MOViN 939

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

I agree kyscott. Dees is still very viable for the format. He was #1 when he was at Kiss. He also has the #1 countdown show in Top 40. He has the name, he has the image.

What Emmis needs to realize is..the music is killing that station!

I apologize David if I mis-marked the figure. However, they could take money away from KIIS. Problem ive said again and again, Clear Channel is EXTREMELY vulnerable right now. They wouldnt know where there head was if they lost it.

Remember this, THEY SUED THE BANK. One thing ive learned in life, NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS, because the bite back is harder.

Dees does not have the #1 countdown show. His show was dropped or downgraded by most every Clear Channel station that was airing it after he was fired. He has a very poor lineup of stations today and is MIA in many cities.

Get a clue! Nobody cares to listen to Dees anymore. Emmis spent millions on tv and rbillboards, got some sampling and nobody stuck around to listen to him. He's too stuck in his ways and still trying to rehash the same bits he did in the 80's. That doesn't work today and never will again. What is most pathetic is even his (so-called) co-hosts don't get his bits. Sad to listen to.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

The best thing would be to get Michael Baisden and probably pick up the KRBV format. It probably wouldn't get more then a 1.4-1.5, and yeah, there would be that whole "black AC" argument like we had in a thread recently, but they'd get rid of Rick Dees and save a ton of money(Cliff Winston and Diana Steele would be a hell of a lot cheaper.)

I can't imagine any advertiser wanting even a bonus with KMVN the way it is right now, at least KRBV got a few spots.

Dream on. Los Angeles will never see a new Mt. Wilson stick with a black format. NEVER.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

I agree kyscott. Dees is still very viable for the format. He was #1 when he was at Kiss.

In the last few years, he was not only not #1 but he was not even top 5 in 18-34.

He also has the #1 countdown show in Top 40.

Nobody in LA cares if a show host has a show in syndication. He was not getting numbers in his core demo and had not been for quite a few years. Please read my post that shows the last Dees book against the recent Fall 2007 Seacrest book. Seacrest is in demo, has lifted the station as a whole and has double the numbers Dees had in 18-34.

He has the name, he has the image.

"Had" is the keyword her. He would have been great three years ago for KRTH; I even think that window is closed now.

Remember this, THEY SUED THE BANK. One thing ive learned in life, NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS, because the bite back is harder.

No, they have sued the banks that were lending funds to the investment bankers who are / are trying to buy them. They are suing to force compliance with a deal. Normal.

Most banks have been de-fanged and de-clawed in the last 10 months. They neither bite nor do they scratch.

Charlie Tuna will eventually be the morning guy at K-Earth. He'll work for scale as he has most his life. Thet is the key to success in radio today.

Dees will never work for CBS especially after what he asked for at K-Earth. His career in radio is about to come to an end.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Welcome Back Glenn.

No hate here. Agree or disagree (and I for one usually agree), I think you bring solid takes to the board and generally make it a better place. Stick around, just try not to bite too many heads.

 

[Bianco500]

The best thing would be to get Michael Baisden and probably pick up the KRBV format. It probably wouldn't get more then a 1.4-1.5, and yeah, there would be that whole "black AC" argument like we had in a thread recently, but they'd get rid of Rick Dees and save a ton of money(Cliff Winston and Diana Steele would be a hell of a lot cheaper.)

I can't imagine any advertiser wanting even a bonus with KMVN the way it is right now, at least KRBV got a few spots.

Dream on. Los Angeles will never see a new Mt. Wilson stick with a black format. NEVER.

Oh really? Then explain your "Hip Hop Rumor" for 92.3 and how KMEL people might be involved. What do you think KMEL is, Latino?

 

[kyscott]

Get a clue! Nobody cares to listen to Dees anymore. Emmis spent millions on tv and rbillboards, got some sampling and nobody stuck around to listen to him. He's too stuck in his ways and still trying to rehash the same bits he did in the 80's. That doesn't work today and never will again. What is most pathetic is even his (so-called) co-hosts don't get his bits. Sad to listen to.

