My Final Warning do you still want Hispanic on the Airwaves

[davideduardo]

The reason our education and health have gone downhill (which is true) is because we let people who were never qualified to come in here and drain the system.

That is not true. The quality of education in states where there is very little inward migration is also bad, especially in the sciences. There is a problem with our society that has cause the dumbing down of the school system. Particularly, we have dumbed down college to to make college accessable by people who should not be in college but in a parallel vocational system, such as England has.

Are you gonna say that's false.

I already did. You can not blame immigration, as during other periods of high immigration the US educational system and economy were both advancing. We have less immigrtants today, as a percentage of the population, than we did in 1903!

They don't even want to learn the language.

How I hate this crap. First generation immigrants learn the language well in a very, very small percentage, whether they be Gaelic-speaking Irish, Gedrmans, Italians, olles, etc. The first generation is generally poorly educated, and needs to work long hours and has no chance to learn anything but the minimum of Englsih. There is plenty of data that shows that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 90% of people beyond pre-adolescence can never learn much of another language as they are beyond the langauge acquisition years for most.

It has been that way in the US for 200 years.

Plus the liberals put heavy restraints on teachers and disiplinarians on keeping classes in order. It may offfend some minorities , especially those who are illegal.

I agree that there is a lack of discipline. But it has little to do with illegals. Children of illegals are cautioned by thier parents not to make waves, so they tend to behave better, not worse.

And i never said that were number one because were materialistic. (I will admit california does have an attitude) It's because we can. I know as well as most other countries are not primitive, but there are alot of leaders in those countries that would like to keep their people primitive....like the taliban. And you keep overlooking what people like me say. And I'll never understand it.

Gee, let's condemn the resto of the world because of the actions of one group in one country. Most of the world is progressive, modern and trying to get ahead educationally and economically. They have Starbucks in Quito.

Let's take a look at this Country even though I was very very young then...pre 1964, everything and every American had a chance to make it whether you were college bound or vocational. Everybody back then could pull their own weight. Afford a car , even a house, as long as you were hard working. we had a great government back up system and military.

And we had the Vietnam war and Kent state. I don't, personally, think the US was much of a haven then. We had George Wallace running for the Presidency, for gosh sakes. And Bull Connors and Orville Faubus and Medgar Evers' murder and lots of other very sickening stuff that we should not be proud of.

Yes there was racism back then , back as we corrected in 1964, it lead beyond blacks who were here already and contribute to our history as well. Then it got beyond that, where all of a sudden the average educated hard working American male was being replaced with other nations, freaks, weidros, terrorist, illegals, sexually challenged (hey that's a PC term so give me dignity) mistakes and people who's origin isn't a second old here. And we were never able to rebound back to the status of pre-1964 again.

It's a lot better now than then. Maybe if you were a northern middle class white, it has not been as easy, but then lots of people were being excluded to give you a break.

Even the oldies stations are disappearing. (Got a keep it radio-related).

What does that have to do with anything? They are disappearing because they attract really old people, over 55, and no advertisers want to reach that group. We do not have beautiful music, standards, MOR, etc., any more, either, in most markets.

People who seem to hate American culture or brainwash good looking american women into self destruction I notice are usually freaks, disenfranchised, self hatred, or been molested themselves that have to take their anti race-American culture misfortune out on the rest of us.

Have you considered that some that find fault also want to do something to make it better? Bitching alone does not help. And that is all you are doing.

And as much as this country has given back to other countries as far as Eithiopia, Tsunami in Sri Lanka, earthquakes in Mexico, etc.......we still are hated by those countries. They laugh as their government takes are funded raise money and gives their own a loaf of bread. It'a all in that hit recorded by former Canadian announcer Bryan Sinclair "Americans". Remember that hit? I think you should all listen to that one again.

You ougt to read the 50's novel, "The Ugly American" and then look in a mirror and read your post to yourself.

Arrrrrgh.

 

[apco25]

I have to diagnose you as hopeless. I give up at the moment.....as I watch the last Fear Factor, and I'll get back to you.

 

[apco25]

Now fear factors over...Mr. Eduardo, it seems like not only me who wonders, but plenty others wonder too in what world you live in. It seems like every opinion or fact is the opposite of yours. I have to diagnose you opposititis. All we need is another disease.
You have millions of families, people, citizens that are frustrated and feel like the quality of this country is decaying, and radio is not what it use to be , and your analogy is that everything is wonderful and perfect.
We discussed tight playlist before, and you say theirs more hits and releases then ever before...and if there is, it's stinks. No ones listening. No ones buying. Tower records is Bankrupt...you want to buy it, it's for sale.
According to you, there's no runaway immigration. Just people crossing over because they got lost. I'm sure are roads are even safer, especially when they pass illegal driver's license. I'm on to you wiith your cover ups. Let's retrack you paragraphs....OOOOOOOOOk

The reason our education and health have gone downhill (which is true) is because we let people who were never qualified to come in here and drain the system.

