Musical improvement at The Bone

[ElCheapo]

Hey El Cheapo. Let's get to the point. Let's take your argument of hit music. I'll give that to you. But in the classic rock world don't you think there is more hits than 400. In the 40 years they play from there is only 400 songs the Bone can play!?!?!?!?!?!? Again there is NO REASON if you are playing even HIT MUSIC from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME CLASSIC SONG TWICE IN ONE DAY!!!!!!
Even the most Hit fan would know more than the SAME 400 songs they have been playing for the past 3 years

I can't disagree with that. I think more variety would be a good thing, and I'm sure most classic rockers could have bigger playlists of songs that were hits - I just don't want to hear really obscure stuff.

 

[klifhanger]

BILLBOARD CHARTS,,CASHBOX CHARTS those two things is what you should use as a focal point ,plus listener input( Notice I didn't say research group stuffed with Pizza and coke),and visiting music venues.
Classic rock had plenty of good songs when they were new.If you hear songs that are repeated a lot,well shucks of course a research group listner is going to mention it. The groups pretty much provoke a predicted response in many ways,whether they chose to admit it or not. You go to the outlets that sell the music,the venues where it is being played,and what you see on past charts that were hits,plus the phones!! You take all the elements and then mix it down to your playlist,plus use your gut instincts to add a few more. Thats how you program. 150 people in one research group is not the same as 150 people the next day or next week.. Break the habit,get to the basics plus be more daring and successful,not an assembly line corp clone.

 

[Rolling]

Let's face it, Bennet totally ruined that station with his stupid programming decisions.

 

[charles123]

You got that right, he's an idiot for keeping the Bone on the air and bringing 2 idiots out of Houston that jacks their traps for 5 hrs. everyday. Time for a change!!

 

[TheRover]

I think more variety would be a good thing, and I'm sure most classic rockers could have bigger playlists of songs that were hits - I just don't want to hear really obscure stuff.

I don't anyone here is asking for "really obscure stuff" El Cheapo".

I am not asking for obscure stuff..... that eclectic desire for obscure stuff is best delivered on a show hosted by Bob Dylan, or others doing that....

I do not, however have a "Top 40" mindset when it comes to Rock music. The "most commercial" rock music, is, to me in essence "Top 40". I beleive that a rock station whould decide to go after the "Top 40" mindset, or to go after those that want good solid rock, that is --not-- of the "Top 40" mindset. And, this does not mean --obscure--.

"Lazy" by Deep Purple is not obscure. It's an excellent rock track. It's just not on the hit list, with "Hush" and "Kentucky Woman". I think their should be hit radio. And I think think their should be radio that caters to those that love music first, more than their beer and their billards. You really don't have to be that "deep" to appreciate how a song like "Lazy" is Rock, and "Hush" is "Pop-Rock".

There's more folks that just want to listen to pop-rock, than those of us that want more substance in our rock. I say that pop-rockers are over-served in this market. And those of us that want substance in out rock, are not served at all. The cultural wasteland..... All Boston.... All The Time.

No one is asking for really obscure tracks..... just really good tracks.
It's not Rocket Science to select really great rock music.

 

[grantchester]

Oh, Mr. Rover, I am... I want to hear now-obscure stuff like 'Hot Smoke and Sasafras' by Bubblepuppy. I want to hear 'The Bad Boy' and 'Slow Down' by Larry Williams. Bertha by the Grateful Dead (hell, anything but Trucking!) In Memory of Elizabeth Reed by Allmon Bros. or Blue Collar by BTO.
More than that, I long to hear those songs and artists that fit the 'progressive rock' format, that don't quite fit the 'album rock' aesthetic. How about some Shawn Phillips? Commander Cody and NRPS? Marc-Almond? Mason-Proffitt's 'Two Hangmen'?
Maybe some Elton John from Tumbleweed Connection? I could go on and on.
The point is, there were acts that could fill the stadia back in the day, and songs that jumped out of the speakers, that are never ever heard anymore. Ever hear Martian Boogie by Brownsville Station? Coliseum Rock by Starz? The first Spirit album? Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green? Or, for that matter, Fleetwood Mac with Bob Welch? Moody Blues?
Benny Goodman's Sing Sing Sing?... ok, maybe I've gone around the bend, but you get the gist...
g

 

[TheLaffer]

I think more variety would be a good thing, and I'm sure most classic rockers could have bigger playlists of songs that were hits - I just don't want to hear really obscure stuff.

I don't anyone here is asking for "really obscure stuff" El Cheapo".

I am not asking for obscure stuff..... that eclectic desire for obscure stuff is best delivered on a show hosted by Bob Dylan, or others doing that....

