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major WKNR announcement
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vjm said:
Huh?
Tune in (or read the blog/Twitter/R-I) tomorrow!WKNR day pattern (R-L): http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WKNR&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
WKNR night pattern (R-L): http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WKNR&service=AM&status=L&hours=N
There's your answer.
They can't do much about it, as they have to protect other stations on 850 at night, most notably KOA in Denver. I don't know which station is on 850 to the northwest of Cleveland, tho.
WKNR night pattern (R-L): http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WKNR&service=AM&status=L&hours=N
There's your answer.
They can't do much about it, as they have to protect other stations on 850 at night, most notably KOA in Denver. I don't know which station is on 850 to the northwest of Cleveland, tho.
Ron Lee said:
They never will be able to. Part of that is due to a big station out in Denver - 50kW clear channel KOA/850. Even though the 850 in Cleveland has always been a fulltime operation dating back to the days it was WJW, the pattern must protect KOA's signal outside of the immediate market area.
What is the current "4,700 watt" night pattern (it is for all intents and purposes 5,000 watts) dates back to 1959, when WJW moved their tower site to North Royalton and converted it to a 10,000 watt day/5,000 watt night signal. Bear in mind that WJW didn't think about suburban sprawl or population outgrowth to regions including Lorain, Akron or Canton. It served them well at the time.
WJW's successor, WRMR, upgraded the 850 signal to 50kw day/"4.7"kw night in 1999. Not only the original tower pattern, but the studio/transmitter building was taken down and replaced outright. The newer night pattern towers still are positioned in the same arrangement today as they were in the 1959 pattern.
Salem moved WKNR to 850 so as to upgrade the religious format on WHK, which after all was losing their longtime home on 1420 to Radio Seaway as part of a complicated ownership/call letter transaction in July 2001. The thinking by Salem was that 850's night pattern still covers a significant area due to the lower dial position, so the loss would be negligible. I am not making this up.
Even in spite of a massive day pattern - which could rival WTAM's were it not for that null in the Akron/Youngstown area - WKNR is screwed. There's no way they will land PBP beyond the third-tier level (tOSU's extensive radio network actually nullifies WKNR's 'flagship' boast significantly), and even CSU would rather be on a combination of WHKW, WHK and WTAM than on 850.
Again, Craig's best chance for survival in the long run is moving WKNR to the FM dial.
vjm said:
If they ONLY pick up The Gary Waters Show, but CSU PBP remains on 1420/1220/1100 instead... what an EPIC FAIL of EPIC FAILS.
Memo to KNR/KNR2: don't tease this as a 'special program announcement' unless the program announcement is actually SPECIAL.
They couldn't be this desperate for attention.
OhioMediaWatch said:
I got it - WKNR is going to start carrying Dallas Mavericks basketball! (And why not; they're honorary Ohioans - at least until the next team that beats LeBron and Miami comes along...)
"Cleveland Browns to host daily show on ESPN 850 WKNR"
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...m/upload/Browns/brownsdailywknrpr62911pdf.pdf
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=...m/upload/Browns/brownsdailywknrpr62911pdf.pdf
Interesting that the Browns leaked the news an hour in advance of WKNR's "major announcement." Saves people the trouble of tuning into 850 in the first place. ;D
Nathan Obral said:
Wow, how convoluted (not your response, but the actual facts of the explaination). Thanks for the detailed response, dude. OMW, thanks to you, too. My only question is why does that Denver station have to be "protected"? What makes that station worthy of protection over any other station on the 850 dial?
KOA in Denver is a 50kW blowtorch (a la WTAM here in Cleveland), so stations stay clear for interference reasons. Just like stations East of the Mississippi River avoid 1100 (or at most have stations on 1100 AM as daytimers).
As far as the major announcement goes, KNR can boast about a "partnership" with the Browns, so good for them I guess. But I wonder how much this would compromise Browns talk on all the other shows.