>>>>>That is not true. The quality of education in states where there is very little inward migration is also bad, especially in the sciences.

In what way?

>>>>>There is a problem with our society that has cause the dumbing down of the school system. Particularly, we have dumbed down college to to make college accessable by people who should not be in college but in a parallel vocational system, such as England has.

Your half right, but I'm referring to grammar and high school. Adding books like Tommy has 2 mommies, removing novels like Tom Sayer and changing history courses they way there were originally taught.

Yes thanks to multiculturalism there's major courses at college like standing students in order who has the darkest tone of skin color and making them tell how it feels to be darker or lighter while in line. Or studying Tupac's lyrics. Great courses. That 'll get you a job. That's what there studying, i'm not being funny. And that's the cause of the left and the perverts in the courdoroy jackets with the bald ponytails appointed as professors.

Are you gonna say that's false.

>>>>>I already did. You can not blame immigration, as during other periods of high immigration the US educational system and economy were both advancing. We have less immigrtants today, as a percentage of the population, than we did in 1903!

No we don't. Our borders weren't open back then. And anybody illegal can stay here like they are now and can take our benefits like they are now. Don't tell me there's less, Every city and town has seen population growth then ever before. Even our ghost towns are growing. I don't know where you get your facts from from...Wikipedia?

They don't even want to learn the language.

>>>>>>>How I hate this crap. First generation immigrants learn the language well in a very, very small percentage, whether they be Gaelic-speaking Irish, Gedrmans, Italians, olles, etc. The first generation is generally poorly educated, and needs to work long hours and has no chance to learn anything but the minimum of Englsih. There is plenty of data that shows that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 90% of people beyond pre-adolescence can never learn much of another language as they are beyond the langauge acquisition years for most.

Just walk in to any fast food restaurant....not that I eat there...but when you go into a McDonald's in any town USA, you think your in McDomiguez. I walk and work around cities in the Bay Area all day, and my ears are subjected to 20 different languages a day. What world are you living in. I should also add that they were all walking around with their radios tune to WAMS. Ok, next....

>>>>>>I agree that there is a lack of discipline. But it has little to do with illegals. Children of illegals are cautioned by thier parents not to make waves, so they tend to behave better, not worse.


No there's only gang fights and reported guns found in trash cans like the other day in a school in Modesto. I know in your world everone's learning in harmony. Next...

And i never said that were number one because were materialistic. (I will admit california does have an attitude) It's because we can. I know as well as most other countries are not primitive, but there are alot of leaders in those countries that would like to keep their people primitive....like the taliban. And you keep overlooking what people like me say. And I'll never understand it.

>>>>>>Gee, let's condemn the resto of the world because of the actions of one group in one country. Most of the world is progressive, modern and trying to get ahead educationally and economically. They have Starbucks in Quito.

Yes theres alot of communist coffee drinkers all over the world I guess. Even in Ecuador. It's not one country....it's many others, when were we obligated to bring in diseases, asylum cases, fund third world countries when a nutty ruler runs out farmers out off their land and causing plenty of starving children in a country because the farmers are white. I think Ecaudorians should start shipping lots of lattes to Zimbabwe.

Let's take a look at this Country even though I was very very young then...pre 1964

>>>>>>And we had the Vietnam war and Kent state. I don't, personally, think the US was much of a haven then. We had George Wallace running for the Presidency.

I said pre-not post 1964.

Even the oldies stations are disappearing. (Got a keep it radio-related).

>>>>>>What does that have to do with anything? They are disappearing because they attract really old people, over 55, and no advertisers want to reach that group. We do not have beautiful music, standards, MOR, etc., any more, either, in most markets.

LOLOLOLOLLOLOOHahahahahaaha...I'm just trying to keep this radio related...you crack me up. What I was trying to relate is that oldies always reminds people of better times, and even that's disappearing on our American airwaves. Especially music from pre-1964. Hold the advertising debate till later.


People who seem to hate American culture or brainwash good looking american women into self destruction I notice are usually freaks, disenfranchised, self hatred, or been molested themselves that have to take their anti race-American culture misfortune out on the rest of us.

>>>>>>>Have you considered that some that find fault also want to do something to make it better? Bitching alone does not help. And that is all you are doing.


I'm not the one complaining or hating this country...or I don't get you on this.

And as much as this country has given back to other countries as far as Eithiopia, Tsunami in Sri Lanka, earthquakes in Mexico, etc.......we still are hated by those countries. They laugh as their government takes are funded raise money and gives their own a loaf of bread. It'a all in that hit recorded by former Canadian announcer Bryan Sinclair "Americans". Remember that hit?

