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MUSIC on AM Radio:

I just ran across this today, and boy...did it wake up some memories!

http://thomasjwells.podomatic.com/

It's Tom Wells's unusual podcast, consisting of off-air recordings from an AM receiver, tuned to his Part 15 AM transmitter, playing his record collection from a home automation system. He's running a little reverb, and includes a little background noise.

Lots of B-sides and other obscure music, but he's approximated the sound of a wideband AM radio tuned to a music station in the '60s.
 
Paul_Warren said:
I just ran across this today, and boy...did it wake up some memories!

http://thomasjwells.podomatic.com/

It's Tom Wells's unusual podcast, consisting of off-air recordings from an AM receiver, tuned to his Part 15 AM transmitter, playing his record collection from a home automation system. He's running a little reverb, and includes a little background noise.

Lots of B-sides and other obscure music, but he's approximated the sound of a wideband AM radio tuned to a music station in the '60s.

And I've made some improvements since the last posting that have helped microphone balance......
I'll try to get a newer post up tonight/tomorrow.
I'm using a simple germanium diode detector these days, as pure as can be.
My goal is to have everything I listen to at home sound like the best days of WCFL and WLS,
where the reverb was "just so" and never intruded.

You oughta hear it on the hi-fi dual triode (6A3s) push pull output 1936 Philco 116Xs!
 
With no malice intended.

Objectively speaking, this whole AM issue (and the issue of radio in general) boils down to "who's listening, who's available, who wants to listen and who really cares." Listeners seek AM stations such as WGR, WHAM, WFAN, WABC and WBEN because there's an attractive product/commodity being sold at those 'stores.' KB, WROC and other stores on AM Boulevard? Not so much. Seems when it comes to AM, we're historians and keepers of the flame. Consumers care primarily about the product. "Where can I get what I want?" In 1970, the answer could be found on AM. Today the answer to that question mostly leads to FM, the Internet or personal entertainment devices, smart phones and ipads. As Thomas Dolby proclaimed, "Science!"
 
Tom Wells said:
This was 24 Jan during a mic adjustment test.
http://thomasjwells.podomatic.com/entry/2012-02-17T01_29_29-08_00
Not happy with mike yet.

The audio board pictured on Tom's site will look very familiar to anyone who worked at WAXC/Rochester in the beginning or anyone who had anything to do with Ithaca College's radio station (WICB) in the early 60s.

My younger brother, Steve, while still a high school student, inherited the WAXC board and was in the process of refurbishing it before his passing in 1974 at 19.

Not sure whatever happened to it after that.
 
Don't I wish I'll stumble upon a basket-case BC 6 or BC 5 one day. :)

There are other consoles, but these were as good as it could get and they can be kept running forever.

Episode 36 uploaded. http://thomasjwells.podomatic.com/entry/2012-02-17T11_42_38-08_00

This one isn't quite as hot on the high end.
No microphone use on this one from Feb 15
..
I hear a little grunge of the switch mode power supply of the laptop mixing into the audio, next recording will be battery
power on the laptop.

I think this ep #36 may have been left at 192k.

Pretty sure episode 35 got chopped down to 96k as I'd uploaded it as 256k.
 
Sherlock said, "The audio board pictured on Tom's site will look very familiar to anyone who worked at WAXC/Rochester in the beginning or anyone who had anything to do with Ithaca College's radio station (WICB) in the early 60s."

And reminiscent of (though not identical to) the old WKBW news production board, which previously had been KB's main air board before KB became a combo operation, at the old 1430 Main St. location. That KB board was a 1950 vintage tube-type RCA which still put out some nice full-sounding production work.

"My younger brother, Steve, while still a high school student, inherited the WAXC board and was in the process of refurbishing it before his passing in 1974 at 19.

Not sure whatever happened to it after that"

Sorry to hear about Steve's loss, Larry,
 
Loved the big pots

Yuppers Mike!! There's a few "not yet ready for posting" liners with this. :D
Suffice to say, sliders took some "feel" out if it!!