Do Munch, RBS, R & R, Xs and O's, and Brinda now have to "toe the line"?
In case anybody asks, the reason this show isn't on the flagships (WTAM/WMMS), is because of Triv and Cox more than likely, as well as Tribe/Cavs conflicts.
Also, Xs and Os has been expanded to 7-9 p.m., and It's Brinda from 9-midnight (at the oasis) with Gamenight/10th Inning/KNR OT (depending on who's playing that night).
As far as the major announcement goes, KNR can boast about a "partnership" with the Browns, so good for them I guess. But I wonder how much this would compromise Browns talk on all the other shows.
Do Munch, RBS, R & R, Xs and O's, and Brinda now have to "toe the line"?
In case anybody asks, the reason this show isn't on the flagships (WTAM/WMMS), is because of Triv and Cox more than likely, as well as Tribe/Cavs conflicts.
Also, Xs and Os has been expanded to 7-9 p.m., and It's Brinda from 9-midnight (at the oasis) with Gamenight/10th Inning/KNR OT (depending on who's playing that night).
May I be permitted one "nailed it!"?
Yes, indeed, that's what I'm hearing out of Oak Tree. The Browns did try to put this show on either WMMS or WTAM, and carving an hour out of late PM drive was a non-starter for Clear Channel.
I missed the announcement on-air, and posting beforehand, due to off-blog issues. Did they indeed announce the move of Xs and Os 7-9 PM and Brinda (with whatever post-game/etc. coverage) 9-midnight? There's no word on the WKNR website, which just reprinted the Browns' release...
vjm said:
Yes, indeed, that's what I'm hearing out of Oak Tree. The Browns did try to put this show on either WMMS or WTAM, and carving an hour out of late PM drive was a non-starter for Clear Channel.
I missed the announcement on-air, and posting beforehand, due to off-blog issues. Did they indeed announce the move of Xs and Os 7-9 PM and Brinda (with whatever post-game/etc. coverage) 9-midnight? There's no word on the WKNR website, which just reprinted the Browns' release...
OhioMediaWatch said:May I be permitted one "nailed it!"?
vjm said:
Yes, indeed, that's what I'm hearing out of Oak Tree. The Browns did try to put this show on either WMMS or WTAM, and carving an hour out of late PM drive was a non-starter for Clear Channel.
I missed the announcement on-air, and posting beforehand, due to off-blog issues. Did they indeed announce the move of Xs and Os 7-9 PM and Brinda (with whatever post-game/etc. coverage) 9-midnight? There's no word on the WKNR website, which just reprinted the Browns' release...
If you're gonna do it, do it right...
You NAILED IT!
And they did announce on air that Xs and Os would be getting the extra hour.
Brinda from 9-midnight is pretty much status quo anyway.
Here's your updated WKNR daily line up:
5-6 a.m. - Munch in the Morning (local)
6-9 a.m. - Mike and Mike (ESPN)
9 a.m.-1 p.m. - The Really Big Show (local)
1-3 p.m. - Jim Rome (Premiere)
3-6 p.m. - Afternoon R & R (local)
6-7 p.m. - Cleveland Browns Daily (Browns Radio)
7-9 p.m. - Xs and Os with the Pros (local)
9 p.m. - 12 a.m. - Greg Brinda (local)*
12-5 a.m. - ESPN Radio
* - covers Gamenight, 10th Inning, and KNR Overtime
5-6 a.m. - Munch in the Morning (local)
6-9 a.m. - Mike and Mike (ESPN)
9 a.m.-1 p.m. - The Really Big Show (local)
1-3 p.m. - Jim Rome (Premiere)
3-6 p.m. - Afternoon R & R (local)
6-7 p.m. - Cleveland Browns Daily (Browns Radio)
7-9 p.m. - Xs and Os with the Pros (local)
9 p.m. - 12 a.m. - Greg Brinda (local)*
12-5 a.m. - ESPN Radio
* - covers Gamenight, 10th Inning, and KNR Overtime
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