Major Cities Without a Network O&O/s

[bringbackradio]

There are major cities where NONE of their television stations are owned and operated by any network.

Some I can think of at the top, though I could be wrong:

Las Vegas
San Antonio
Charlotte
Hampton Roads (as of recent)
St. Louis (as of recent)

Any more?

Update on Charlotte: it will no longer be a market without an O&O once Fox closes in on the purchase of WJZY (currently CW) and WMYT (MNTV) and takes its affiliation away from WCCB.

 

[mississippi fan]

No. 90th market Jackson, Miss., has no network owned stations.

 

[ROBGv1]

I would've said Providence/New Bedford, until I saw that they're ranked around #53. WJAR-TV (NBC) channel 10 was previously owned by NBC but is no longer. LIN owns WPRI-TV (CBS) channel 12 and operates WNAC-TV (FOX) channel 64 as their sister station. I forget who operates WLNE-TV (ABC) channel 6 and WLWC-TV (CW) channel 28 today.

ABC6 - Citidel
CW28 - Sinclar
NBC10 - General Media

 

[richllewis]

New Orleans TV are not O & O's

WWL-TV Belo (CBS)
WDSU-TV Hearst (NBC)
WGNO-TV Tribune (ABC)
WVUE Locally owned by Tom Benson(FOX)
WUPL Belo (My TV)
WNOL Tribune(CW)

The only TV stations that are O&O are
WPXL Ion
WHNO Lesea
Both are minor players. Lesea is Christian Broadcasting Ion was PAX TV

 

[dave73]

Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo, MI is a top 50 market without a network O&O, & one of a few where 2 different owners have a network affiliation:

CBS - WWMT - Sinclair

NBC - WOOD-TV - LIN

ABC - WOTV - LIN

ABC - WZZM - Gannett

Fox - WXMI - Tribune

CW - WWMT subchannel - Sinclair (only top 50 market to have CW exclusively on a subchannel)

My Network TV - WXSP-CD/WOKZ-CD/WOBC-CD/WOMS-CD/WOHO-CD/WOLP-CD & WOOD-TV subchannel - LIN


Milwaukee -

NBC - WTMJ-TV - Journal

ABC - WISN - Hearst Argyle

CBS - WDJT - Weigel

Fox* - WITI - Local TV LLC (*former Fox O&O)

CW - WVTV - Sinclair

MyNetwork TV - WCGV - Sinclair

 

[bpatrick]

There are markets where two or three of the big four have o&os,
with one left out:

Dallas/Ft. Worth KDFW Ch. 4 Fox
KXAS Ch. 5 NBC/partial stake by LIN
WFAA Ch. 8 ABC affiliate owned by Belo
KTVT Ch. 11 CBS

San Francisco KTVU Ch. 2 Fox affiliate owned by Cox
KPIX Ch. 5 CBS
KGO Ch. 7 ABC
KNTV Ch. 11 NBC

Washington, DC WRC Ch. 4 NBC
WTTG Ch. 5 Fox
WJLA Ch. 7 ABC affiliate owned by Allbritton
WUSA Ch. 9 CBS affiliate owned by Gannett

Houston KPRC Ch. 2 NBC affiliate owned by Post-Newsweek
KHOU Ch. 11 CBS affiliate owned by Belo
KTRK Ch. 13 ABC
KRIV Ch. 26 Fox

Miami WFOR Ch. 4 CBS
WTVJ Ch. 6 NBC
WSVN Ch. 7 Fox affiliate owned by Sunbeam
WPLG Ch. 10 ABC affiliate owned by Post-Newsweek

Orlando WESH Ch. 2 NBC affiliate owned by Hearst
WKMG Ch. 6 CBS affiliate owned by Post-Newsweek
WFTV Ch. 9 ABC affiliate owned by Cox
WOFL Ch. 35 Fox

Tampa/St. Pete WFLA Ch. 8 NBC affiliate owned by Media General
WTSP Ch. 10 CBS affiliate owned by Gannett
WTVT Ch. 13 Fox
WFTS Ch. 28 ABC affiliate owned by Scripps-Howard

Others?

