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More Proof TVLAND is Worthless
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imhomerjay
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KyDXIn said:
The point wan't clear. But it still doesn't hold. Point 1, ratings aren't declining. Point 2, any number of channels/networks not in danger of failing run infomercials in some slots. USA is the #1 or #2 entertainment cable network with a number of hit shows that attract audiences the broadcasters would like to get sometimes, and they run informercials in the early morning.
With a response like that, you must sell the damn things! Informericals are annoying things that should be turned off!Prais said:
Nasty?? I'm in Louisville (aka Kentuckiana) and, if you care to LEARN a factoid, DX is the term for long-distance listening, in the manner as RX and WX. Now you can go back to watching your informericals!
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imhomerjay
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KyDXIn said:
The simple solution to that is don't watch. Turn them off. If enough people do that, they go away, simple as that. But for whatever reason, people do buy from them...the producers have to get the money from somewhere. Not liking them is subjective, but the point that they work to enough of a degree to keep going is an objective fact...perhaps not one you or I understand, but a fact nonetheless.
DX, Re; your Factoid; Big deal. I was dxing with my Hallicrafters radio (sometimes tuned to WHAS and other places around the world), when I was 10 years old in Chicago, 48 years ago.
In 1985, I sold the 4 radio stations I owned to a doctor and happily retired. I haven't been up before 9am in a long time, so infomercials don't annoy ME.
You should probably READ the instructions that came with your tv. It may have a CHANNEL CHANGE KNOB. Become familar with that one knob, and perhaps your annoyance will cease.
One more thing; a FACOID for YOU, sir; TV stations are mostly licenses to steal. Running infomercials and "paid religion" (especially in off hours like TV Land and probably 40 other cable channels do ) increases the bottom line, annoying or not. The channels don't care because the infomercials usually run in off hours. Like I said, MONEY always talks. BELIEVE ME - YOU would certainly run infomercials too, if you were an owner. O YES YOU WOULD!
Happy Thanksgiving.
In 1985, I sold the 4 radio stations I owned to a doctor and happily retired. I haven't been up before 9am in a long time, so infomercials don't annoy ME.
You should probably READ the instructions that came with your tv. It may have a CHANNEL CHANGE KNOB. Become familar with that one knob, and perhaps your annoyance will cease.
One more thing; a FACOID for YOU, sir; TV stations are mostly licenses to steal. Running infomercials and "paid religion" (especially in off hours like TV Land and probably 40 other cable channels do ) increases the bottom line, annoying or not. The channels don't care because the infomercials usually run in off hours. Like I said, MONEY always talks. BELIEVE ME - YOU would certainly run infomercials too, if you were an owner. O YES YOU WOULD!
Happy Thanksgiving.
Back right after the 9/11 ecconomic turndown TV Land ran informercials in the wee hours. This lasted about a year. Let's hope this is a temporary measure, too.
As far as their crappy programing goes.... I hate it, too. But the fact is They were running All in The Family weekday mornings. If I had a break in my day I would occasionly watch it. I think most of us here on this board would agree the A. I. T. F. was one of the best programs to ever air. However, the spots in it were wheelchairs, scooters, and retirement insurance ads. Obviously they were not selling it. Maybe their sales dept. is just lazy, but it doesn't matter. The fact is, the revenue just wasn't there.
I have never cared for the Cosby show. I never watch it or Scrubs. I rather watch All in the Family or Green Acres but I guess I just don't matter. It's their company and they will do what they like and what they think will make $$$. TV Land R. I. P.
As far as their crappy programing goes.... I hate it, too. But the fact is They were running All in The Family weekday mornings. If I had a break in my day I would occasionly watch it. I think most of us here on this board would agree the A. I. T. F. was one of the best programs to ever air. However, the spots in it were wheelchairs, scooters, and retirement insurance ads. Obviously they were not selling it. Maybe their sales dept. is just lazy, but it doesn't matter. The fact is, the revenue just wasn't there.
I have never cared for the Cosby show. I never watch it or Scrubs. I rather watch All in the Family or Green Acres but I guess I just don't matter. It's their company and they will do what they like and what they think will make $$$. TV Land R. I. P.
Dont you mean TV is worthless?
Tv has hit a WALL as a whole! Nothing has charecter anymore,they show too many commercials even on cable,the weather in one corner of the screen,the time in another,pop ups showing coming up next and of course the dreaded TV channel water mark showing the network youre paying too much for!
I had it with TV,I watch DVDs and rabbit ears.Digital and the internet have ruined TV ! Booooo!
Tv has hit a WALL as a whole! Nothing has charecter anymore,they show too many commercials even on cable,the weather in one corner of the screen,the time in another,pop ups showing coming up next and of course the dreaded TV channel water mark showing the network youre paying too much for!
I had it with TV,I watch DVDs and rabbit ears.Digital and the internet have ruined TV ! Booooo!
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imhomerjay
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azumanga said:
And the college students in dorms haven't been measurable by Nielsen and thus irrelevant to advertisers. Anecodtes don't cut it. What's more, college kids aren't the main target for many TV advertisers outside of MTV either. In daytime, the ones with the major $ to spend are running the 'mom-focused' ads that you see filling most of the slots on The View, for example (Gerber, Suave, Playtex, etc.). There's money to be made in the demo in daytime, you just have to go to the right places.