Levity folks, levity!!! LOL
 
Reading about Gates and RCA-BC-6B and BC3 boards (in the MCRs at KB 1430 Main Street and WMMJ Lancaster; and WEBR at 23 North Street) is like getting into Peabody's Wayback Machine. The BC-5 was often seen in production rooms and control rooms at smaller AM radio stations. Then came the spiffy RCA BC-7A, which for many years could be found in the control room of WWOL at the Lafayette Hotel and IIRC, WBFO.

The RCA boards had those solid Bakelite pots that your hand could easily and confidently grasp; red, green, black, white, color-coded to turntables, mics and cart machines, plus a Master pot on the far right side of the board. (Who puts a Master where a jock could rock it!?) Many RCA BC-3's or 6's had black and/or maroon pots for those who could run a board by touch. T

The earlier Gates boards also had Bakelite multi-colored pots, although larger and having a more modern design, the Gates pots could be "spun up" quite nicely. When discussing Gates boards, a distinction should be made between the Dualux and the Dualux II, which had the larger, free moving pots. The Gatesway II was a sweet board, for many years it was the workhorse in the MCR as WUSJ/WLVL Lockport, which before that time, was a straightaway GE operation form board to transmitter. 1400 WYSL Buffalo had a particularly rugged Gates President TV audio board in the control room for many years. IT may have been a custom made President having two more pots than the one pictured.

Those boards often took a pounding from jocks who were rough on switches and pots, but I can't remember any Gates board that I used breaking down under normal use (abuse.) About the worst I can remember is the cue detent on the pots in the Gates Yard or Stereo Yard wearing out, so bring the pot all the way down often revealed an LP or 45 in cue when the mic was turned off. After Harris bought Gates, their boards just didn't seem to have the same feel or performance of the older boards. Autogram made a particularly robust rotary pot board. It was often re-badged and seen in Collins facilities such as WADD. (Again, another reference to the Brockport flamethrower whose signal reached more fish than people.)

The first slide pot boards of note were from the Ward-Beck or McCurdy catalogs. WBEN was partial to Ward-Beck. WGR bought into the McCurdy line. The McCurdy's were built like tanks and loaded with relays. Kind of funny how more can be done today with a stock Berringer or Mackie 1402 lined into Cool Edit/Adobe, ProTools or Audacity. Still, these modern accoutrements don't have the mystique of the warhorses of times past. Was a time.
 
When I went to WEIR/Weirton WV (30 miles west of Pittsburgh) in 1986, the master board was a 1963 Gates President console.

Interesting, hearing it called "particularly rugged". My experience was much different...about a year after I started there...the program module started cutting out with no warning. In fact it seemed to love cutting out between 7 and 7:30 AM, right in the middle of some great bit. You'd get to the payoff and than all of a sudden...the listeners heard unmodulated carrier.

When the module cut out, the remedy was to pull the meters off the top ridge, move them out of the way, then pull the front of the board down, slide the module out of its slot and reseat it. Then reassemble and proceed with whatever it was you were doing when the audio cut off.

It got to where I could reseat the module in under 15 seconds. But obviously, still plenty of time for listeners to find another station.

Need I explain how that Spring's book turned out?

You've probably surmised by now that the station only employed part-time contract engineers, and you'd be correct. I don't recall that it was ever permanently repaired, besides the board was the least of the engineering issues. Not when the tower pattern was mysteriously tuned to come in clearly in Cambridge, OH...40 miles away, but couldn't be heard in parts of the COL.

Eventually a new Arrakis board showed up to replace the Gates President, much to our collective relief. And a few months later I was off to Wheeling, WV and working for WGR alumnus Larry Anderson. And having a full-time engineer.

Guess that President was the equivalent of a Mercedes that never had its oil changed.
 
