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WEAT on 104.3 used to have a monster stick. Could pick them up way up here in Central Florida. Anyone else nearby on 104.3 too?
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A class A in Sarasota, the one in Inglis in north central FL, and no idea if any translators on 104.3. Yes, Sunny still packs a punch....to this DXer, not what I want!
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WEAT-FM seems to be better northward and westward. When driving to Ft. Myers via Belle Glade, WEAT-FM is the West Palm station that reaches farthest. WRFM seems to follow the opposite pattern; it does better southward. One can hear WRMF on an old Walkman while sitting on the beach in South Beach.
In addition to WEAT-FM West Palm Beach, WKZN-FM Sarasots and WOGF-FM inglis, there is a forth Florida FM operating on 104.3 - WWHV-FM Lynn Haven (Panama City). Although WWHV is currently dark, it has an active, valid license; However, WWHV is far enough away from West Palm it has no effect on WEAT's signal in South Florida. It should be further noted there are currently five applications pending with the FCC for a new Miami class D translator specifying operation on channel 282D / 104.3mHz.
'EAT-FM has/had a CP for a 1500' foot stick at the Lantana farm so they'll be/they are higher than WRMF. According to Recnet, they're co-located on the same tower.
Plus WRMF's not running IBOC (yet), so they do have a cleaner analog sound than 'EAT-FM.
Both stations sound good in West Broward.
Question that continues to be debated with HD Radio and IBOC: 104.3's calls are WEAT-FM, with COL West Palm Beach.
IBOC or not, aren't they supposed to ID as 'WEAT-FM West Palm Beach' first right off the bat and tag on the others, not just 'WEAT-HD1 West Palm Beach'?
Those Miami translators, Mark: any real chance of those coming to fruition? I remember a 105.1D in Riviera Beach that was filed during the Translator Invasion of 2003 but on numerous trips to WPB, I've yet to hear it on the air....
Plus WRMF's not running IBOC (yet), so they do have a cleaner analog sound than 'EAT-FM.
Both stations sound good in West Broward.
Question that continues to be debated with HD Radio and IBOC: 104.3's calls are WEAT-FM, with COL West Palm Beach.
IBOC or not, aren't they supposed to ID as 'WEAT-FM West Palm Beach' first right off the bat and tag on the others, not just 'WEAT-HD1 West Palm Beach'?
Those Miami translators, Mark: any real chance of those coming to fruition? I remember a 105.1D in Riviera Beach that was filed during the Translator Invasion of 2003 but on numerous trips to WPB, I've yet to hear it on the air....
RadioGuy2004 said:
I'll address the legal ID question first, then I will address the translator question.
Regarding WEAT-FM, or any radio station, the legal ID is always, with one exception, call letters followed by community of license with absolutely nothing inserted between call sign and COL. The only exception to this rule is the license may, but is not required, insert the legal licensee name between the call sign and the COL. Ex: "WEAT-FM, CBS Radio, Inc., West Palm Beach." This is the only exception. A licensee may add anything before the call sign and anything after the legal COL. Ex: "Serving the Palm Beaches and South Florida, WEAT-FM West Palm Beach, With the Best Variety of Todays Favorites, Sunny 104.3 South Florida", OR "Serving the Palm Beaches and South Florida, WEAT-FM, CBS Radio, Inc., West Palm Beach, With the Best Variety of Todays Favorites, Sunny 104.3 South Florida" are both acceptable and will pass FCC muster regarding legal station identification.
Regarding the Miami translator applications, obviously only one applicant will prevail if any of the applications are approved. Provided the applications specify all the legal and spacing requirements, chances are one of the applicants will prevail and be awarded a CP. However, it is difficult to say how long it will take the FCC to make a decision.
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jmtillery said:
I have a 1978 aircheck of WAIA 97.3 Miami a.k.a. "A1A". The TOH went "From the Palm Beaches to Key West, you're on A1A. And A1A is WAIA, Cox Broadcasting, Miami." So this is legal? And, was it legal as well in 1978? I didn't think this was right!
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cd637299 said:
Yes, the WAIA ID example you gave is very legal, and was legal in 1978. Additionlly, the legal ID format is still legal today. A licensee may insert the licensee's name, exactly as it appears on the station license, between call letters and community of license.
Using the WAIA example, since the call letters were WAIA, the community of license was, and still is, Miami, and the licensee was Cox Broadcasting in 1978, it was perfectly legal to identify as "WAIA, Cox Broadcasting, Miami". The licensee name is the only permissible insertion between call letters and community of license as no other insertions are permissible.
