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More Proof TVLAND is Worthless

As if showing SCRUBS, 3rd Rock, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, and other recent shows didn't already prove TVLAND is worthless, the latest addition to their programming line-up takes the cake. What is this latest piece of worthless programming TVLAND has added? It's INFOMERCIALS! That's right. TVLAND has begun airing infomericals. Monday-Friday 5AM-7AM Eastern and Monday-Friday 6AM-9AM beginning December 29.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/blog/2008/11/2008-network-tv-holiday-specials-tv.html - Scroll down past the article about Holiday Programming on the various networks.
 
Whoa - for a minute there, I thought you were going to say that TV Land had started adding "Perfect Strangers" reruns to their lineup. Whew!
 
In case a TV Land programmer is scanning this board, let me add this:

ENOUGH OF THE (expletive deleted) COSBY SHOW!!!!

Don't get me wrong, it's a great show. But night after night of these marathons are getting very old.
 
I think it's great that they show Cosby marathons. The more they show it then more people will get a recipe for Bacon Burger Dogs.
 
MarcB said:
What is this latest piece of worthless programming TVLAND has added? It's INFOMERCIALS! That's right. TVLAND has begun airing infomericals. Monday-Friday 5AM-7AM Eastern and Monday-Friday 6AM-9AM beginning December 29.

Infomercials? Wow, something WATCHABLE for once on TVLAND.

As worthless as TVL has been for years now, I consider it an improvement.

--Russell
 
Can't wait for that scary carny guy hosting the Sham Wow Hour!

Or....maybe a Billy Mays marathon??? :eek:
 
I DO NOT INTEND TO INJECT POLITICS INTO THIS,
but I've read a couple of newspaper articles comparing
the Obamas to the Huxtables. If Barack Obama proves
to be as popular and successful as many people hope,
we may be seeing "The Cosby Show" in syndication on
regular channels again.
 
Russell W. said:
MarcB said:
What is this latest piece of worthless programming TVLAND has added? It's INFOMERCIALS! That's right. TVLAND has begun airing infomericals. Monday-Friday 5AM-7AM Eastern and Monday-Friday 6AM-9AM beginning December 29.
Infomercials? Wow, something WATCHABLE for once on TVLAND.
As worthless as TVL has been for years now, I consider it an improvement.
--Russell
We could only hope they are Ronco commericals!

"Hey Beautiful, we'll be back to pick you up later!!"
 
ChaseW said:
I think it's great that they show Cosby marathons. The more they show it then more people will get a recipe for Bacon Burger Dogs.

Or bring the fashion stylings of Gordon Gartrell back into vogue.
 
Surfer said:
They're getting ready to flip to TVCRAPLAND...all the shows we don't have to pay a lot to broadcast.

Getting ready? Dude, they passed the border of TVCRAPLAND a couple of years ago and haven't looked back! :mad:

And, they're doing so 'well' now with the new programming that they are resorting to infomercials, eh? Let's see the advocates of this younger demo crap argue their way around this one after telling us that diluting the mission and ruining TV Land was a smart business plan! Come on, I'm waiting....... ::)
 
Facts are pesky things, no? The fact is the ratings are up in their target demo...but don't let your mind be troubled with facts. Instead, just go about thinking apples and oranges are the same thing. ;D

A few hours of informercials in the early morning. Wow, wake me when there's something meaningful to report.
 
imhomerjay said:
Facts are pesky things, no? The fact is the ratings are up in their target demo...but don't let your mind be troubled with facts. Instead, just go about thinking apples and oranges are the same thing. ;D

A few hours of informercials in the early morning. Wow, wake me when there's something meaningful to report.
Isn't there enough low-powered UHF stations showing informercials already?
 
TVLand is doomed. :-*

These cable networks are such a waste. I watch the real classic tv shows for free on WWME, WMEU from Chicago as well as WMYS and soon to be 28.2 WSJV DT http://www.rtnville.com/ from South Bend.

I'm not sure how it is in other markets but I'd assume alot of these classic shows are coming to broadcast tv?

With so much true classic TV shows coming to broadcast digital tv for FREE why would anyone want to pay for cable to watch infomercials and Scrubs on TVLand?? Are they just giving up at this point? I remember a few years ago when Nick At Nite dropped their classic shows in favor of more modern shows like George Lopez and they said they would focus on improving TVLand at that point. Is this there big improvement?
 
KyDXIn said:
imhomerjay said:
Facts are pesky things, no? The fact is the ratings are up in their target demo...but don't let your mind be troubled with facts. Instead, just go about thinking apples and oranges are the same thing. ;D

A few hours of informercials in the early morning. Wow, wake me when there's something meaningful to report.
Isn't there enough low-powered UHF stations showing informercials already?

Also not relevant, honestly. If those "low powered UHF" (and some full powered, network affiliated VHF, too) stations want to make their budgets, it has no bearing on any other channel or cable network opting to do the same. Nor is it the obligation of any other station or cable network to base their policies and decisions on what may or may not happen on individual stations in individual markets.
 
imhomerjay said:
Facts are pesky things, no? The fact is the ratings are up in their target demo...but don't let your mind be troubled with facts. Instead, just go about thinking apples and oranges are the same thing. ;D

A few hours of informercials in the early morning. Wow, wake me when there's something meaningful to report.