 

[LKellerIII]

Technically speaking, you could say that San Francisco does not have an NBC O&O. Actually, it never has - former NBC affiliate KRON was not an O&O. NBC left KRON 4 in 2003 for KNTV 11, which is licensed to San Jose, then NBC purchased the station.

Then KNTV moved it's transmitter to Mt. San Bruno, near San Francisco, to improve its OTA signal in the major parts of the San Francisco market

 

[KeithE4]

Technically speaking, you could say that San Francisco does not have an NBC O&O. Actually, it never has - former NBC affiliate KRON was not an O&O. NBC left KRON 4 in 2003 for KNTV 11, which is licensed to San Jose, then NBC purchased the station.

Then KNTV moved it's transmitter to Mt. San Bruno, near San Francisco, to improve its OTA signal in the major parts of the San Francisco market

But the SF/Oakland/San Jose market does have an NBC O&O. That's all that matters.

 

[wild949austin]

Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo, MI is a top 50 market without a network O&O, & one of a few where 2 different owners have a network affiliation:

CBS - WWMT - Sinclair

NBC - WOOD-TV - LIN

ABC - WOTV - LIN

ABC - WZZM - Gannett

Fox - WXMI - Tribune

CW - WWMT subchannel - Sinclair (only top 50 market to have CW exclusively on a subchannel)

My Network TV - WXSP-CD/WOKZ-CD/WOBC-CD/WOMS-CD/WOHO-CD/WOLP-CD & WOOD-TV subchannel - LIN


Milwaukee -

NBC - WTMJ-TV - Journal

ABC - WISN - Hearst Argyle

CBS - WDJT - Weigel

Fox* - WITI - Local TV LLC (*former Fox O&O)

CW - WVTV - Sinclair

MyNetwork TV - WCGV - Sinclair

Actually Cincinnati is the largest market with The CW only offered on a subchannel. It airs on WKRC 12.2 owned by Sinclair

 

[Mr Tony]

There are markets where two or three of the big four have o&os,
with one left out:
Others?

Minneapolis
WCCO CBS 4 O&O
KMSP FOX 9 O&O
WFTC MY 29 O&O

KARE NBC 11 owned by Gannett
KSTP ABC 5 owned by Hubbard (as is all ABC's licensed to MN are)

 

[LKellerIII]

Technically speaking, you could say that San Francisco does not have an NBC O&O. Actually, it never has - former NBC affiliate KRON was not an O&O. NBC left KRON 4 in 2003 for KNTV 11, which is licensed to San Jose, then NBC purchased the station.

Then KNTV moved it's transmitter to Mt. San Bruno, near San Francisco, to improve its OTA signal in the major parts of the San Francisco market

But the SF/Oakland/San Jose market does have an NBC O&O. That's all that matters.

Not to split hairs, but I did say "technically speaking." And the title of the thread is "Major Cities without Network O&Os" - not major markets.

I am aware that in a practical sense (viewers in San Francisco, the East Bay and north into Marin and Sonoma counties), KNTV is the local NBC O&O.

 

[e-dawg]

I'll say without the Big four Networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX) (Excluding CW, MYNET, and ION)

#12 Seattle, Washington (ABC KOMO 4 Fisher, CBS KIRO 7 COX, NBC KING 5 Belo, FOX KCPQ 13 Tribune)
#18 Cleveland, Ohio (NBC WKYC 3 Gannett, WOIO CBS 19 Raycom, WEWS ABC 5 EW Scripps, WJW FOX 8 Local TV)
#23 Portland, Oregon(ABC KATU 2 Fisher, CBS KOIN 6 LIN, NBC KGW 8 Belo, FOX KPTV 12 Meredith)
#26 Indianapolis, Indiana (ABC WRTV 6 EW Scripps, CBS WISH 8 LIN, NBC 13 Dispatch, FOX 51 Tribune)

 

[bringbackradio]

New Orleans TV are not O & O's

WWL-TV Belo (CBS)
WDSU-TV Hearst (NBC)
WGNO-TV Tribune (ABC)
WVUE Locally owned by Tom Benson(FOX)
WUPL Belo (My TV)
WNOL Tribune(CW)

The only TV stations that are O&O are
WPXL Ion
WHNO Lesea
Both are minor players. Lesea is Christian Broadcasting Ion was PAX TV

Fox shared a stake in WVUE with Savvoy once, although the Savvoy/Fox never were considered Fox O&Os. And WUPL was owned by CBS when UPN was still in operation.

