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Lubbock: Invovation or Stupid?

I thought this was a cool thread to start. There has been some very crazy (for the times) developments in Lubbock. Are they good, bad, or indifferent. Here's the list I came up with. Some of these topics were dealt with individually, but when you look or comment on them as a whole they look quite differently.

*Ramar flips to FM Sports
*Bob and Tom added to NIGHTS on CR101
*Z102 to KISS-FM
*KFMX returns to live mornings
*KQBR (The Bear) starts flirting with Americana
*Stars makes a play against Mix with 80's weekend.
*KLLL & MIX staying under the radar

So what do you think? Is the market heating up? Is the economy forcing change? What's the scorecard?
 
Okay I'm almost certain that this was a typo, but you must see some humor and maybe a little fail in the title of this thread.

"Lubbock: Invovation or stupid", So uh what exactly is invovation? ???
 
Here's my take:

*Ramar flips to FM Sports
Getting TT sports is a win for Ramar, because it brings attention to the stations, helps them sell more advertising, or at least it should. So I see it as more of a "price of adveritsing." It is also good becuase it brings radio and tv broadcasts under the same house. The problem is, GAP had more stations in the cluster. GAP has 6, but RAMAR only has only has 4, with only 1 AM station, whereas GAP had 2. Only Magic and Stars have a solid city grade signals, and only Magic makes it outside the city. 104.3 is a rim shot. I would have blown up 950 and made it all sports, or made 104.3 and 950 a simulcast, but this was tried already (remember when the old 97.3 from Plainview was Fox Talk?). The trend seems to be for sports on FM, and people seem to like hearing their football games in hi-fi, especially since you can put the radio near a TV and not get interference. Then again, DTV causes a delay, so it is not really feasible any more. At least it keeps sports from interfering with many of the GAP stations programming in the market but deflates 1340's marketability.

*Bob and Tom added to NIGHTS on CR101
Don't understand the point of this one. There was no reason for it, unless they plan to eventually drop John Boy and Billy and replace them with Bob and Tom. Otherwise, a music oriented syndicated show would have been a better move for the evening shift.

*Z102 to KISS-FM
This was initially a good move, but I have since been disappointed. You can't just put lipstick on a pig and call it a lady. Just slapping the KIIS FM logo on the station van and replacing a few elements and calling it a day is not going to do anything to bring 102.5 back into the win column. When you make a change like that, you need to promote the he|| out of it. Has anyone seen a single KISS FM billboard? How about a TV spot?

The problem is this:
When you lose listeners, you have to do some real work to win them back. I don't think anybody at that station (and my apologies if this is not true), has put in any overtime.

What needs to be done to bring 102.5 back is this:
1. Re-arrange the Jingles. There MUST be a top of the hour I.D. One-Two Punch, with the a DJ intro. You have to kick off the hour, by emphasizing the station, and energize the hour with a bullet song. And stop playing the same song at the top of the hour every two hours. We don't need to hear the same repeats of "KZII FM Lubbock" followed Lady Ga Ga, Flo-rida and The Black Eyed Peas all day long. No, the DJ has to do some work.

2. GET RID OF THAT GUY FROM AMARILLO. 102.5 has been Kiss for 7 weeks now, and he's still saying that the website is 1025, KISSFM.com" Has anyone made even a slight attempt at correcting him? C'mon, if you are PD of station YOU HAVE GOT to pay attention to what is on your station! Why not, the listeners pay attention, so should you. If I were the PD, that voice track would have bee GONE, HISTORY, after the first week or two.

3. ELEMENTS ELEMENTS ELEMENTS. This is CHR! There needs to be an element BETWEEN EVERY SONG, not every few songs, but EVERY SONG! I learned that lesson my first week in radio in 1997.

4. This goes with number 3. If you are going to call yourself KISS FM you need to have the elements right! You need jingles jingles jingles, and even a very small percentage of reverb. If you can't do that, than you need to find a different Image.

*KFMX returns to live mornings
Another one I don't understand. With Z102, everyone said "get a real morning show, not two local guys nobody cares about." But then on FMX it's "We need local, not some out of town canned show." Then, the same people say "FMX and KZII cross over (which I disagree with). So this is all controdictory, so I would like it if someone could explain it. Sounds like double talk to me.

*KQBR (The Bear) starts flirting with Americana
Regardless of what is claimed, KQBR is NOT the dominant KLLL, and having 105.3 in the same market do a similar format probably doesn't help. But I don't know enough about country to know. I DO think that 99.5 would have been better off going back to a Top40 derivative like Hot AC, AC or Urban. In my view, 99.5 is the only other way for GAP to have a successful CHR.