>>>>>>>You ougt to read the 50's novel, "The Ugly American" and then look in a mirror and read your post to yourself.

You know what, ....after that comment, I'm gonna recommend you for deportation. I'm notifying the Banana Republic tommorrow.

 

[odomski]

It's very simple: if you don't like our educational system...or if you don't like the way we run our Country...register to vote and cast your ballot in the upcoming November elections...or go back to where you came from...since you think it's so damn good there.

 

[Weezknight]

It's very simple: if you don't like our educational system...or if you don't like the way we run our Country...register to vote and cast your ballot in the upcoming November elections...or go back to where you came from...since you think it's so damn good there.

It's not that simple.

#1) You can't go back to "where you came from" if you're already here.
#2) There are far too many people voting in elections who have no business voting. I'll qualify that as people who don't take the time to actually figure out what they believe in and match it up to a candidate they like. In addition the 2-party system has become an absolute failure. The people who don't research their vote are more likely to just vote the party line, and that's what you're up against if you want to "Vote to change." How can you compete against millions of drones who just pull the Democrat/Republican lever, and don't even know half the candidates on those lists.

Politics and Political theory actually follow a course of evolution. As societies move forward the system of government must change to accommodate. The problem is that we've spent so many years telling everyone that Democracy is the Champion of all governmental systems, even though we don't really have a Democracy. As we've grown in society the current form of government is being exposed as too weak for both the current domestic situations, and the current World situations. As long as people don't realize that changes need to be made, the more this country is going to start bursting at its seams. Accepting that the World is smaller and we need to be a PART of it, not the POLICE of it, would be a great start.

 

[davideduardo]

It's very simple: if you don't like our educational system...or if you don't like the way we run our Country...register to vote and cast your ballot in the upcoming November elections...or go back to where you came from...since you think it's so damn good there.

I came from cleveland, Ohio. I don't really wanna' go back because the winters are not as nice as they are in LA.

What's your real point, Shawn?

 

[davideduardo]

Now fear factors over...Mr. Eduardo, it seems like not only me who wonders, but plenty others wonder too in what world you live in. It seems like every opinion or fact is the opposite of yours.

Why would I write responses to posts I agree with? As a friend who is a manager also saiys, "If you agree with me all of the time, then one of us is not needed." Why waste space agreeing? I post when there are different points of view.

And this is supposed to be a board where there are radio professionals, as well as users and "groupies" (in the kindest sense... I am still one of those, too) asking and answering questions and giving opinions. Unfortunately, this has become a gladiator forum, where expletives abound and very little of substance is discussed any more.

You have millions of families, people, citizens that are frustrated and feel like the quality of this country is decaying,

That is a social issue. There are always, in the best economies, some unemployed, some poor, and some with more than others. The alternatives are worse. Personally, I think today is better for most people than the 50's and 60's were, but we all tend to see the past as better when, in fact, "Happy Days" were not as happy as they seemed.

and radio is not what it use to be ,

Of course it is not what it used ot be. Formats that loose their appeal go away. Like oldiess, standards, MOR, etc. And new onea apepear, like Churban /Hip hop and Reggaetón and Urban AC and Alternative and all the formats that did not exist in the 70's or 80's.

I sure am glad my car does not look like one form 1982!

We discussed tight playlist before, and you say theirs more hits and releases then ever before...and if there is, it's stinks. No ones listening.

Huh? Teen cume is only off 3% in the last 20 years, and 18-54 cume is essentially flat. Teen TSL is off 15% since 1998, amazing since we do not program to or for teens. In the sales demos, TSL is flat. They ARE listening, and pretty much in line with past levels adjusted for today's lifestyles.

No ones buying. Tower records is Bankrupt...you want to buy it, it's for sale.

The brick and mortar record store is an anachronism. The old guys in suits that run record companies were a decade too late in figuring out that consumers wanted a different delivery system other than CDs with 8 stiffs and 1 or 2 good songs. And piracy hand p2p have significantly hurt record companies, much of it caused by the antiquated marketing model of the record companies.

According to you, there's no runaway immigration. Just people crossing over because they got lost. I'm sure are roads are even safer, especially when they pass illegal driver's license. I'm on to you wiith your cover ups. Let's retrack you paragraphs....OOOOOOOOOk

I did not say that. You are misquoting me. I am saying tha tthe percent of immigrants here today is lower than it was in 1906! So there is no huge change in that aspect. Law enforcement is something I did not even mention, nor did I get into the fact that if people keep coming, we must be doing a bad enforcement job and, at the same time, there must be a boatload of jobs waiting!

The reason our education and health have gone downhill (which is true) is because we let people who were never qualified to come in here and drain the system.