 

[bpatrick]

Did anyone mention Baltimore:

WMAR Ch. 2 ABC affiliate owned by Scripps-Howard
WBAL Ch. 11 NBC affiliate owned by Hearst
WJZ Ch. 13 CBS
WBFF Ch. 45 Fox affiliate owned by Sinclair

Or Phoenix:

KPHO Ch. 5 CBS affiliate owned by Meredith
KSAZ Ch. 10 Fox (I think it's still a Fox o&o)
KPNX Ch. 12 NBC affiliate owned by Gannett
KNXV Ch. 15 ABC affiliate owned by Scripps-Howard

Or Atlanta:

WSB Ch. 2 ABC affiliate owned by Cox
WAGA Ch. 5 Fox
WXIA 11 Alive NBC affiliate owned by Gannett
WGCL Ch. 46 CBS affiliate owned by Meredith
CBS does own Ch. 69 and operates it as a CW affiliate.

Raleigh/Durham:

WRAL Ch. 5 CBS affiliate owned by Capitol Broadcasting
WTVD Ch. 11 ABC
WNCN Ch. 17 NBC affiliate owned by Media General (former NBC o&o)
WRAZ Ch. 50 Fox affiliate that is either a duopoly with WRAL or is
managed by WRAL
Sinclair owns WLFL/22 (CW) and WRDC/28 (MyNetwork).

Greensboro/Winston-Salem/High Point:

WFMY Ch. 2 CBS affiliate owned by Gannett
WGHP Ch. 8 Fox affiliate owned by Oak Hill Partners (former Fox o&o)
WXII Ch. 12 NBC affiliate owned by Hearst
WXLV Ch. 45 ABC affiliate owned by Sinclair
Sinclair also owns WMYV/48 (MyNetwork); Pappas ownes WCWG/20 (CW).
(This is one I may have already mentioned.)

 

[justpassingthough]

Aren't only the top 25 markets considered "major"? Below this, you're talking about a lot of medium sized markets in which the networks would have little interest in owning stations.

I expect as time passes, the networks will get out of even more medium sized markets as they work towards a cable-like subscription and ad revenue model and evetually migrate the "networks" to paid cable channels, while leaving the local stations, even the O&O's, to be a new version of an independent channel.

I'm not saying this is on the verge of happening, but something that will probably occur within the next 15 to 20 years.

 

[KeithE4]

Aren't only the top 25 markets considered "major"? Below this, you're talking about a lot of medium sized markets in which the networks would have little interest in owning stations.

[sarcasm]
1. New York - The only one that really matters to advertisers and NBC.
2-3. LA & Chicago - Very important, but not as much as Noo Yawk.
4, 6-8. Philly, SF, Boston, Washington - Important coastal markets.
5, 9, 10. DFW, Atlanta, Houston - Big, but not as important except during football season.
11-19. Still big enough to matter.
20-30. They sort-of matter, and I believe the FCC considers the top 30 to be the major TV markets.
31-99. Along for the ride. Most are in flyover country.
100-210. Hick towns - nobody cares. The total population of these markets is about 15% of the country. Most national advertisers don't target small towns, and probably couldn't find any of them on a map.
[/sarcasm]

I expect as time passes, the networks will get out of even more medium sized markets as they work towards a cable-like subscription and ad revenue model and evetually migrate the "networks" to paid cable channels, while leaving the local stations, even the O&O's, to be a new version of an independent channel.

We've had several threads about this possibility. I still can see NBC getting out of the OTA business once affiliation contracts expire, starting with their Flyover Country affiliates in markets 100+. Comcast is in the cable business, not the broadcast business (OK, they are for now, but...)