Reading this thread, it struck me that the names Parker Gates chose, such as "President", "Diplomat", "(Solid) Statesman", are reminiscent of a time when we had more general respect for elected Federal officials. As the quality of government (and respectability of candidates for office) have declined, so have the ruggedness and endurance of audio consoles.
 
Play Freebird said:
Reading this thread, it struck me that the names Parker Gates chose, such as "President", "Diplomat", "(Solid) Statesman", are reminiscent of a time when we had more general respect for elected Federal officials. As the quality of government (and respectability of candidates for office) have declined, so have the ruggedness and endurance of audio consoles.

To me such names seem almost like cold war-Soviet generic bland-isms. I always hated the Dodge Doplomat name.

If some fire-burned hopeless BC 5 ever turns up, remember me.

When distortion is "eliminated", it is time to be careful, as some kinds of distortion can make the reproduction more natural
and true sounding, especially at lower listening levels. "Loudness" and audio processing are distortion, for example,
but we embrace them.

So now I'm dealing with a loss of distortion and I miss it.

The device I've been using as the switchgear/variable hiss cut DNR died a few days ago.
I may luck out with only a solder reflow on a voltage regulator, but in the mean time, there's one less
thing in the path to muddy things up. It's early 80's op-amps, but maybe I've come to love their particular
smearing of the sound in order to enjoy the delight of the DNR action on so many sources.
Heres a CD length check which it turns out is 128k and I guess I'm satisfied with the sound,
but it's a wee oversharp to seem like AM.
http://thomasjwells.podomatic.com/entry/2012-02-23T16_55_48-08_00
 
Sounds like a dirty/oxidized edge connector on that President program amp. You can hardly blame the equipment if it's not being maintained. I'd bet a couple squirts of Blue Shower and your chronic problem would have gone away. If I were on the air and doing a funny morning-show bit in which timing is critical, I would vastly prefer reliance on that Gates console than anything from Arrakis.

I remember a Gates Dualux in the WYSL control room in the Statler Hilton. In the FM studio, the volunteer high school jocks made do with an ancient military-brown Collins board. They enjoyed 1952-vintage Gates transcription tables which were only two-speed (78/33) with the access holes, so you could drop a little brass sleeve over the motor capstan to convert the 33 position to 45. They also had the record-eating Gray 108SP tonearms, the ones with the sliding weights calibrated in "ounces," not "grams." Ouch!!

The Gates console names long predated the cold war. All were used on popular-selling cars from Detroit as in, the Studebaker President and the Nash Statesman. Stoody, inexplicably, also had a luxury model in the 1930s called The Dictator, in the era of Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. Glad their marketing research department didn't have anything to do with design of the actual cars.
 
Blue Shower. The Duck Tape of control rooms and tech benches. Good stuff, RCS. I too would take a Gates Diplomat over an Arrakis. That WYSL-FM set-up you recalled could have been the WYSL Buffalo production room. I recall the teen dj studio being Spartan but workable, just outside the firewall door of the 18th floor Statler studios and offices of McLendon's Buffalo stations. (This is where Ken Kiedrowski steps in to verify.)

The board in the teen dj (later to become Progressive Rock) studio was a Gates Studioette. It was accompanied by two Gates 16" 3 speed gearbox turntables with ballpoint pen on-off switches and spring loaded pop-up center pucks for 45s. The turntables had viscous damped Gray tonearms armed with rudimentary Shure cartridges/styli. Surpriseingly, although the 45s were hand-me-down promo copies from the AM, most were not q-burned. Two rack mounted ATC cart decks were to the right, just behind the right TT... and yes, numerous grey FideliPac cartridges with rattling tension bars, worn pads and gummy white cart labels. Amazing what a wide eyed radio geek kid remembers.