That is not true. Educational quality is as bad in states with little immigration as those with lots. And it is as good in places where nearly all the immigrants are middle and upper class (Florida) as where they are working class. We have an educational problem that is not releated to immigration.

>>>>>That is not true. The quality of education in states where there is very little inward migration is also bad, especially in the sciences.

In what way?

Look at comparitive math and science skills by state and then by country. The US is something like 25th in the world in math and science grads, despite graduating more students than most of the other nations.

>>>>>I already did. You can not blame immigration, as during other periods of high immigration the US educational system and economy were both advancing. We have less immigrtants today, as a percentage of the population, than we did in 1903!

No we don't. Our borders weren't open back then. And anybody illegal can stay here like they are now and can take our benefits like they are now. Don't tell me there's less, Every city and town has seen population growth then ever before. Even our ghost towns are growing. I don't know where you get your facts from from...Wikipedia?

Prior to immigration legislation in the 20's, and except for a vile little law against Chinese immigrants in about 1880, there were NO immigration laws except being apparently healthy. The borders were wide open. Hello? Come on over, Cousin Guido and Uncle Fritz are waiting.

They don't even want to learn the language.

>>>>>>>How I hate this crap. First generation immigrants learn the language well in a very, very small percentage, whether they be Gaelic-speaking Irish, Gedrmans, Italians, olles, etc. The first generation is generally poorly educated, and needs to work long hours and has no chance to learn anything but the minimum of Englsih. There is plenty of data that shows that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 90% of people beyond pre-adolescence can never learn much of another language as they are beyond the langauge acquisition years for most.

Just walk in to any fast food restaurant....not that I eat there...but when you go into a McDonald's in any town USA, you think your in McDomiguez. I walk and work around cities in the Bay Area all day, and my ears are subjected to 20 different languages a day. What world are you living in. I should also add that they were all walking around with their radios tune to WAMS. Ok, next....

First generation does not learn the language well because they can not because the learning abilities needed decline to nothing after pre-adolescence. Now, then, in the future. It is a part of the brain, not interest or willingness.

Yes theres alot of communist coffee drinkers all over the world I guess. Even in Ecuador.

There you go again. Ecuador is not a communist country. It is democratic, and its currency is the US Dollar.

 

[zumahans]

Bwah hah hah hah.

Best Davey quote ever:


-------->"I can't figure out how to turn the beat off."

In all seriousness, I have my differences with DE's imperious handling of radio topics, and his imperiousness and biased reporting of ratings.

But his arguments in this thread are spot on.

 

[Dancerev889]

Heres an idea, if you dont like the station change the dial and dont listen to it. Or go get some investors and buy the station. You can cry all you want but its not your decision. Clear Channel felt they could make money on the format and they own the rights to broadcast.

 

[fred flintstone]

Clear Channel is a publicly held company operating on the public airwaves under a license granted by the government.
Therefore their actions are subject to scrutiny and to public comment.
Clear Channel has a right (within the law and FCC regs) to do what they want.
Everybody has a right to an opinion about what they do and to express that opinion.

Just like you have a right to an opinion about earlier posts in this thread.

Bottom line: If the mainstream audience is already abandoning terrestrial radio for satellite radio, mp3 players and whatever the next big thing in audio turns out to be, then it makes sense for terrestrial radio to program for the population segments which are staying with old-fashioned AM and FM radio: Blacks and Hispanics.
They want to listen; advertisers want to reach them.
Maybe the real complaint here is some people will have to pay a few bucks to hear Rock, Alternative, Danz, Oldies, Standards or whatever.
Of course, before those same people were complaining how all the commercials.
Now they don't have to worry about commercials.

 

[davideduardo]

Bwah hah hah hah.

Best Davey quote ever:


-------->"I can't figure out how to turn the beat off."

In all seriousness, I have my differences with DE's imperious handling of radio topics, and his imperiousness and biased reporting of ratings.

But his arguments in this thread are spot on.

Well, that is a start.

Why don't you swing by Glendale and I can show you, right out of Arbitron, where the data I refer to comes from. It is copyright, but can be used for personal presentations but can not be disseminated without violating the contract and this board's policy! Then you would see I am not making this up.

 

[apco25]

Why would I write responses to posts I agree with? As a friend who is a manager also saiys, "If you agree with me all of the time, then one of us is not needed." Why waste space agreeing? I post when there are different points of view.

//////////////You could do it to be friendly or join the mutual admiration society

And this is supposed to be a board where there are radio professionals, as well as users and "groupies" (in the kindest sense... I am still one of those, too) asking and answering questions and giving opinions. Unfortunately, this has become a gladiator forum, where expletives abound and very little of substance is discussed any more.