I'm not saying this is on the verge of happening, but something that will probably occur within the next 15 to 20 years.

Probably sooner - more like 5-10 years.

 

[dave73]

Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo, MI is a top 50 market without a network O&O, & one of a few where 2 different owners have a network affiliation:

CBS - WWMT - Sinclair

NBC - WOOD-TV - LIN

ABC - WOTV - LIN

ABC - WZZM - Gannett

Fox - WXMI - Tribune

CW - WWMT subchannel - Sinclair (only top 50 market to have CW exclusively on a subchannel)

My Network TV - WXSP-CD/WOKZ-CD/WOBC-CD/WOMS-CD/WOHO-CD/WOLP-CD & WOOD-TV subchannel - LIN


Milwaukee -

NBC - WTMJ-TV - Journal

ABC - WISN - Hearst Argyle

CBS - WDJT - Weigel

Fox* - WITI - Local TV LLC (*former Fox O&O)

CW - WVTV - Sinclair

MyNetwork TV - WCGV - Sinclair

Actually Cincinnati is the largest market with The CW only offered on a subchannel. It airs on WKRC 12.2 owned by Sinclair

I stand corrected. When I searched rabbitears.info a lot, I could only find Grand Rapids having CW exclusively on a subchannel. Now I see that Cincinnati being the largest market with the network on a subchannel. Like Grand Rapids, Cincinnati lacks available channels to place the network on a main channel. At least it's not like Alpena, MI, where NBC & ABC are on a subchannel to the only commercial licensed station in that market (CBS being in HD & on the main channel).

 

[taylorjsdad]

There are markets where two or three of the big four have o&os,
with one left out:

Dallas/Ft. Worth KDFW Ch. 4 Fox
KXAS Ch. 5 NBC/partial stake by LIN
WFAA Ch. 8 ABC affiliate owned by Belo
KTVT Ch. 11 CBS

San Francisco KTVU Ch. 2 Fox affiliate owned by Cox
KPIX Ch. 5 CBS
KGO Ch. 7 ABC
KNTV Ch. 11 NBC

Washington, DC WRC Ch. 4 NBC
WTTG Ch. 5 Fox
WJLA Ch. 7 ABC affiliate owned by Allbritton
WUSA Ch. 9 CBS affiliate owned by Gannett

Houston KPRC Ch. 2 NBC affiliate owned by Post-Newsweek
KHOU Ch. 11 CBS affiliate owned by Belo
KTRK Ch. 13 ABC
KRIV Ch. 26 Fox

Miami WFOR Ch. 4 CBS
WTVJ Ch. 6 NBC
WSVN Ch. 7 Fox affiliate owned by Sunbeam
WPLG Ch. 10 ABC affiliate owned by Post-Newsweek

Orlando WESH Ch. 2 NBC affiliate owned by Hearst
WKMG Ch. 6 CBS affiliate owned by Post-Newsweek
WFTV Ch. 9 ABC affiliate owned by Cox
WOFL Ch. 35 Fox

Tampa/St. Pete WFLA Ch. 8 NBC affiliate owned by Media General
WTSP Ch. 10 CBS affiliate owned by Gannett
WTVT Ch. 13 Fox
WFTS Ch. 28 ABC affiliate owned by Scripps-Howard

Others?

Boston/Manchester

WBZ - 4 CBS O&O
WCVB - 5 ABC owned by Hearst
WHDH - 7 NBC owned by Sunbeam Television
WMUR - 9 ABC (Manchester, NH) owned by Hearst as well
WFXT - 25 FOX O&O
WSBK - 38 MNTV owned by CBS
WLVI - 56 CW owned by Sunbeam Television

 

[TVCOOL]

Of course the largest market with no o&o is Puerto Rico... but I doubt anyone cares.

NBC/Comcast owns Telemundo PR(WKAQ 2.1 San Juan)

Univision (4th largest TV channel) owns (WLII 11.1 - Caguas / San Juan and WSUR 9.1 - Ponce and WSTE 7.1 Ponce-San Juan)