*Stars makes a play against Mix with 80's weekend.
Not much of a play. Stars is playing way too many different 80s songs in the same rotation, none of them fit. Plus, they left all their syndicated shows in place, so all weekend, it was all 80s until Delilah came on and then suddenly it was back to playing Sheryl Crow for 4 hours. That is disorganized. But then again, Stars, like KISS is another example of management only doing part of the job, and not paying attention to what is actually on the air.

*KLLL & MIX staying under the radar
Good. If it ain't broke, don't fix. I maintain that the Mix and KLLL are the best managed stations in Lubbock. I think Mix would also make a great CHR if they wanted. I don't think Mix needed to put on a syndicated night show, but that is just my opinion on the subject.

And let me add this:
I am surprised at this point that nobody has attempted to take on KZII in the Mainstream CHR format. 102.5 is the most vulnerable station right now, and whoever challenges them has much to gain. If I was PD of a competing Mainstream CHR, i could have that station number 1 in just one book!
 
Terriblejock said:
Okay I'm almost certain that this was a typo, but you must see some humor and maybe a little fail in the title of this thread.

"Lubbock: Invovation or stupid", So uh what exactly is invovation? ???

Invovation is something we came up with since you had your last job in radio. Maybe you can get a job as a proofreader. Sorry, as you can see I came up with the topic early on Memorial Day morning. I was hoping to pull up a few rocks and see if anything interesting crawled out. So far Garrett has some constructive comments, but that's about it.
 
Old Nick said:
I thought this was a cool thread to start. There has been some very crazy (for the times) developments in Lubbock. Are they good, bad, or indifferent. Here's the list I came up with. Some of these topics were dealt with individually, but when you look or comment on them as a whole they look quite differently.

*Ramar flips to FM Sports
*Bob and Tom added to NIGHTS on CR101
*Z102 to KISS-FM
*KFMX returns to live mornings
*KQBR (The Bear) starts flirting with Americana
*Stars makes a play against Mix with 80's weekend.
*KLLL & MIX staying under the radar

So what do you think? Is the market heating up? Is the economy forcing change? What's the scorecard?

not alot of "Innovation" its NOT even "Change Anyone Can Believe In"..

Ramar Goes All-Sports- at they won't have the 3rd Hip-Hop station in town.
Bob & Tom Added to nights on 101- let me be the 101st poster to call it -STUPID!
Z-102 To Kiss- i'm Yawning now(same SH&!, different name)
KQBR/Americana- "It's OVER, YOU CAN'T WIN!" cowboy.
Stars 80's weekend- "Good Idea, but when will they get SERIOUS about things over there"
KLLL & MIX- KLLL will KEEP winning with the so-called "Innovation" listed above... and Mix has Craddick, and that's IT.

other than that, i have no opinion on it.
 
"3rd Hip Hop station?"
Besides BEAT, what other station is there?

Mix has more than Kraddick, it has a disciplined, focused format.
Same with KLLL.
 
Garrett said:
"3rd Hip Hop station?"
Besides BEAT, what other station is there?

Mix has more than Kraddick, it has a disciplined, focused format.
Same with KLLL.

well they were an also ran with beat & Z(who also play some H hop)... when it comes to numbers, Mix has Kraddick, and mix is a mid pack station, if they could keep kraddick's numbers throughout the day they would be #1.
 
Garrett said:
102.5 is not, nor has it been, a Hip Hop station.

102.5 is a CHR that plays some Hip-Hop, although its not totally a hip-hop station they play it & they're still vying for the same 18-24 demo as beat and hot, and hot played the part of #3 in that race(unless you count Mix who also goes for some of that segment)
 
Garrett said:
"3rd Hip Hop station?"
Besides BEAT, what other station is there?

Mix has more than Kraddick, it has a disciplined, focused format.
Same with KLLL.

Come on Garrett... are you serious? Let's be totally honest... if Kraddick bailed... Mix would take a big drop. Kraddick is their work horse. Everything revolves around Kraddick at Mix just like many other stations around the country. As for it's format... it's not disciplined or focused.. it's cookie cutter. There's no out of the box thinking happening with MIX. You take Kraddick out of the mix, no pun intended, and let's see how disciplined and focused they are then.
 
My apologies for asking, but is Kelly D'Angelo still at the Mix?

I used to listen to her and Steve Sever on 99.5 back in the day.
 
I think EVERYBODY will be surprised when the ratings come out. With Lubbock being a test market for cell phone inclusion ANYTHING can happen...add the recent changes on top of that and you could see a total market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead. :eek:
 
DG said:
My apologies for asking, but is Kelly D'Angelo still at the Mix?