/////////////Because we have radicals on here that like to undermine the truth and mislead us with suicidal information. (Don't take it personally Fred)

You have millions of families, people, citizens that are frustrated and feel like the quality of this country is decaying,

That is a social issue. There are always, in the best economies, some unemployed, some poor, and some with more than others. The alternatives are worse. Personally, I think today is better for most people than the 50's and 60's were, but we all tend to see the past as better when, in fact, "Happy Days" were not as happy as they seemed.

/////////The 50's were better then the 90's and millenium years.

and radio is not what it use to be ,

Of course it is not what it used ot be. Formats that loose their appeal go away. Like oldiess, standards, MOR, etc. And new onea apepear, like Churban /Hip hop and Reggaetón and Urban AC and Alternative and all the formats that did not exist in the 70's or 80's.

I sure am glad my car does not look like one form 1982!

/////////Let's be blunt about it. Today sucks.

We discussed tight playlist before, and you say theirs more hits and releases then ever before...and if there is, it's stinks. No ones listening.

Huh? Teen cume is only off 3% in the last 20 years, and 18-54 cume is essentially flat. Teen TSL is off 15% since 1998, amazing since we do not program to or for teens. In the sales demos, TSL is flat. They ARE listening, and pretty much in line with past levels adjusted for today's lifestyles.

/////////that's the problem with consultants. statistics statistics, that aren't accurate. Today's statistics are misleading.. Just like the ratings. Was that teen statistic off 3% on a secondary listening basis or primary basis when it comes to other sources for entertainment. Was that off 3% only on Sundays, or just Christmas. Is that teens only in hispanic areas? It's like a newspaper poll.....as far as I know, anyone with an Ipod or XM listens at least 75% of the time then over radio. CBS just dumped another 115....just restructuring?....because of less listenership. Like i mentioned before, you can appraise your house for 1 million, you'll know the exact statistic one day when you can't sell it period. Right now the industry in radio is just milking along.

No ones buying. Tower records is Bankrupt...you want to buy it, it's for sale.

The brick and mortar record store is an anachronism. The old guys in suits that run record companies were a decade too late in figuring out that consumers wanted a different delivery system other than CDs with 8 stiffs and 1 or 2 good songs. And piracy hand p2p have significantly hurt record companies, much of it caused by the antiquated marketing model of the record companies.

/////////////// I agree, but record stores coincided with radio stations on sales of 45's and LP's. Billboard was very much accurate with radio playlists until around 87' when the CD replaced everything. Now the system is going in any direction that people can't understand. 50 different charts , how can you depend on radio what the mainstream likes anymore. That's why you have the bland display at Best Buy and Borders. Radio has become for the few lifestyles, and office daytime listening. Not to break new hit songs. Play it safe. It might work for the office, because people's jobs are there to work anyway, not to listen. background purposes only.

According to you, there's no runaway immigration. Just people crossing over because they got lost. I'm sure are roads are even safer, especially when they pass illegal driver's license. I'm on to you wiith your cover ups. Let's retrack you paragraphs....OOOOOOOOOk

I did not say that. You are misquoting me. I am saying tha tthe percent of immigrants here today is lower than it was in 1906! So there is no huge change in that aspect. Law enforcement is something I did not even mention, nor did I get into the fact that if people keep coming, we must be doing a bad enforcement job and, at the same time, there must be a boatload of jobs waiting!

////////////I won't believe that if you gave me WABC. Things weren't as bad in Mexico as they are today. Back then nobody received legal or government aid. A guy can walk into this country with no english and become a program director for WLS tommorrow. He doesn't , he'll just sue for discrimination. It maybe far fetched.... but it's going in that direction.
I don't buy that all. Only fools do.

The reason our education and health have gone downhill (which is true) is because we let people who were never qualified to come in here and drain the system.

That is not true. Educational quality is as bad in states with little immigration as those with lots. And it is as good in places where nearly all the immigrants are middle and upper class (Florida) as where they are working class. We have an educational problem that is not releated to immigration.

////////There are some good immigration (especially in the past) but again as i explained ...today's are mostly welfare recipients and deadbeats. Yes there are hard workers , but we have our own that needs to these jobs instead of collecting welfare checks. But the government is soft on that.

>>>>>That is not true. The quality of education in states where there is very little inward migration is also bad, especially in the sciences.

In what way?

Look at comparitive math and science skills by state and then by country. The US is something like 25th in the world in math and science grads, despite graduating more students than most of the other nations.

//////////////Half right....because we let them in. That's how became 25th. We probably be ranked 7th if we didn't include all the inner city schools in major cities in the statistics.

>>>>>I already did. You can not blame immigration, as during other periods of high immigration the US educational system and economy were both advancing. We have less immigrtants today, as a percentage of the population, than we did in 1903!

