According to All Access, Skip Murphy retired from KRNB on last Friday.
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Most of yall would not care but..........
- Thread starter salemjedi54
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Other than Bucwhyl and myself no one cares about those formats. Anything about urban/urban ac/gospel on the DFW board gets trashed.
I tend to agree with jeff, salem. Maybe there's not a lot of discussion here about the formats you mentioned but there's probably more interest than you might think in the stations themselves and for some people who could be called legends in D/FW radio. When a guy like Skip Murphy retires it's something that I notice, and I also wonder what's ahead for the station.
I remember when K104 was a new station. I remember when Tom Joyner was on AM radio in Dallas. That's right, Soul 73 was one of my favorite stations and I still tune in occasionally. In fact, back in the 80's when I was at one of the rock stations in Dallas I'd listen to KKDA-AM on the way to work and loved it. Once I heard them play Nancy Wilson's "Guess Who I Saw Today" and was totally blown away. (If you know the song, great. If not, check out the lyrics sometime.)
I've been dismayed by what appeared to be the misdirection of KRNB over the years, I can see how K104 became successful and was able to hang onto it, but admittedly my tastes are more in line with K-SOUL when it comes to the formats you mentioned. I'm certainly not an authority on it but I do have an interest in what the stations are doing. You see, I love the old R&B, some of today's music that's decades out of my range, I prefer Black Gospel over Southern Gospel and I listen to Bluesville whenever I get the chance, too, more than any other satellite channel.
I'm not into trashing formats on this board, and speaking only for myself, I think you're probably generalizing just a bit too much. To you I might look like someone who'd prefer classic rock, news/talk, KEOM or Platinum. And that's just wrong. Just because I'm not in the target demo doesn't mean I don't listen or care about what happens in the urban/urban AC or gospel formats, and hopefully there are a lot more people out there who tend to look at it in a similar way.
I remember when K104 was a new station. I remember when Tom Joyner was on AM radio in Dallas. That's right, Soul 73 was one of my favorite stations and I still tune in occasionally. In fact, back in the 80's when I was at one of the rock stations in Dallas I'd listen to KKDA-AM on the way to work and loved it. Once I heard them play Nancy Wilson's "Guess Who I Saw Today" and was totally blown away. (If you know the song, great. If not, check out the lyrics sometime.)
I've been dismayed by what appeared to be the misdirection of KRNB over the years, I can see how K104 became successful and was able to hang onto it, but admittedly my tastes are more in line with K-SOUL when it comes to the formats you mentioned. I'm certainly not an authority on it but I do have an interest in what the stations are doing. You see, I love the old R&B, some of today's music that's decades out of my range, I prefer Black Gospel over Southern Gospel and I listen to Bluesville whenever I get the chance, too, more than any other satellite channel.
I'm not into trashing formats on this board, and speaking only for myself, I think you're probably generalizing just a bit too much. To you I might look like someone who'd prefer classic rock, news/talk, KEOM or Platinum. And that's just wrong. Just because I'm not in the target demo doesn't mean I don't listen or care about what happens in the urban/urban AC or gospel formats, and hopefully there are a lot more people out there who tend to look at it in a similar way.
salemjedi54 said:
Contrary to popular belief, I have alot of respect for urban formats like k-soul (i.e. grown folks urban/soul). 97.9 and 104.5 are more concerned about covering the "urban AC" angle, which is nice but they're closer to being a KISS clone than anything. Id rather hear a K104 hitting more the underground hip hop scene than following the crowd and playing the same lil wayne tracks over and over.
Everybody, Salem is just calling it as he's seen it in the past on this board. Me and him has took so sharp criticism for our past posts on formats that we know about. There has also been times when we were just totally ignored. We realized that we are the minority on this board, so therefore we post accordingly.
As far as KRNB's present format, it's a breath of fresh air for a "30-something" African American as myself. I have much respect for the classics, but you do kinda get tired of the same few "dusties" played over and over. I just hope Skip's exit is not a sign of a change in the music at KRNB.
As far as KRNB's present format, it's a breath of fresh air for a "30-something" African American as myself. I have much respect for the classics, but you do kinda get tired of the same few "dusties" played over and over. I just hope Skip's exit is not a sign of a change in the music at KRNB.