I used to listen to her and Steve Sever on 99.5 back in the day.

I thought she was on 96.3 KLLL as part of the "Kelly and Mudflap" show?
 
That very well could be- I don't listen to KLLL, and it's been quite awhile since I tuned into Mix100...
 
According to the website, its "Jeff, Kelli (note spelling), and Mudflap." So I don't know if it's the same Kelli (Kelly?).
 
Old Nick said:
I think EVERYBODY will be surprised when the ratings come out. With Lubbock being a test market for cell phone inclusion ANYTHING can happen...add the recent changes on top of that and you could see a total market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead. :eek:

that's the "Dream" of those stations who KNOW younger demo's have left radio in droves , but don't count on any drastic changes.
 
cspotrun said:
Old Nick said:
I think EVERYBODY will be surprised when the ratings come out. With Lubbock being a test market for cell phone inclusion ANYTHING can happen...add the recent changes on top of that and you could see a total market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead. :eek:

that's the "Dream" of those stations who KNOW younger demo's have left radio in droves , but don't count on any drastic changes.

That's a very uninformed response. No one said stations with the "youngest" demos are going to surge. But if you look at the age curve of people who use cell phones, your grandma is least likely to give up a land line, followed by your parents, followed by you, followed by your kids. Thus, bringing cell phones into the mix should result in some (maybe just a few) younger (just younger, not young) people reporting their listening (or not listening).

I know it's hard to read peoples attitudes in text, but you sound a bit like a radio "hater"...maybe you should be on some other board.
 
Old Nick said:
cspotrun said:
Old Nick said:
I think EVERYBODY will be surprised when the ratings come out. With Lubbock being a test market for cell phone inclusion ANYTHING can happen...add the recent changes on top of that and you could see a total market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead. :eek:

that's the "Dream" of those stations who KNOW younger demo's have left radio in droves , but don't count on any drastic changes.

That's a very uninformed response. No one said stations with the "youngest" demos are going to surge.

hey bro, YOU DID! you wrote you could see "A TOTAL market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead....

But if you look at the age curve of people who use cell phones, your grandma is least likely to give up a land line, followed by your parents, followed by you, followed by your kids.

that may have been the thinking 5 or 10 years ago but not now, in a recent survey EVERYBODY including Grandma's had cell phones, so its not just teenagers.

Thus, bringing cell phones into the mix should result in some (maybe just a few) younger (just younger, not young) people reporting their listening (or not listening).

I know it's hard to read peoples attitudes in text, but you sound a bit like a radio "hater"...maybe you should be on some other board.

Radio Hater? c'mon! did you get the memo? younger demo's have left radio for that thing called an I-Pod and various other technology that is popping up every week, and if what i've been reading is true, you won't see the change you might expect with this test method.
 
cspotrun said:
Old Nick said:
cspotrun said:
Old Nick said:
I think EVERYBODY will be surprised when the ratings come out. With Lubbock being a test market for cell phone inclusion ANYTHING can happen...add the recent changes on top of that and you could see a total market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead. :eek:

that's the "Dream" of those stations who KNOW younger demo's have left radio in droves , but don't count on any drastic changes.

That's a very uninformed response. No one said stations with the "youngest" demos are going to surge.

hey bro, YOU DID! you wrote you could see "A TOTAL market re-alignment with the younger demo stations taking the lead....

But if you look at the age curve of people who use cell phones, your grandma is least likely to give up a land line, followed by your parents, followed by you, followed by your kids.

that may have been the thinking 5 or 10 years ago but not now, in a recent survey EVERYBODY including Grandma's had cell phones, so its not just teenagers.

Thus, bringing cell phones into the mix should result in some (maybe just a few) younger (just younger, not young) people reporting their listening (or not listening).

I know it's hard to read peoples attitudes in text, but you sound a bit like a radio "hater"...maybe you should be on some other board.

Radio Hater? c'mon! did you get the memo? younger demo's have left radio for that thing called an I-Pod and various other technology that is popping up every week, and if what i've been reading is true, you won't see the change you might expect with this test method.

Once again, "younger" doesn't mean teens or even twenty-somethings(about the ages of I-Pod users). But including cell phones in any test results will re-align the nature of the test results curve. It may mean more people who are 31 instead of 32, or more people who are 60 instead of 65, but the curve will change to some extent, however small. Check the dictionary "younger" doesn't mean "young".
 
Weren't CD changers and home-made CDs, Napster and so on supposed to do us in as well?

The business and programming climate is changing... but historically, Radio has changed with the times. What we're doing now will not be what we're doing 15 years from now, but we'll still have a viable product.
 
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