No we don't. Our borders weren't open back then. And anybody illegal can stay here like they are now and can take our benefits like they are now. Don't tell me there's less, Every city and town has seen population growth then ever before. Even our ghost towns are growing. I don't know where you get your facts from from...Wikipedia?

Prior to immigration legislation in the 20's, and except for a vile little law against Chinese immigrants in about 1880, there were NO immigration laws except being apparently healthy. The borders were wide open. Hello? Come on over, Cousin Guido and Uncle Fritz are waiting.

////////////////It wasn't that easy. I think your watching the Godfather too many times. Immigarion back then was encourage because we needed the workers to come over. And they got nothing like special aid, AFDC, food stamps, etc....We didn't have the population no where near where we have today. Check the census back then and compare. Another cover up.

They don't even want to learn the language.

>>>>>>>How I hate this crap. First generation immigrants learn the language well in a very, very small percentage, whether they be Gaelic-speaking Irish, Gedrmans, Italians, olles, etc. The first generation is generally poorly educated, and needs to work long hours and has no chance to learn anything but the minimum of Englsih. There is plenty of data that shows that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 90% of people beyond pre-adolescence can never learn much of another language as they are beyond the langauge acquisition years for most.

Just walk in to any fast food restaurant....not that I eat there...but when you go into a McDonald's in any town USA, you think your in McDomiguez. I walk and work around cities in the Bay Area all day, and my ears are subjected to 20 different languages a day. What world are you living in. I should also add that they were all walking around with their radios tune to WAMS. Ok, next....

First generation does not learn the language well because they can not because the learning abilities needed decline to nothing after pre-adolescence. Now, then, in the future. It is a part of the brain, not interest or willingness.

Yes theres alot of communist coffee drinkers all over the world I guess. Even in Ecuador.

There you go again. Ecuador is not a communist country. It is democratic, and its currency is the US Dollar.

//////////////Today's democrats are today's radicals or communist. Especially the people who drink Starbuck's coffee. I hope I answered your questions. If not I'll refer you to the Fruit lady.


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[davideduardo]

[Huh? Teen cume is only off 3% in the last 20 years, and 18-54 cume is essentially flat. Teen TSL is off 15% since 1998, amazing since we do not program to or for teens. In the sales demos, TSL is flat. They ARE listening, and pretty much in line with past levels adjusted for today's lifestyles.

/////////that's the problem with consultants. statistics statistics, that aren't accurate. Today's statistics are misleading.. Just like the ratings. Was that teen statistic off 3% on a secondary listening basis or primary basis when it comes to other sources for entertainment. Was that off 3% only on Sundays, or just Christmas. Is that teens only in hispanic areas? It's like a newspaper poll.....as far as I know, anyone with an Ipod or XM listens at least 75% of the time then over radio. CBS just dumped another 115....just restructuring?....because of less listenership. Like i mentioned before, you can appraise your house for 1 million, you'll know the exact statistic one day when you can't sell it period. Right now the industry in radio is just milking along.

Listening is divided into two types. FIrst is cume, or the total number of persons who listen. Teen listening to radio is off a couple of percent in total numbers of teens who ever use the radio.

Teen time spent listneing, the number of total hours a week, is foff 15%. Teens always underindexed 18+, because many are in school, etc., where they can not listen as much as adults. In rounded terms, teen listening is off by about 15% in terms of hours and minutes a week.

That is, as most data of this type, for Monday-Sunday, 6 AM to Midnight. I used a sample of 10 Top 20 markets and compared with some other data I have from Arbitron. There are very few differences between markets, by size or ethnicity.

In all cases, the universe I use is total population in a demo in a market.

---->>>>No ones buying. Tower records is Bankrupt...you want to buy it, it's for sale.

The brick and mortar record store is an anachronism. The old guys in suits that run record companies were a decade too late in figuring out that consumers wanted a different delivery system other than CDs with 8 stiffs and 1 or 2 good songs. And piracy hand p2p have significantly hurt record companies, much of it caused by the antiquated marketing model of the record companies.

/////////////// I agree, but record stores coincided with radio stations on sales of 45's and LP's. Billboard was very much accurate with radio playlists until around 87' when the CD replaced everything. Now the system is going in any direction that people can't understand. 50 different charts , how can you depend on radio what the mainstream likes anymore. That's why you have the bland display at Best Buy and Borders. Radio has become for the few lifestyles, and office daytime listening. Not to break new hit songs. Play it safe. It might work for the office, because people's jobs are there to work anyway, not to listen. background purposes only.

I never found a correlation between music taste and record sales since I have been doing listener level testing. New music is realtively unimportant for most 25+ adult demos, and many stations include newer songs not because they want to but to be able to keep the sound fresh. New songs always test badly with adults, no matter who they are by.