Dude, what's your problem with Dees? The more you post about him, the more it sounds like sour grapes on your part. What happened, did he refuse to give you an autograph or something? Get turned down for a job at KIIS?

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

The best thing would be to get Michael Baisden and probably pick up the KRBV format. It probably wouldn't get more then a 1.4-1.5, and yeah, there would be that whole "black AC" argument like we had in a thread recently, but they'd get rid of Rick Dees and save a ton of money(Cliff Winston and Diana Steele would be a hell of a lot cheaper.)

I can't imagine any advertiser wanting even a bonus with KMVN the way it is right now, at least KRBV got a few spots.

Dream on. Los Angeles will never see a new Mt. Wilson stick with a black format. NEVER.

Oh really? Then explain your "Hip Hop Rumor" for 92.3 and how KMEL people might be involved. What do you think KMEL is, Latino?

KMEL? Go back and read my post. It's on the history of KKBT.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

Get a clue! Nobody cares to listen to Dees anymore. Emmis spent millions on tv and rbillboards, got some sampling and nobody stuck around to listen to him. He's too stuck in his ways and still trying to rehash the same bits he did in the 80's. That doesn't work today and never will again. What is most pathetic is even his (so-called) co-hosts don't get his bits. Sad to listen to.

Dude, what's your problem with Dees? The more you post about him, the more it sounds like sour grapes on your part. What happened, did he refuse to give you an autograph or something? Get turned down for a job at KIIS?

What is silly is how many aren't posting facts about Dees. Fact is, he has no ratings to justify his huge contract. He's been on for more than 1 1/2 years with no growth yet was heavily promoted (more so than anyone in Los Angeles in the 21st Century). The music was quite like the KIIS Dees left at the beginning of Movin. He was bringing KIIS down before he was fired.

Now instead of attacking me, just post some correct facts on him. Dees was ONCE great. Now he is unlistenable. He's too old (especially showing it with a staff that isn't major market ready) and too set in his ways to be salvaged. He missed his opportunity by asking for too much from K-Earth. He'd likely be a real factor in this market if he had taken that job. Reality is, no one will ever take a chance on him again. That's Dees own fault.

 

[kentuckymedia]

Okay, so say Emmis does do a morning/format swap.

First of all, Clear Channel:

However David, I do want to point out..talk to almost 95% of the radio industry and when Clear Channel sued the banks, everyone just shook their head. It was the stupidest move on their behalf. YOU DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU. That has been philosophy for years...I mean years, why would it change for a man in San Antonio that makes 35 million a year? I dont care who they think they are, but once Bain takes over (if it even happens) CC is going to be hurting even more. Bain is an investment firm, they want to go in..suck the money out and sell it off again. There is no longevity there! If CC is stuck with the stations, they have to pay dividends and cry to their investors once again..so either way they will not always be the world dominating power they once were...thats a fact that were gonna have to deal with

Second, MoVin:

Emmis made a tactical move. They researched the market, but the problem was the format itself has proven to be relatively faulty. One thing about Emmis, they invest..they spend and they care! Ask many CC employees the last time that one of the Mays boys came out to take them for a steak dinner because they went up 2 shares! Your not going to get an answer. When I consulted for Emmis, Jeff would take us out for dinner at ratings time..because he understood loyalty and value. That is important to the company!

The station is faulty. The morning show is still viable. Dees was not #1 18-34, but break out the White 18-49 subset with Women. He will do much better than you had posted him at in 2002. Seacrest is good, im not saying that he's not. However if you put Dees back on Top 40 with A STRONG co-host and re-branded the morning show, you could do well. He is STILL viable!

Turn 93.9 into an Adult CHR music station.