I do not, however have a "Top 40" mindset when it comes to Rock music. The "most commercial" rock music, is, to me in essence "Top 40". I beleive that a rock station whould decide to go after the "Top 40" mindset, or to go after those that want good solid rock, that is --not-- of the "Top 40" mindset. And, this does not mean --obscure--.

"Lazy" by Deep Purple is not obscure. It's an excellent rock track. It's just not on the hit list, with "Hush" and "Kentucky Woman". I think their should be hit radio. And I think think their should be radio that caters to those that love music first, more than their beer and their billards. You really don't have to be that "deep" to appreciate how a song like "Lazy" is Rock, and "Hush" is "Pop-Rock".

There's more folks that just want to listen to pop-rock, than those of us that want more substance in our rock. I say that pop-rockers are over-served in this market. And those of us that want substance in out rock, are not served at all. The cultural wasteland..... All Boston.... All The Time.

No one is asking for really obscure tracks..... just really good tracks.
It's not Rocket Science to select really great rock music.

Aah yes i remember the true aor's with huge ratings playing:

ZZ TOP/Tush, LaGrange
Deep Purple/Lazy, Space Truckin, smoke on the
Trapeze
Black Sabbath/War Pigs. Paranoid
Rolling Stones/Smpathy for the devil, You can't always get what you want, Gimmie shelter, Wild horses
Doobies/Another park another sunday
Grand Funk/Closer to home (long V)
The Who/Won't get fooled again/Long V
Yes/Roundabout Long V
Iron Butterfly/In A Gadda Da Vida
Judas Priest
Led Zepplin/Stairway/Kashmire
Deric/Dominos Layla
Golden Earring/Radar love Long V
Doors/Riders in the storm
Moody Blues/Tues afternoon, i'm just a singer...
Heart/Magic man, dreamboat annie,

 

[jd]

Aah yes i remember the true aor's with huge ratings playing:

ZZ TOP/Tush, LaGrange
Deep Purple/Lazy, Space Truckin, smoke on the
Trapeze
Black Sabbath/War Pigs. Paranoid
Rolling Stones/Smpathy for the devil, You can't always get what you want, Gimmie shelter, Wild horses
Doobies/Another park another sunday
Grand Funk/Closer to home (long V)
The Who/Won't get fooled again/Long V
Yes/Roundabout Long V
Iron Butterfly/In A Gadda Da Vida
Judas Priest
Led Zepplin/Stairway/Kashmire
Deric/Dominos Layla
Golden Earring/Radar love Long V
Doors/Riders in the storm
Moody Blues/Tues afternoon, i'm just a singer...
Heart/Magic man, dreamboat annie,

Then again, true AOR stations like KZEW and KTXQ (nee KFWD) also played songs like Gino Vanelli's "I Just Want To Stop," "Poetry Man" by Phoebe Snow, and Maria Muldaur's "Midnight At the Oasis," all soft AC staples. You could also hear Blondie, The Motels, The Knack and, on occasion, Frank Zappa. In the early years of AOR in Dallas one might also hear things from Willie's "Red Headed Stranger" LP, Delbert McClinton, Rusty Weir, ZZ Top's "Manic Mechanic," or "Time Waits For No One" by the Stones. So AOR was really All Over the Place. But hey, in the late-night hours you'd sometimes hear things like Neil Young's "Ambulance Blues," "The End" by The Doors, or Pink Floyd's "Time" (and they'd allow it to segue to the next cut, "The Great Gig In The Sky.") Sensual stuff, and something you'll probably never hear again on commercial FM. Obscure music? Not to real Classic Rock aficionados, who really want and deserve to hear more than the Top 40 flavored remants of a once great format.

 

[yardape101]

Go to your local watering hole and see what the 39 year old Mr. Blue Jean Jacket is playing on the jukebox. Chances are it's gonna be Bob Seger, Skynyrd, and AC/DC.

That would probably be because jukebox companies put hits in ther boxes. If Mr. Blue Jean Jacket saw some Humple Pie or Wishbone Ash on there, it could spark just as big a memory as the top 100. Granted, jukebox companies probably wouldn't make as much money with deeper cuts, but a radio station could...given time.

 

[yardape101]

Laffer; when The Zoo or 102 DID play ZZ Top's "La Grange", they played the version from Tres Hombres - NOT the highly-reverbed and over-processed version that comes with the "Greatest Hits" album...er...C.D.