>>>>>>According to you, there's no runaway immigration. Just people crossing over because they got lost. I'm sure are roads are even safer, especially when they pass illegal driver's license. I'm on to you wiith your cover ups. Let's retrack you paragraphs....OOOOOOOOOk

I did not say that. You are misquoting me. I am saying tha tthe percent of immigrants here today is lower than it was in 1906! So there is no huge change in that aspect. Law enforcement is something I did not even mention, nor did I get into the fact that if people keep coming, we must be doing a bad enforcement job and, at the same time, there must be a boatload of jobs waiting!

////////////I won't believe that if you gave me WABC. Things weren't as bad in Mexico as they are today. Back then nobody received legal or government aid. A guy can walk into this country with no english and become a program director for WLS tommorrow. He doesn't , he'll just sue for discrimination. It maybe far fetched.... but it's going in that direction.
I don't buy that all. Only fools do.

In the times I mention, Italy was bad. Before that, it was Germany. Or before that, Ireland. They just came, with no jobs, no English (except the Irish) and they assimilated in the later generations. Same happened with Poles, Czechs, Jews, etc. It was not until the 20's that we even had laws about immigration. As world conditions change, the source of immigrants changes with it. In fact, 40% of illegals are not Mexican and not Hispanic.

>>>>>I already did. You can not blame immigration, as during other periods of high immigration the US educational system and economy were both advancing. We have less immigrtants today, as a percentage of the population, than we did in 1903!

No we don't. Our borders weren't open back then. And anybody illegal can stay here like they are now and can take our benefits like they are now. Don't tell me there's less, Every city and town has seen population growth then ever before. Even our ghost towns are growing. I don't know where you get your facts from from...Wikipedia?

US Census shows that in the decade form 1900 to 1910 there was a higher percentage of immigrants (that is, foreign born) in the US than today. Prior to the 1920's, our borders were totally open. Just shine a light in your eyes, stick out your tongue, and you were in.

>>>>>>Prior to immigration legislation in the 20's, and except for a vile little law against Chinese immigrants in about 1880, there were NO immigration laws except being apparently healthy. The borders were wide open. Hello? Come on over, Cousin Guido and Uncle Fritz are waiting.

////////////////It wasn't that easy. I think your watching the Godfather too many times. Immigarion back then was encourage because we needed the workers to come over. And they got nothing like special aid, AFDC, food stamps, etc....We didn't have the population no where near where we have today. Check the census back then and compare. Another cover up.

There were no welfare programs in 1900. Most of that came as a product of the Depression. As I said, in 1900 to 1910, there was a higher percentage of foreign born here than today.

+++They don't even want to learn the language.

>>>>>>>How I hate this crap. First generation immigrants learn the language well in a very, very small percentage, whether they be Gaelic-speaking Irish, Gedrmans, Italians, olles, etc. The first generation is generally poorly educated, and needs to work long hours and has no chance to learn anything but the minimum of Englsih. There is plenty of data that shows that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over 90% of people beyond pre-adolescence can never learn much of another language as they are beyond the langauge acquisition years for most.

Just walk in to any fast food restaurant....not that I eat there...but when you go into a McDonald's in any town USA, you think your in McDomiguez. I walk and work around cities in the Bay Area all day, and my ears are subjected to 20 different languages a day. What world are you living in. I should also add that they were all walking around with their radios tune to WAMS. Ok, next....

I lived through about 14 in Cleveland. When I used the bus, I seldom heard English, except among other kids. I could identify Italian, Polish, Czech, Greek and a couple of others. My first job included running Sunday morning shows in about 12 different langauges. Nothing has chenged except where the immikgrants come from and where most of them settle.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

David, you said: "In fact, 40% of illegals are not Mexican and not Hispanic."

I'd sure like to see the data source or a link to that info.... It's not proprietary, is it????

 

[apco25]

That is, as most data of this type, for Monday-Sunday, 6 AM to Midnight. I used a sample of 10 Top 20 markets and compared with some other data I have from Arbitron. There are very few differences between markets, by size or ethnicity.

In all cases, the universe I use is total population in a demo in a market.


>>>>>>>That maybe so, but what I experience on the streets andf hifghways , for instance noticing the increasing satellite and cell phone antennas on hoods of autos.....not including who has the Ipods, or Cd player on....it's gotta hurt. And where not even discussing home or base listening. And just because they say they listen, doesn't mean they really listen or listen at all.


I never found a correlation between music taste and record sales since I have been doing listener level testing. New music is realtively unimportant for most 25+ adult demos, and many stations include newer songs not because they want to but to be able to keep the sound fresh. New songs always test badly with adults, no matter who they are by.