MIX 93.9 - LA'S BEST MIX

6AM-10AM: Rick Dees and Lisa Thomas (Mix Dallas) THE MORNING MIX with RICK AND LISA
10AM-3PM: Kerrie Mondy (KYKY Saint Louis) and
3PM-7PM: JoJo on the radio (KIIS). Its gonna cost money, but Emmis could do it
7PM-12PM: Lucas (KDWB Minneapolis)

 

[ocer]

Maybe I missed it. Just out of curosity how much did Dees ask for?

 

[kyscott]

Get a clue! Nobody cares to listen to Dees anymore. Emmis spent millions on tv and rbillboards, got some sampling and nobody stuck around to listen to him. He's too stuck in his ways and still trying to rehash the same bits he did in the 80's. That doesn't work today and never will again. What is most pathetic is even his (so-called) co-hosts don't get his bits. Sad to listen to.

Dude, what's your problem with Dees? The more you post about him, the more it sounds like sour grapes on your part. What happened, did he refuse to give you an autograph or something? Get turned down for a job at KIIS?

What is silly is how many aren't posting facts about Dees. Fact is, he has no ratings to justify his huge contract. He's been on for more than 1 1/2 years with no growth yet was heavily promoted (more so than anyone in Los Angeles in the 21st Century). The music was quite like the KIIS Dees left at the beginning of Movin. He was bringing KIIS down before he was fired.

Now instead of attacking me, just post some correct facts on him. Dees was ONCE great. Now he is unlistenable. He's too old (especially showing it with a staff that isn't major market ready) and too set in his ways to be salvaged. He missed his opportunity by asking for too much from K-Earth. He'd likely be a real factor in this market if he had taken that job. Reality is, no one will ever take a chance on him again. That's Dees own fault.

I have never disputed your "facts". I just want to know why you seem to love to attack Dees the same way you are accusing others of attacking you. What gives? Were you up for a job or something at Movin? Did you get fired from KIIS? And how can you hold him responsible for a staff he didn't hire?

I just think it's interesting that in every message you have posted so far, you have found a way to slam Rick. Most everyone else in here disagrees with your "assessments". Dees in the morning isn't working because of the music that the Movin consultants are making them play. Simple as that. Put him in a CHR format, the same format he dominated for 20 years, and the listeners will come. Secrest is getting his numbers by default because he's still using Dees' show over there. Same music, same staff, same bits. The only reason they got rid of him is because Dees was making too much money. And if you haven't noticed, but Clear Channel is bleeding money. They have been getting rid of personal in all the markets like that.

So again, what's your beef with Dees?

 

[davideduardo]

I just think it's interesting that in every message you have posted so far, you have found a way to slam Rick. Most everyone else in here disagrees with your "assessments". Dees in the morning isn't working because of the music that the Movin consultants are making them play.

Minor point... the audience, not the consultants, picks the music.

As to Dees, the ratings show clearly that he was perorming at half the level Seacrest is now at, and Seacrest's listeners are in the same demo as the station is targeted to... Dees had lost most of the 18-34's and his show was more 35+ on a station that wanted 18-34 women.

Simply, it was time for KIIS to find a better fit for the target, and they did... magnificently. Dees no longer fit a CHR profile, and should have gone to KRTH where he would have had a great opportunity to reunite with his consituents who are now more in the KRTH demos than the KIIS ones. He chose not to do that, and that's his decision and should be respected.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

There is a show called american idol and that helps ryan with numbers on t he radio show. People will tune him in to get some of the skinny on american idol. Not saying ryan can't get good numbers alone but his american idol job plays a role.

 

[davideduardo]

There is a show called american idol and that helps ryan with numbers on t he radio show. People will tune him in to get some of the skinny on american idol. Not saying ryan can't get good numbers alone but his american idol job plays a role.

Starpower helps a lot, of course. But remember, Seacrest was on Star in PM Drive getting huge numbers way before he moved to KIIS and mornings. He's a great match for the KIIS demo without the Idol connection, which just adds more to his on-air value.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

There is a show called american idol and that helps ryan with numbers on t he radio show. People will tune him in to get some of the skinny on american idol. Not saying ryan can't get good numbers alone but his american idol job plays a role.

