea how a station works, so I will tell you. New music is added in overnights...and slowly drifts into other dayparts. People are weird about music they do not know...unless it is the new song by some psycho freak named Britney. The very fact she has a new song is headline news so it goes straight to mornings.

The reason your stations in the glory days of the 70's played any damn thing they wanted was because of one thing...NO COMPETITION! Hell, that was the deal as late as the mid to late 80's...one rock station, one country station, one urban station. In your day...there probably was not even a rock station...just Top 40. They played whatever they wanted because there was nowhere else for listeners to go.

Now, if I want new rock...I have my active rocker...classic rock...ditto...dance...my rhythmic ac....and if nobody is playing all the 80's rock I love like Racer X, Jason Becker and Marty Friedman's "Cacophany", Dokken, Every Mother's Nightmare, Pretty Maids,etc....I go to friggin Sirius' Hairnation! If you work for awesome PDs like I did in BR and Dallas, you can even do a show dedicated to a particular genre of music for those who are diehard fans (in my situation, a show showcasing 80's rock called Hairball). You image the daylights out of it so those tuning in who are not familiar with the music know it is a specialty show.

Radio is free...you don't have to listen...and it is not gauranteed in the Constitution of the United States that stations play the eclectic music mix desired by every individual on the planet. It amazes me to read posts on these boards by these guys who think they have ownership of a particular frequency and only THEIR format of choice should be allowed to reside there. Crazy. ???

It is called an ipod...get one. You complain about the jocks all the time anyway...your ipod is jock free. ;D Unless of course you want me to do one of my...how did you describe it...."Perky" breaks for you... :D In all my years of doing radio...not once have I been described as perky. Now I know for a fact that you do not listen. :D
 
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