 

[theshadow]

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Then again, true AOR stations like KZEW and KTXQ (nee KFWD) also played songs like Gino Vanelli's "I Just Want To Stop," "Poetry Man" by Phoebe Snow, and Maria Muldaur's "Midnight At the Oasis," all soft AC staples. You could also hear Blondie, The Motels, The Knack and, on occasion, Frank Zappa.
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The Bone and other classic rock wannabes could learn alot from consulting with,
listening to, and understanding the philosophy of the true classic rock stations
that have had staying power forever, like KROQ in LA and KSHE in St. Louis. Heck,
KSHE even had it's own "KSHE Classics", deep cuts (and even some ones that
went on to be huge regional and national hits) that were incredible tunes that
everyone else wasn't playing. Agreed, there was a time when AOR was all over
the board. The philosophy was here's the dartboard, throw a dart, and see where
it lands in terms of programming the tunes. But it was also an understanding of how
we truly are as musical human beings, and how we might listen to tunes on our
stereo at home. One second we may be cranking out some Rush, the next second
Charlie Daniels, the next second some old Run DMC. Perhaps programmers need to
learn to DE-PROGRAM. Back then it was music and listeners before money. Now
it's just the money, and radio has suffered tremendously in staying power of
stations, and listener loyalty. Maybe that's why the "JACK" stations have become
so popular with the older crowd. Where else can you hear Pearl Jam followed by
Erasure?!.

 

[TheLaffer]

Laffer; when The Zoo or 102 DID play ZZ Top's "La Grange", they played the version from Tres Hombres - NOT the highly-reverbed and over-processed version that comes with the "Greatest Hits" album...er...C.D.

Agreed. I also agree with the songs an earlier poster said. Motels, Gino Vanelli, Patti Smyth, Toby Beau, War, Santana too...Great lonv versions of Ain't go nobody i can depend on, Europa, Hell i d love to hear Sweet Talkin Woman, Turn To Stone by ELO!

 

[TheRover]

Aah yes i remember the true aor's with huge ratings playing:

ZZ TOP/Tush, LaGrange
Deep Purple/Lazy, Space Truckin, smoke on the water
Trapeze
Black Sabbath/War Pigs. Paranoid
Rolling Stones/Smpathy for the devil, You can't always get what you want, Gimmie shelter, Wild horses
Doobies/Another park another sunday
Grand Funk/Closer to home (long V)
The Who/Won't get fooled again/Long V
Yes/Roundabout Long V
Iron Butterfly/In A Gadda Da Vida
Judas Priest
Led Zeppelin/Stairway/Kashmir
Deric/Dominos Layla
Golden Earring/Radar love Long V
Doors/Riders in the storm
Moody Blues/Tues afternoon, i'm just a singer...
Heart/Magic man, dreamboat annie,

Laffer, that may have been your AOR Heaven.... but it was never mine.

I'm Your Captain, Roundabout, Won't Get Fooled Again, Radar Love, and STH were all overplayed. So hearing the long versions of those already over-palyed AOR songs is not Heaven for me.

Instead, I would have played "Loneliness" from GFR.

Blue Jean Blues from ZZ TOP

My Generation - the Live At Leeds version.....

Are You Receiving Me from Golden Earring

Rock and a Hard Place from The Stones

Kissing Willie from Jethro Tull

Halo of Flies from Alice Cooper (instead if Billion Dollar Babies....)

and ALL of Cheap Trick's 1977 debut album

You get my drift ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I really like Hard Rock, so I'd play cuts from Dream Theater's AWAKE ---- instead of "Pull Me Under".... which got ---- too much airplay.

I also like stuff from guys like Michael Murphey, Gordon Lightfoot, and Bob Dylan.

I also like stuff from bands like Filter and Offspring.

Geesh, there's so much great rock and hard rock music, that's in addition to signature hits. This "other" music is not obscure, and it's easy to get into---- it's just not on the consultants' lists --- But it's on --my-- lists. Heck, if I gave "Loneliness" the airplay that I'm Your Captain got, then the mass audience would be polled to say that they want to hear that song....

I was NEVER serviced by having AOR radio cram Def Leppard and Boston and Foriener "hits" down our throats. I can't be influenced ---- I will NEVER enjoy commercial hit rock.

My "Heaven" of Rock Radio listening does not include "AM" Hit style programming.

I know what I'm talking about.