>>>>And i did. I remember it very well. When record sales decreased so did airplay at all top radio stations. Give or take a few weeks the Billboard charts were pretty accurate on what's hot on the air. I've witnessed that myself. There was no further reason to heavily push airplay on a song once it hit it's peak on R&R and Billboard. as there was no corporate back then on what tested well. It all tested from the small to medium farm clubs to the big majors. By 86-87 Billboard was no longer the disciple of influence of the airwaves. And I know, I watched those things carefully.


In the times I mention, Italy was bad. Before that, it was Germany. Or before that, Ireland. They just came, with no jobs, no English (except the Irish) and they assimilated in the later generations. Same happened with Poles, Czechs, Jews, etc. It was not until the 20's that we even had laws about immigration. As world conditions change, the source of immigrants changes with it. In fact, 40% of illegals are not Mexican and not Hispanic.

>>>Every group had their own secluded ghetto back in those days.. These days diversity and ethnicity is in our farming towns. And were forced to assmilate with it.

 

[zumahans]

---->I lived through about 14 in Cleveland. When I used the bus, I seldom heard English, except among other kids. I could identify Italian, Polish, Czech, Greek and a couple of others. My first job included running Sunday morning shows in about 12 different langauges. Nothing has chenged except where the immikgrants come from and where most of them settle.

You cannot be serious.

Cleveland in 1950 is a loooonnnnnnnng way from Santa Ana in 2006.

These quaint ethnic quarters of yore were stepping stones to assimilation.

Today, thanks to media, schools, government and society controlled by self-serving interests (ahem), a whole subsociety has been carved out.

An entire 2d generation is being conceived with no cultural, societal or common-interest ties to the mainstream.

Our common nation is the worse off for this.

 

[John Waywoods]

Bronx cheer

OK, what have I learned here. MMM MMM OHHH, OK! Philly stinks thanks to people like OHARA. Bronx cheer. Go have a potato, get drunk and kick your dog.

Note, for those of us with college degrees, we need written quote sources. Otherwise, we believe you pulled it from a dark place.

 

[davideduardo]

David, you said: "In fact, 40% of illegals are not Mexican and not Hispanic."

I'd sure like to see the data source or a link to that info.... It's not proprietary, is it????

FAIR website. Asians, Eastern Europeans, etc. Many Irish and Brits, even. They do not come over the border int he desert... they overstay visas.

In all fairness, you will find different estimates, from 60% Hispanic to 80%. If you search on immigration +illegal +origin you can find a bunch of sources. The fist conclusion is that nobody knows for sure.

 

[davideduardo]

>>>>>>>That maybe so, but what I experience on the streets andf hifghways , for instance noticing the increasing satellite and cell phone antennas on hoods of autos.....not including who has the Ipods, or Cd player on....it's gotta hurt. And where not even discussing home or base listening. And just because they say they listen, doesn't mean they really listen or listen at all.

None of the data on the core demos for radio sales is dangerously in decline. The small erosion is something we can deal with, and there is no catastrophe. we have lived with cassette and CD players for about 30 years, and it has always been complimentary, not competitive.


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I never found a correlation between music taste and record sales since I have been doing listener level testing. New music is realtively unimportant for most 25+ adult demos, and many stations include newer songs not because they want to but to be able to keep the sound fresh. New songs always test badly with adults, no matter who they are by.

>>>>And i did. I remember it very well. When record sales decreased so did airplay at all top radio stations. Give or take a few weeks the Billboard charts were pretty accurate on what's hot on the air. I've witnessed that myself. There was no further reason to heavily push airplay on a song once it hit it's peak on R&R and Billboard. as there was no corporate back then on what tested well. It all tested from the small to medium farm clubs to the big majors. By 86-87 Billboard was no longer the disciple of influence of the airwaves. And I know, I watched those things carefully. [/quote]

The Billboard charts were and are pretty accurate about what is on the air, because for many years, the chart includes airplay (BDS) as a basis for much of the chart. In the Top 40 days, charts were based on singles sales. After singles disappeared, radio had nothing to track, wo we asked listeners rather than asking record stores.

By the early 90's with BDS / Nielsen the chart reflected airplay, as opposed to reflecting mostly singles sales.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

David, you said: "In fact, 40% of illegals are not Mexican and not Hispanic."

I'd sure like to see the data source or a link to that info.... It's not proprietary, is it????

FAIR website. Asians, Eastern Europeans, etc. Many Irish and Brits, even. They do not come over the border int he desert... they overstay visas.

In all fairness, you will find different estimates, from 60% Hispanic to 80%. If you search on immigration +illegal +origin you can find a bunch of sources. The fist conclusion is that nobody knows for sure.

Thanks but don't use the term "In fact" if "nobody knows for sure". Right?