You always seem to insist on that, but I'd like to see the data to back up the statements. And, the words "target demo" are suspicious too. I'd wager that overall viewership is down significantly, but perhaps 18-34 is up a little. Which wouldn't be saying much since that was not the group that the channel was designed for in the first place.

Fully 75 percent of the channels on cable are after that demo, to the detriment of everyone else's programming. They're not all going to hit the target, in fact few are. It's a smaller group than the older demo and the strategy has consistently resulted in smaller and smaller overall viewership for networks who go after it.

Remember, doubling an audience of one results in two. Even a 100% ratings increase with small numbers like that (ok maybe 1 is pushing it a little!) is hardly significant. ::)
 
BRNout said:
imhomerjay said:
Facts are pesky things, no? The fact is the ratings are up in their target demo...but don't let your mind be troubled with facts. Instead, just go about thinking apples and oranges are the same thing. ;D

A few hours of informercials in the early morning. Wow, wake me when there's something meaningful to report.

You always seem to insist on that, but I'd like to see the data to back up the statements. And, the words "target demo" are suspicious too. I'd wager that overall viewership is down significantly, but perhaps 18-34 is up a little. Which wouldn't be saying much since that was not the group that the channel was designed for in the first place.

Fully 75 percent of the channels on cable are after that demo, to the detriment of everyone else's programming. They're not all going to hit the target, in fact few are. It's a smaller group than the older demo and the strategy has consistently resulted in smaller and smaller overall viewership for networks who go after it.

Remember, doubling an audience of one results in two. Even a 100% ratings increase with small numbers like that (ok maybe 1 is pushing it a little!) is hardly significant. ::)


TV Land isn't shooting for 18-34; it's 25-54 with a core of 40-54--a less crowded niche.

40 year olds are children of the '70s and '80s; much of the 'original' programming on TV Land was old rerun material to them in their youth. That some of them may still enjoy seeing it doesn't mean enough do to make it a viable full-time model, much as you seem to cling to the idea that a network may not change its programming to match the new audiences that enter its demographic range. (Hey, I hate MTV now, but I'm supposed to: I'm long-since out of the demo, and most of us know kids don't think what their parents watched is remotely cool.)

Whatever the percentage of networks aiming at a specific demo, there has to be a reason for it. You may not like it, I may not like it--but I understand that it's advertising that drives the decisions. Any smart businessperson will go where the money is to be made. You can hate it all you want or try to deny that it's reality, but it's the way it goes. What many of the networks are doing is serving a subset of that audience: Food Network being just one example. Do you really think they have any illusions of becoming a top-10 network in the 18-34 demo? Of course not. But they deliver a very desirable audience to advertisers. For "food-specific" marketers, buying time on networks like Food and HGTV might be enough. For some broader-leaning companies, they just combine the various channels that deliver segments of that demo and buy them as a larger group. And fair or not, they pay more for the audiences in their demos.

And yes, we've all read the "I'm in the XX-XX demo, and I don't like [fill in the blank], and no one I know watches it, either." Setting aside the silly notion that any of us really know the TV viewing habits of everyone we know, anecdotal examples tinged with the long-established proof that people quite often tend to associate with those of similar tastes, views and interests and not those who may differ from them (case in point: politics) mean precisely zero. They make good stories, but prove nothing. Likewise, not being a Nielsen home and not knowing anyone from one doesn't mean the sampling process isn't reasonably reflective of the general population. I for one dislike reality shows save for quiz/game shows. But my disdain for them is demonstrably not shared by the full population of my peers. So be it. But it's just silliness and illustrative of a lack of busienss savvy to suggest a network will fail/suffer because they're not programming to my tastes or those of my friends and family.

I don't get High School Reunion, for example--but it's been reported the show was getting about 800,000 viewers and the season finale beat its year-ago time slot performance by almost 90%. Those are cold, hard facts. A lot of people out there don't share my taste. And like every network under the sun no matter their individual target demos, TV Land will have its share of duds. But the occassional flop on TV Land or Weather Channel or whever doesn't prove a strategic failure, just a tactical one on a particular show.
 
But then again, there's still infomercials. And "Scrubs" airing on every channel (so it seems). And nightly "Cosby Show" marathons. I known TV Land is aiming at specific demographics, but do viewers today actually like less variety?
 
imhomerjay said:
KyDXIn said:
Isn't there enough low-powered UHF stations showing informercials already?
Also not relevant, honestly. If those "low powered UHF" (and some full powered, network affiliated VHF, too) stations want to make their budgets, it has no bearing on any other channel or cable network opting to do the same. Nor is it the obligation of any other station or cable network to base their policies and decisions on what may or may not happen on individual stations in individual markets.
My point is who is going to tune in to watch infomericals! If ratings are declining this will do nothing but hasten the decline.
 
Why not watch infomercials??

When Vincent the ShamWow Jerk isn't hyping his make believe chamois skins, we can all watch Cleve the Creepy Bunghole Boy trying to sell colon cleaner to suckers who never took an ExLax to do the same thing. If you're sound asleep after suffering through one of the above, then there's Screamin' Billy Mays with the voice like nails across a chalkboard that could wake the dead from 300 yards away.
 
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