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More changes coming at The River

I know that Todd is going to be a great PD. He has that "edge" about him...And I support him 100%.

Oh Todd, pick up your socks.

Jake(another guy that uses his name) Sommers
 
He'll do well, he had to put up with my snoring in the next room, when he was my summer intern at WAY-Nashville during his Cedarville U. days... Oh, Todd...I'm hungry.. Wanna' get some White Castles??? "Skip" who KNOWS you will kick satan-booty in that PD spot... ;D
 
Todd: While you are here I have a programming question.

Can you explain what other format experiences the honeymoon factor and why, if "Christian AC" is a viable longterm format, would such a drop be an acceptable standard?
 
xianbroadcaster said:
Todd: While you are here I have a programming question.

Can you explain what other format experiences the honeymoon factor and why, if "Christian AC" is a viable longterm format, would such a drop be an acceptable standard?

I don't consider this "honeymoon factor" an acceptable standard. It's actually very puzzling, and from what I can tell, happens mostly outside of the Bible-belt of America.

I've seen a curiousity and excitement when an all music "Christian AC" comes into a market. Yet, when the dust settles a bit and time moves on stations are left with those who "would normally listen to a Christian AC". Many other fringe listeners come and go and aren't as loyal to the station's core values.

Just like every other radio station, the goal is to get more people to sample and stay awhile.

todd
 
Todd,

It may not be acceptable but it pretty much does seem to be the norm as you pointed at.

Its been years since I really observed Christian radio trends but I think one reason is because (in several instances) the station forgets their central core purpose...connecting with people and take the audience for granted OR they refocus their attentions.

I think that is a lot of what has happened with WCVO. I am certain I will get feedback from observers and staff on this board but I think with the focus on growing a network that the focus of the organization has changed and the resources that were previously devoted to WCVO are now just not there. Without staying in front of your audience all the time, your stations ratings will be up and down. Worse yet, your stations ratings could just continue to go down.

Columbus is a different market as there is a 25 year history of Christian Music Radio in that market dating back to the old WCKX 106.3 when it was a CCM station. Problem is none of these stations were committed to the long haul before they were onto other things...like WCVO has done...If they (you) continue to follow other interests instead of cultivating and serving the audience they (you) have you can look for WCVO to be in the same spot they were before the transition to music or to be sold and format flipped.

Would Salem buy it? Sure but are they in a position to buy it? Salem is so financially lopsided and in the red on a lot of their efforts that I could see them focusing totally on Internet and Satellite media...HONEST!

Sorry to be so opinionated I do not mean it to be offensive.
 
xian - "the resources that were previously devoted to WCVO are now just not there"

Hmmmm ... is this any different from other media groups? Clear Channel has a couple of top stations in the market, but they can't figure out what to do with the others ... and then they keep cutting bodies! Saga is trying to figure out where they're going with anything other than Sunny. Salem? Yeah, right! Their CCM "Fish" stations aren't anywhere close their potential, mainly because they aren't focusing enough on them. I doubt that the station will be sold and flipped, but I guess since WCVO is a CCM/"Religious" station, they're supposed to know all the answers and get it right all the time?

Interesting opinion, though!
 
ecdzit said:
xian - "the resources that were previously devoted to WCVO are now just not there"

Hmmmm ... is this any different from other media groups? Clear Channel has a couple of top stations in the market, but they can't figure out what to do with the others ... and then they keep cutting bodies! Saga is trying to figure out where they're going with anything other than Sunny. Salem? Yeah, right! Their CCM "Fish" stations aren't anywhere close their potential, mainly because they aren't focusing enough on them. I doubt that the station will be sold and flipped, but I guess since WCVO is a CCM/"Religious" station, they're supposed to know all the answers and get it right all the time?

Interesting opinion, though!

I didn't imply that they were supposed to get it right all the time...I was just throwing my two cents worth out there.

I certainly don't hold CC or any other Saga up in any sort of esteem but I did isolate the conversation to CCM since that is the format we are talking about.

Salem is in the Red on their nationally syndicated shows in such a huge way that I believe I pointed out that I could see them eventually abandoning growth in terrestrial radio and focusing on Internet and Satellite operations or did I just think that and not write it? That said, considering Columbus is a top 50 market I could see where Salem would buy a property in the market if for no other reason than the commercial inventory it would give them.

Make no mistake, Salem does have the cash to buy in Columbus but like you I doubt they would know too much of what to do with it.

Word has it that they are looking for more humble digs to base their corporate offices out of.
 
I don't think the River has taken its local focus off of Columbus at all. sure.. they run 2 nationally syndicated shows, but I think that is more about the quality for the cost figure. They could surely put a local morning show/ evening show back on, but for the $$ they pay for Scott & Sam/ Tesh (starting tonight) I don't think you would get anything any better... If anything I think by putting these 2 shows on they are trying harder to relate and connect to the core demo (emotionally).

As far as a network is concerned.. 104.9 is operated completely separate. It has nothing to do with the network other than during fund raising week.