 

[grantchester]

Aw, gee, Rover. That commercial rock (or c-rock as we know it is) changed the world. I mean, how could we sell cleansing powder without Buddy Holly singing O-Boy? And think of all the Buick workers who would be out of work if Aerosmith hadn't recorded Dream on? Or Cadillacs unsold, without Led Zepplin's Rock and Roll?
We come from an era when there was a rebellion against c-rock and pop-rock, as presented on the dominant AM band. It's sad to think that the appreciation of music as music (rather than as product) somehow got lost along the way.
Then again, we probably did ourselves in with self-indulgence, by playing our favorites without checking to see just what our listeners wanted to hear. At each free-form station I worked at, things fell apart as soon as a tightly formatted competitor came in and started putting the songs we made into hits into high rotation. With all due respect to Laffer and his list, I got burned out on those songs a couple of decades ago. I make my own music now, and find that much more satisfying.
g

 

[TheLaffer]

Aah yes i remember the true aor's with huge ratings playing:

ZZ TOP/Tush, LaGrange
Deep Purple/Lazy, Space Truckin, smoke on the water
Trapeze
Black Sabbath/War Pigs. Paranoid
Rolling Stones/Smpathy for the devil, You can't always get what you want, Gimmie shelter, Wild horses
Doobies/Another park another sunday
Grand Funk/Closer to home (long V)
The Who/Won't get fooled again/Long V
Yes/Roundabout Long V
Iron Butterfly/In A Gadda Da Vida
Judas Priest
Led Zeppelin/Stairway/Kashmir
Deric/Dominos Layla
Golden Earring/Radar love Long V
Doors/Riders in the storm
Moody Blues/Tues afternoon, i'm just a singer...
Heart/Magic man, dreamboat annie,

Laffer, that may have been your AOR Heaven.... but it was never mine.

I'm Your Captain, Roundabout, Won't Get Fooled Again, Radar Love, and STH were all overplayed. So hearing the long versions of those already over-palyed AOR songs is not Heaven for me.

Instead, I would have played "Loneliness" from GFR.

Blue Jean Blues from ZZ TOP

My Generation - the Live At Leeds version.....

Are You Receiving Me from Golden Earring

Rock and a Hard Place from The Stones

Kissing Willie from Jethro Tull

Halo of Flies from Alice Cooper (instead if Billion Dollar Babies....)

and ALL of Cheap Trick's 1977 debut album

You get my drift ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I really like Hard Rock, so I'd play cuts from Dream Theater's AWAKE ---- instead of "Pull Me Under".... which got ---- too much airplay.

I also like stuff from guys like Michael Murphey, Gordon Lightfoot, and Bob Dylan.

I also like stuff from bands like Filter and Offspring.

Geesh, there's so much great rock and hard rock music, that's in addition to signature hits. This "other" music is not obscure, and it's easy to get into---- it's just not on the consultants' lists --- But it's on --my-- lists. Heck, if I gave "Loneliness" the airplay that I'm Your Captain got, then the mass audience would be polled to say that they want to hear that song....

I was NEVER serviced by having AOR radio cram Def Leppard and Boston and Foriener "hits" down our throats. I can't be influenced ---- I will NEVER enjoy commercial hit rock.

My "Heaven" of Rock Radio listening does not include "AM" Hit style programming.

I know what I'm talking about.

Different trokes for different folks.

 

[grantchester]

Oh yeah! The Trokes! I have their first album. They broke up when the lead singer left to join "Goop".

 

[Emarti]

Get rid of w&j and improvement will follow

Oh yeah! The Trokes! I have their first album. They broke up when the lead singer left to join "Goop".

I would rather listen to the Trokes and Goop than the raging arrogant asses beamed in from Houston.

I know several people who refuse to listen to the Bone until they get a new morning show.

The election results of the past week would seem to indicate that W&J's political rants are the opposite of what most Americans want to hear.

Besides W&J have no ratings in Houston or Dallas!

 

[TheRover]

Re: Get rid of w&j and improvement will follow

Oh yeah! The Trokes! I have their first album. They broke up when the lead singer left to join "Goop".

I would rather listen to the Trokes and Goop than the raging arrogant asses beamed in from Houston.

I know several people who refuse to listen to the Bone until they get a new morning show.

The election results of the past week would seem to indicate that W&J's political rants are the opposite of what most Americans want to hear.

Besides W&J have no ratings in Houston or Dallas!

Who need a "Morning" show, if you love music . . . .

I remember FM rock radio, when there was no "morning" show,
unless you count playing softer rock from Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell a morning show....
BTY, that's excatly what the "cool" FM rock station did in the early morning..... you know.... not to shocking as you got up for the day.....

But it's all so commercialized (and homoginzed) for the working class.
A social engineers Paradise..... And, a Music Lover's Nightmare!

Like I say..... A Music Lover wants Music for breakfast !

When I want to be amused with "talk", I turn to the Ticket.

But I guess W&J have to be there for all of those too stupid to turn on The Ticket.... Too Highbrow for dem.....