That same Studioette turned up years later as the WYSL Buffalo newsroom board at 425 Franklin street. Took a lickin' and kept on tickin'... and one of those old ATC cart decks from the Statler site was in the bottom of the newsroom rack, dedicated to running the news teletype sfx cart under the voices of George Redpath, Kevin Gordon, LB Smith, Ray Marks and many others. Good times.
 
My visit to WYSL AM-FM was some time in the winter of 1967, possibly early '68, when Wayne Fuller and I sojourned to Buffalo on a boring Saturday night. We took turns calling Tim Kelly from a phone booth in the Statler lobby, over and over, and amazingly got through on the request line, so he gave permission for an elevator operator to bring us up for a visit. That was when I saw the AM with Dualux (the two VU meters never budged off the pin for the entire time we were there, BTW), Gates CB-100 transcription tables/Gray viscous record-eater arms with VRII cartridges and four ATC Criterion cart machines to the jock's left, rack-mounted. The FM studio appeared to be either temporary or makeshift. IIR, there were either one or two old military-gray Collins first-generation cart deck(s) and the old rowboat-oarlock handled Gates turntables (row backwards for 78, forwards for 33/45) plus the Collins board with the vertical A/P switches. All mono, of course. I didn't see a Studioette on this visit (which we would have remarked because the Studioette was the control room board then at Wayne's home-base station WBTA.)

We rounded out the road trip with visit to the Bangladesh of Top-40 radio, WNIA Cheektowaga, with its RCA gear that made KB look state-of-the-art and quacking intercom wall-box house monitors blaring in every room.
 
Just Past Buffalo's description of the WYSL-FM Teen Disk Jockey Studios was exactly right. Those studios were the reception area of WYSL
in its previous existence as a Beautiful Music station featuring music blocks titled Carousel and Candlelight and Gold to name two of them.
That studio was also the home of Jack Danahy's Talk of Buffalo ( weekend version). It was the studio where I did my first air shift on 103.3 before being named as a co program director. I was sitting in on Danahy watching him do his talk show.....only expecting to watch him in action......when Jack announced that Ken Kiedrowski would be taking over as host right after this commercial word........Danahy started the cart with the commercial......got out of his seat......headed toward the studio's glass door and said to me........You only have 50 seconds to get behind the mike.......and he walked out.................

I hope that someone in the thread gave WYSL-FM 103.3 the proper credit for being Buffalo's first FM rocker..........
 
Didn't that nut job Larry Vance also do a talk show on WYSL? And I remember the teen DJ studio having a really really old 44BX mic..on a desk stand. That same mic was used at CKFH in Toronto when I was there..it was awesome..finally talked them into selling me one of them for 50 dollars back in the very early 70s, and I carted that mic around with me thru Ithaca College, and then to Binghamton, and Syracuse.

Question. In this post was mention of a certain LB Smith doing news? Any clue if he went to a boys school in the Falls called DeVeaux? If it was him..we were pals. Never heard from him again..what might have happened to him?

The Statler Hilton studios were cool..as we're the original mezzanine studios of the wonderful WJJL in the Hotel Niagara. very classy..nothing like that anymore huh?
 
Jeff Laurence said:
Question. In this post was mention of a certain LB Smith doing news? Any clue if he went to a boys school in the Falls called DeVeaux? If it was him..we were pals. Never heard from him again..what might have happened to him?

I may have won the Mediaboy American Tourister luggage for correctly remembering the layout of WYSL-FM teen dj studio, but I'll have to give it back because I totally flubbed the name of LB "Smith." It should have been LB Lyon, a classy reporter-anchor who also worked in news at WWOL AM/FM. I think you're right, RCS. WBEN may have preceded WYSL in the Statler. BTW, I first met Tim Kelly, when he was recording "Instant Request Line" callers for Dickie "Wild Child" Kemp in the small raised room facing the WYSL AM studio-control room. Tim was up to his neck recording and editing 13 year old requests for Kemp. Later, after a stint on the FM, Kelly would become the WYSL night guy. Now he's a gazilionaire radio mogul.
 
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