I can't imagine that Dan Baughman would allow any more money to be spent on the network than what is budgeted.
 
michiana_media said:
I don't think the River has taken its local focus off of Columbus at all. sure.. they run 2 nationally syndicated shows, but I think that is more about the quality for the cost figure. They could surely put a local morning show/ evening show back on, but for the $$ they pay for Scott & Sam/ Tesh (starting tonight) I don't think you would get anything any better... If anything I think by putting these 2 shows on they are trying harder to relate and connect to the core demo (emotionally).

As far as a network is concerned.. 104.9 is operated completely separate. It has nothing to do with the network other than during fund raising week.

I can't imagine that Dan Baughman would allow any more money to be spent on the network than what is budgeted.

I don't think that the syndicated shows are a way of taking your eye off your local market. I think that the Tesh show is a huge upgrade for the evenings and will be a money maker for them as well as a solid performer in the books. I have not listened to the morning show but in all honesty, I never really cared for any of the morning shows they have offered so...I am neutral on that one.

Where I believe they and pretty much every other CCM station take their eye off the local market is in local marketing efforts...like the billboards, the commercials the creative promotional partnerships with Christian and mainstream organizations that take their name into the marketplace beyond those who find their station because they are looking for Christian Music...That's all I meant. Programming-wise, I am certain that WCVO is consistent with what they have done in the past and there is little they should change on that front as it HAS BEEN WORKING FOR THEM but only in tandem with the marketing to help introduce the format and station to new listeners. When a station, any station, not just WCVO, lets up on that front you are relying totally on your P1 listeners and do not gain from top of mind presence with your passive listeners or those who may be exploring the radio dial.

While the station (WCVO) and the network may be operated seperately but because it is all owned by one central organization that central organization has one pot of money (ultimately) to draw from...so, anything and everything else CVCO does impacts the amount of money that can go into WCVO.

So, where I think the funds lack is in the aggressive marketing that WCVO did when they flipped to CCM...I may be totally wrong but I don't see the billboards or the "in the street and on your mind" mentality as much anymore with the station...the core has grown but you can see it is a shrink back from the booming books of the last couple years.

Is that good enough? Maybe. I actually think it is good enough if the goal is to operate a financially successful station. At some point the station ownership has to determine how much more revenue they can generate by spending in marketing as opposed to how much they can generate by just sort of hanging around and if that revenue justifies the effort and financial resources. I think most Christian stations find that they can make an equal or even greater amount of usable money by simply being there.

NONE of what I write should be interpreted as an attack of what WCVO is or isn't doing and nothing should be read between the lines of what I've written. I've met and spoke with Dan Baughman on several occasions and have nothing but the highest regard for him and the team he has working at WCVO...this is all just discussion and meant for that purpose alone.
 
xianbroadcaster said:
I think that the Tesh show is a huge upgrade for the evenings and will be a money maker for them as well as a solid performer in the books. I have not listened to the morning show but in all honesty, I never really cared for any of the morning shows they have offered so...I am neutral on that one.

Hmmm...Tesh just replaced me at night...and I used to be on the morning show...

Gees...I'm glad you're not my life coach...(I'm only joking around btw)

todd
 
ToddStach said:
xianbroadcaster said:
I think that the Tesh show is a huge upgrade for the evenings and will be a money maker for them as well as a solid performer in the books. I have not listened to the morning show but in all honesty, I never really cared for any of the morning shows they have offered so...I am neutral on that one.

Hmmm...Tesh just replaced me at night...and I used to be on the morning show...

Gees...I'm glad you're not my life coach...(I'm only joking around btw)

todd


LOL!!! Why the heck are you so stinking needy? Oh, that's right you are in radio!

:)

BTW, TESH is an upgrade because of the style of show he does and how deeply it connects to the listener...that is a tough thing for a local jock who is also doing other duties...not impossible but honestly, he has a unique angle to his show that is very enjoyable for "The Ladies".

I am a certified life coach if you are looking for one...I do it between my night shifts at White Castle and my Mid-Day work for CC...I'm KIDDING!!! I don't work for CC at all, never have. I actually don't work for White Castle either.
 
It's interesting to "listen" to the banter regarding local vs. syndi programs. Granted, I'm still a novice in this arena but isn't one of the blessings of being in radio ministry the opportunity to see/hear about changed lives? Whether it's via the spoken word format (Moody-esque or what I hear 91.5 will become) or through music - God's still sovereign (at least that's my take on things) and can cause the listener to process things in a supernatural way. (whether it's live or VT) I've only been on air since 2002 and I am amazed by some of the stories from listeners I've been privileged to hear.

I'll also acknowledge that I'm not a real "formatted" host, however when I did evenings in Canton - we miraculously tied Delilah with wm 18-35. I didn't even realize until the GM called me........he was pleased. I'm enjoying my 10 P - Midnight at Moody in Cleveland. Nice balance between INSPO format music and content. It's doubly enjoyable because I'm not being told what I can and can't say. Sure, I'm up against Tesh on the FISH, (and I'm sure his numbers are hammering mine), but I'm thankful for the prayer request calls, emails and notes (yep, snail mail) I receive from listeners. I figure if God can create the world, He can speak to folks whether through "intelligence for your life" or "radio for the heart". Radio, as in life, goes through seasons.
 
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