WOW this is big news.....possibly setting for a Skip Murphey and company reunion? I knew he was just playing out his contract. If Chris Arnold and Sam Putney leave the Cheatem's Playground soon, something maybe up. Is Nannette Lee still doing her "Phat Tuesdays" show at the Improv? Don't see her on thier web page anymore.
Those guys where so good together, I would image that a station would jump at the chance to bring that team back together. They where neck-to-neck with Kidd Craddock.
Those guys where so good together, I would image that a station would jump at the chance to bring that team back together. They where neck-to-neck with Kidd Craddock.
jd said:
KRNB is doing way better now they have focus. Maybe Ken Dowe stepped back a bit and let Shay Moore do her thing. The "New R&B" positioning is good, and its direct opposite of what KSOC is doing and thats is fine.
bucwhyl said:
I have no idea who is doing afternoons now. More than likely it would be Shay Moore. I think Skip just grew tired of being in the afternoons. Skip is a morning guy and afternoons are a different vibe. Remember when Russ Parr started doing afternoons on V100 when Granum brought Tom Joyner over. How long did Russ stay on the V. He bolted as soon as that WKYS morning gig come open. Its the same dynamic here.
Who knows where Skip may land, but if you think it will be a reunion of the old K104 Morning team, think again. Where could they go. Maybe Nannette and the Wig could join him, but where. Not on KSOC. Radio One owns Joyner, so thats not going to work. Sam Putney and Chris Arnold have solid 6 month to one year non competes. Do you think Clear Channel, Citadel or Cumulus would flip a station just to get Skip, The Wig and Nannette? I really don't think so.
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ButtnPushr
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Damn that hurts, Salem... The really hurts! Read back, I've always had your back on posts about Urban formats. I'm down like four flat tires!!salemjedi54 said:
JD ... my all time favorite Nancy Wilson song is "Guess Who I Saw Today." A lyric from poetry that is so well done in that Nancy Wilson sultry way ... right 'til the very last word ... "it was ... you." There is also a live in concert version that brings the house down, but the original studio "hit" is just incredible.
Also, "Face It Girl, It's Over" and "You'd Better Go" other other personal Wilson favorite. Nice post. Thanks for the memories.
Also, "Face It Girl, It's Over" and "You'd Better Go" other other personal Wilson favorite. Nice post. Thanks for the memories.
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DJ2PR
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salemjedi54 said:
Add one more to the mix. I just got on here... worked in big market urban and now listen affectionately. Having worked with Skip in the past, I can tell you this is a loss. But then again, it was a loss the second his namesake at 1-Oh-Fo' got jealous and kicked him off the air.
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MikeShannon914
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Yeah, more of us care than you think! Hadn't heard about Skip's retirement. KRNB kinda became the place to offload some of the aging K-104 talent, and it was more like a KVIL vs KLUV situation, when Chapman moved from the younger demo station to the older one, within the same company. But since KRNB dumped out of the old school stuff (regrettably,) I guess Skip didn't fit the demo as well anymore...or maybe he felt disenfranchised, or perhaps he got "CBS'ed" (dumped strictly for making too much money.)
I had no idea Chris Arnold still worked for Service Broadcasting...I used to listen to him on K-104 back in the Disco Soul days.
KRNB did indeed have a lot of misdirection, and some of you will remember when Steve Woods died six years ago this month (yeah, 6 years now) that it was many months before he was removed from the website. The music was some weird mix of slow R&B, then went "old school," then finally morphed into modern R&B pop today.
And, no matter how white this boy is (me, I'm saying,) I still believe a solid slow/pop R&B "contemporary gospel" station would work in this market. Positive messages with no heavy-handedness, much like the old "Rejoice" format from ABCRN (which still thrives somewhat elsewhere; see www.musicalsoulfood.com.) But you've got to give it a full stick and some TIME to build itself. The 35+ black audience has been forced all over the dial over the years, from KKDA-AM (which got too militant,) to K-104 (which went from R&B pop to rap in the 80s,) to Oasis (sort of a cop-out of a format, bringing in black listeners by default, as that audience had little place else to go,) and now to KSOC and KRNB (evidenced by both stations' substantial gains after Oasis went away.) But one station that really targets that demo's sensibilities and interests...I think it could work, and would certainly take a lot of audience away from the KSOC/KRNB rimshots.
Nancy Wilson? What about her sister Ann? You're talking about Heart, right?!? ???