Starpower helps a lot, of course. But remember, Seacrest was on Star in PM Drive getting huge numbers way before he moved to KIIS and mornings. He's a great match for the KIIS demo without the Idol connection, which just adds more to his on-air value.

Totally FALSE. Seacrest never got "huge" numbers in PM drive at Star, in-demo or 12+.

 

[davideduardo]

Starpower helps a lot, of course. But remember, Seacrest was on Star in PM Drive getting huge numbers way before he moved to KIIS and mornings. He's a great match for the KIIS demo without the Idol connection, which just adds more to his on-air value.

Totally FALSE. Seacrest never got "huge" numbers in PM drive at Star, in-demo or 12+.

Glenn, old chap,

Check the 25-44 female numbers in PM drive again. They were quite significant and anywhere from 3rd to 6th in demo for all of 2002, as an example.

2002 F 25-44 3-7 PM 4 book average KOST 5.1 KIIS 4.6, KYSR 4.5 (excluding KLVE and KSCA which are in Spanish).

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

Starpower helps a lot, of course. But remember, Seacrest was on Star in PM Drive getting huge numbers way before he moved to KIIS and mornings. He's a great match for the KIIS demo without the Idol connection, which just adds more to his on-air value.

Totally FALSE. Seacrest never got "huge" numbers in PM drive at Star, in-demo or 12+.

Glenn, old chap,

Check the 25-44 female numbers in PM drive again. They were quite significant and anywhere from 3rd to 6th in demo for all of 2002, as an example.

2002 F 25-44 3-7 PM 4 book average KOST 5.1 KIIS 4.6, KYSR 4.5 (excluding KLVE and KSCA which are in Spanish).

Being 6th in a very narrow demo that Star was after is not "huge" (in numbers). He never dominated any demo at Star. His numbers at KIIS are certainly much better than anything he did at Star.

Don't refer to his numbers at Star as huge (I see you've already changed your wording to "significant") as they were not. They certainly were not anything that would instantly qualify one to be upgraded from the afternoon jock on a somewhat successful L.A. radio station to one of the top - if not the top - morning show gigs in America. Of course, his numbers are not what got him the gig.

 

[davideduardo]

Don't refer to his numbers at Star as huge (I see you've already changed your wording to "significant") as they were not. They certainly were not anything that would instantly qualify one to be upgraded from the afternoon jock on a somewhat successful L.A. radio station to one of the top - if not the top - morning show gigs in America. Of course, his numbers are not what got him the gig.

Females 25-44 is a huge sales demo, maybe the largest of all. That is why KYSR was in the top couple of stations in billings in the era when Seacrest was on mornings...

And KYSR had very efficient female 25-44 delivery with little spillage... and the numbers were huge as they were in the top 3 for non-Spanish language stations in the demo.

 

[kentuckymedia]

Seacrest is a good jock. But David, Clear Channel and KIIS are extremely vulnerable. You could pass gas in their conference room and someone would probably fall over because none of them have backbones.

If Emmis wanted to go in and do Adult CHR, the station would be phenominal, and KIIS would suffer! Thats a fact~

 

[davideduardo]

Seacrest is a good jock. But David, Clear Channel and KIIS are extremely vulnerable.

I would not call Seacrest a "jock" but a talent or personality. He is so perfectly matched with the KIIS target as to be one of the best matches in the market.

And Clear, while having troubles in the privatization arena, is a cash machine. KIIS is the second highest billing station in the USA, and they will defende the strong position they have built for it.

If Emmis wanted to go in and do Adult CHR, the station would be phenominal, and KIIS would suffer! Thats a fact~

KIIS is, like 99% of US CHR's. an adult CHR already. If anyone goes at it directly, all that will happen is that KIIS loses maybe a share 12+ and the challenger barely gets a 1 share. There are no more CHR shares in LA than what is presently showing... because the bulk of the English speaking target is on KXOL and KPWR. And in 18-34, the market is over 55% Hispanic.