Even if demographics weren't so important to TV Land, I still really believe they would not have stayed with airing classic TV shows. Simply put there are a LOT of adults reguardless of age who just aren't interested in watching most of the classics. Maybe its the fear of "living in the past" for many of them or whatever. One could very use this "excuse" as to the downfall of the other channels ( AMC and Game Show Network to name two ) or even the downfall of oldies radio as well. I myself have seen many of times 50 year olds who much rather listen to "modern" music like Good Charlotte, Alecia Keys, Hip Hop, Blink-182 or whatever rather than the music they grew up with like Elton John's 70s music or even music from the 80's. Maybe they don't want to show their age by acting young or maybe they feel that today's music is better..who knows but they are out there and there are many of them.
Just last week I was at a function and met this guy who back in the 80's worked at Washington's WTTG channel 5 and he would be the first to admit how better the WTTG line-up was at the time and chances are the employees there would agree too BUT....as he was telling me WTTG over time started to get mail and calls from viewers accusing the station of "living in the past" and how they "need to update their programming". Then within a few years gone were the classics I Love Lucy, Beaver, The Flintstones, The Love Boat etc......in favor of those court and talk shows, modern classics like "The Simpsons" and "Friends" and of course the news was expanded too such as in the mornings for exmple and from what he was telling me he knew of a number of other stations around the country who experienced the same as well as in it was the viewers who wanted the new "modern" progamming.
Yes there are lots of younger people who are into the classics and I am sure there are many of adults who miss them as well ( I am one of them ) but I wouldn't be surprised if one goes to the streets and ask the regular TV viewer ( reguardless of age ) if they would rather see an episode of I Love Lucy or Perry Mason or would they rather see some current reality show or CSI, I would not be at all surprised if most of them would choose the latter.
Just last week I was at a function and met this guy who back in the 80's worked at Washington's WTTG channel 5 and he would be the first to admit how better the WTTG line-up was at the time and chances are the employees there would agree too BUT....as he was telling me WTTG over time started to get mail and calls from viewers accusing the station of "living in the past" and how they "need to update their programming". Then within a few years gone were the classics I Love Lucy, Beaver, The Flintstones, The Love Boat etc......in favor of those court and talk shows, modern classics like "The Simpsons" and "Friends" and of course the news was expanded too such as in the mornings for exmple and from what he was telling me he knew of a number of other stations around the country who experienced the same as well as in it was the viewers who wanted the new "modern" progamming.
Yes there are lots of younger people who are into the classics and I am sure there are many of adults who miss them as well ( I am one of them ) but I wouldn't be surprised if one goes to the streets and ask the regular TV viewer ( reguardless of age ) if they would rather see an episode of I Love Lucy or Perry Mason or would they rather see some current reality show or CSI, I would not be at all surprised if most of them would choose the latter.
It will be ten years ago on December 30 that what was then TCI-before AT&T and later Comcast took over the cable franchise for the Pittsburgh area-that TV Land was added. What a paradise for classic TV buffs. Now if I can have a digital box again so I can catch RTN. "Get me out of TV Land, take me to RTNville"-that should be the new slogan for RTN.
To me RTN's lineup of shows isn't as good now since they dropped their deal with CBS/Paramount and went with Universal instead. I think that was a big mistake. I used to want a station in my area to get RTN, but it doesn't seem to be as good as it was in the past when I've seen it. They also fall short in some of their original shows, and they're definitely worse than TV Land in running infomercials late night.
I just wish that there could get to be new network that would really give TV Land some real competition. ION, ALN and RTN have all fallen short in one way or another. :-\
I just wish that there could get to be new network that would really give TV Land some real competition. ION, ALN and RTN have all fallen short in one way or another. :-\
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Don62
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Maybe for a small group but not many.mleach said:
After all, a cable channel doesn't have to rely on getting a majority of viewers. Niche or more focused programming like sports, weather, news, music, movies, etc. can and does draw audiences.
There are 50+ channels on most cable systems. Why can't we have at least one airing older TV shows? There are more fans for those shows than many would think.
Not every program has to be focused for the young. They aren't the only important demo. The Baby Boomers is going to be the most important demo.
I hate to say this, but I've been seeing ads for the new season of the dreaded High School Reunion. I hope that TV Land doesn't do the overkill like they did last year with it. Other original shows they tried to run like that bombed and I hope they learned their lesson. I can tolerate it being on once a week like they're doing with most other originals now, but if they do the same kind of overkill again I hope it bombs. Considering the direction that VH1 has gone it needs to be there instead, but since when does TV Land actually listen to its viewers, unless the ratings tank big. :
TVLAND also did not renew its contract for I LOVE LUCY. It expired on December 31st hence the all-day marathon. The good news is The Hallmark Channel picked up I Love Lucy as of January 1st and ran an all-day marathon.
Also if you don't want to watch TVLAND, TVONE has picked up rights to Sanford and Son and The Jeffersons, so you can still watch the shows without resorting to supporting TVLAND. My problem is DISH Network does not carry TV One. Nor does it carry The New MLB Network, The YES Network (home of the Yankees), or The N. (The N is still share-time with Noggin).
Also if you don't want to watch TVLAND, TVONE has picked up rights to Sanford and Son and The Jeffersons, so you can still watch the shows without resorting to supporting TVLAND. My problem is DISH Network does not carry TV One. Nor does it carry The New MLB Network, The YES Network (home of the Yankees), or The N. (The N is still share-time with Noggin).
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Don62
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My Three Sons would be a great choice for either Hallmark or TV Land, as would Get Smart, given the recent movie. I was pleasantly surprised to see Hogan's Heroes, another lost show, on TVL. Wish they would do the same with Get Smart and bring in some other longtime greats such as the Fred MacMurray show.
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