I had no idea Chris Arnold still worked for Service Broadcasting...I used to listen to him on K-104 back in the Disco Soul days.
KRNB did indeed have a lot of misdirection, and some of you will remember when Steve Woods died six years ago this month (yeah, 6 years now) that it was many months before he was removed from the website. The music was some weird mix of slow R&B, then went "old school," then finally morphed into modern R&B pop today.
And, no matter how white this boy is (me, I'm saying,) I still believe a solid slow/pop R&B "contemporary gospel" station would work in this market. Positive messages with no heavy-handedness, much like the old "Rejoice" format from ABCRN (which still thrives somewhat elsewhere; see www.musicalsoulfood.com.) But you've got to give it a full stick and some TIME to build itself. The 35+ black audience has been forced all over the dial over the years, from KKDA-AM (which got too militant,) to K-104 (which went from R&B pop to rap in the 80s,) to Oasis (sort of a cop-out of a format, bringing in black listeners by default, as that audience had little place else to go,) and now to KSOC and KRNB (evidenced by both stations' substantial gains after Oasis went away.) But one station that really targets that demo's sensibilities and interests...I think it could work, and would certainly take a lot of audience away from the KSOC/KRNB rimshots.
Nancy Wilson? What about her sister Ann? You're talking about Heart, right?!? ???
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MikeShannon914
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Oh, and lest I forget on my last posting, above...you'll need someone who KNOWS the black community and understands such a station's demo who can SELL advertising. That doesn't mean signing up just the Blacque Images Bookstore in Wynnewood and the Wig Bazaar on Hatcher St (as we've seen before on some short-sighted R&B stations) BUT someone who realizes that there is indeed spending power with the 35+ blacks and will see past the color bar to pull in advertisers. In other words, anyone who ever sold spots for The Oasis need NOT apply. Talk about many, many missed opportunities to generate income. And you wonder why the Oasis is no longer around...there's ya one good possibility--ignoring one of your key demos.
(Nah, we're talking CBS here..."It was the JOCK'S fault. ____________ was overpaid, anyway." (Fill in the Tempie/Bret/Lynn/Charlie/Beno/Tim/Larry/Rick/Trevor/Doyle HERE.)
(Nah, we're talking CBS here..."It was the JOCK'S fault. ____________ was overpaid, anyway." (Fill in the Tempie/Bret/Lynn/Charlie/Beno/Tim/Larry/Rick/Trevor/Doyle HERE.)
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AndyWaldrop
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This 'ol boy's favorite Nancy Wilson song is "How Glad I Am." I believe I have it on a Capitol 45 around here somewhere. It was a Grammy Award Winning R&B record for her in '64. Yeah...I know, I'm an old fart!
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rbrucecarter5
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salemjedi54 said:
I wouldn't say it is the format itself - I admit that I just don't care, it is another in a long list of formats I find personally irritating, but hey - if there is a market, somebody submit a business plan to a group of investors and go for it.
I must admit, too, that there is a bit of hostility on my part, but it is not directed at you. I have been through a bit with anti-CCM, anti-Christian rock types that are trying to foist southern gospel or some other flavor of gospel as the only acceptable Christian music. Now THAT is irritating! Because it may enrich somebody's spiritual life but not mine. BOR-RING! And those anti-Christian rock anti-CCM types once burst into the station where I was on the air - brandishing a weapon and going on a profanity-ridden tirade against Christian rock, for the AV-1611 Bible, and a number of other topics (all to no avail because my DJ had the foresight to click into automation - but still - it warrented a call to the police who arrived after the nut left.
You are not the nut who broke in, and I am trying very hard not to let that taint my attitude towards your format. But all preconceptions aside - I am not interested and won't be listening. I hope the format gets on the air and succeeds if there is an audience. Somehow - I don't think there is that big of a demand or it would be on something else than a daytime AM. But a lot of niche formats are relegated to daytime AM - like I say if you can convince investors - maybe it will succeed.
I do object to the way 102.5 is being jammed to produce a backhanded way to add an FM station here. If DE is right, most all AM listening is in the daytime - what does 1040 need nighttime FM for anyway if nobody listens to radio at night. As long as we are in fantasy land - why not have 1040 put HD on their translator / back door FM station and put more black gospel on HD-2. Hey - crank up the power 10 dB on the HD sidebands and see how KDGE and KDMX like it!
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