Had Cox Broadcasting chose not to use the legal licensee name between call letters and COL, the ID example you used would have been slightly modified to read "From the Palm Beaches to Key West, you're on A1A. And A1A is WAIA Miami." One other option would be WAIA-FM Miami. However, it should be noted that the suffix "FM" is actually a part of the call sign and would qualify as the "call letters followed by community of license" format.
Lastly, the "FM" suffix is optional unless there is an AM station sharing the same call letters in which case the "FM" suffix is required as part of the call letter combination on the FM station sharing the same call sign.
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Does anyone have a signal from West Palm to Key West? Love that Legal ID. A 1500 tower, that would have to be the highest in Florida.
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vadar
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Is that 101.5, the Point? Isn't there a 101.5 in Jax/Brunswick with a monster signal/stick too?
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No. It's 102.5; the Point is in St. Pete @ 101.5. Funny though, with calls including "PT", even I had to check radio-locator to verify! They are called The Bone, and you'd think that they'd adjust call letters!
102.5 covers a chunk o'land. There's also a 102.5 in the lower Keys (WPIK), but they are one of the tower-fall victims, and are running "aux" power.
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102.5 covers a chunk o'land. There's also a 102.5 in the lower Keys (WPIK), but they are one of the tower-fall victims, and are running "aux" power.
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Interestingly, both area Country stations - WKIS and WIRK - have claimed to reach from the "Palm Beaches to the Keys." Neither were ever part of the top-of-the-hour ID, but they were used as recently as a couple of years ago. Way back in the 80s, the late WOVV bragged that it served "the Palm Beaches, the Treasure Coast, the Bahamas, and a bit of the Bermuda Triangle." I am confident that WOVV's signal (now that of WLDI) never reached either Freeport or Nassau.
jmtillery said:
73.1201 also allows for channel and network (TV) between calls and Community of License.
"Content. (1) Official station identification shall consist of
the station's call letters immediately followed by the community or
communities specified in its license as the station's location;
Provided, That the name of the licensee, the station's frequency, the
station's channel number, as stated on the station's license, and/or the
station's network affiliation may be inserted between the call letters
and station location."
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2009/octqtr/47cfr73.1201.htm
Yes, David. Thank you for pointing that out. I had neglected to mention the channel / frequency as permissible between call letters and city of license.
Very early in my broadcast career, I once worked for a small AM-FM combination in rural West Central Florida which simulcast FM programming 100% on our co-owned 500 watt AM during the weekends. We inserted the frequency between call letters and city of license to let the listeners know we were in simulcast mode. The actual simulcast ID we use was "You are listening to WTRS 920 AM and WTRS-FM 102.3 Dunnellon, Florida". That was the only time we used the frequency in the statin ID. When we seperated the AM programming from the FM Monday through Friday, we used our standard WTRS Dunnellon, Florida and WTRS-FM Dunnellon, Florida respectively. Although adding Florida was optional, for whatever reason our general manager wanted the state included in our legals IDs.
Very early in my broadcast career, I once worked for a small AM-FM combination in rural West Central Florida which simulcast FM programming 100% on our co-owned 500 watt AM during the weekends. We inserted the frequency between call letters and city of license to let the listeners know we were in simulcast mode. The actual simulcast ID we use was "You are listening to WTRS 920 AM and WTRS-FM 102.3 Dunnellon, Florida". That was the only time we used the frequency in the statin ID. When we seperated the AM programming from the FM Monday through Friday, we used our standard WTRS Dunnellon, Florida and WTRS-FM Dunnellon, Florida respectively. Although adding Florida was optional, for whatever reason our general manager wanted the state included in our legals IDs.
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So, it's safe to say that the best signals in the state are 102.5 in Tampa and 105.9 in Orlando.
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vadar said:
97.5 Winter Haven ain't half bad, either....if not for Coast 97.3's IBOC, well.....
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CD, 97.5 WPCV is a frequent catch in southern Palm Beach County, especially during tropo during the summer through late fall. Have you ever caught it in Broward? Another impressive signal is WMBX/Jensen Beach, which has a good signal in much of Palm Beach County, Okeechobee County, as well as the Treasure Coast and a good chunk of the Space Coast.
102.5/The Bone does very well into Port Charlotte, and is very audible in good chunks of the Ft. Myers area. Also, don't forget about WFLZ, which reaches northward very nicely, especially into the suburbs of Orlando.
102.5/The Bone does very well into Port Charlotte, and is very audible in good chunks of the Ft. Myers area. Also, don't forget about WFLZ, which reaches northward very nicely, especially into the suburbs of Orlando.
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