My Response to the "Editor"

[Erie_Lackawanna]

Erie_Lackawanna Posts: 6

"Erie"'s content and his/her few posts reveal that. Notice how anyone who people who agree with me are accused of being me. Look at the writing style of the mod and look at my writing style...guess I'm asking a bit much from the ones with "few" posts since they can't write, let alone be honest or courageous. Then again,
if they've been banned how can they ever possibly "reveal" themselves? So if they have few posts, no content other than to harass us, chances are they are one of the "5" handles this room was threatened with.

okay, slick. you pulled me, for an albeit brief exchange.
few posts means that most times there is nothing new to add. additionally, rule #1 in radio, Joe - less is more. when Harry Nelson was PD at 94.5 - he'd often say "if you have to breathe, you're done talking."

i'm in the biz. i've worked in Boston and other markets around the region. for what it's worth - you are the primary reason many of the professionals you most admire in Boston radio do not contribute here anymore. oh, some "lurk" and occasionally chime in, but not with the light-hearted exchanges that used to occur on the old "r-i-dot-com" board, when many could use their actual names without worrying about backlash. i say "one" of the reasons. another is that some radio professionals were actually "ordered" to stop posting/contributing here by their managers (oh yeah, i still have the memo).

i don't doubt your creds - i've read your writings and they don't suck. i wouldn't run out and purchase them in a hard-cover bound volume, but your music pieces are often well-thought out and fairly well constructed.

 

[manager3]

The moderators DO participate in discussions. This thread is a perfect example of that. They are breaking their own rules. But it's OK for them to do that...but god forbid if we go one step out of line.

Sorry Shawn, they don't. You are refering to me, my role is Managing Board Editor. I can play the moderator role by making edits etc, but I primarily oversee the boards, assist and back up the moderators. The moderators do not participate. The only participation I partake in has to do with the rules or functionality of the site and to answer your questions, or to intervene in inflammatory threads to put out the fire. As in this discussion: It is apparent that INTERComm99 has no interest in discussing radio, but only wants to cause unrest here. I've opened the door and given reason for him participate in a legitimate fashion. He chooses not to. I have given a lengthy explanation as to why it SEEMS we give Joe a longer rope. But we don't. My participation is strictly tied to the usabilty of the boards, whether that be user related or function related. I hope that clarifies things for you.

And Shawn, it is nice to see you discussing something other than Julius! That comment is intended in a fun way, I hope you didn't take offence. Just trying to show a sense of humor in this so serious discussion about whether my name is Joe, or Jo, or Geo (as in George)!


Managing Board Editor

 

[Brooklyndon]

Joe Vigs "experience" is worthless because he's talking about crap that happened more than 25 years ago with no-name bands no one cares about.

His posts are convoluted, and non-linear. Joe simply cannot write effectively. When was the last time he was published in a mainstream publication?

Joe is out of touch with reality. His posts are inefficient. Joe is the #1 time waster on this board, and needs to be banned.

 

[jane grant]

Brooklyndon? Cute name for a part time NY dj maybe? who IS banned.

No wonder you want Joe bannd, you are crying in your milk. If you've read his posts, which I have, you'll see he was recently on the BBC and VH1. I heard the BBC thing online (he talked about "Sunny", the song), have not seen the VH-1 shows, Joe - what are they? Will they air again?

The attacks in Brooklyndon's thread are what the moderator warned against.

Banning Brooklyndon would be redundant because it is obvious he was already banned under his real name.

 

[TowerBuzz]

You talk about Joe just like Joe talks about Joe. Interesting

 

[Varulven]

Note to "Erie"

Hey TowerBuzz - last I checked Jane wasn't at my computer. Check her ISP and mine.


To answer Jane's question - I've never watched the VH-1 things I taped in New York either! Someone at my gym came up to me and started talking because they saw one of the shows. We couldn't get the tapes! They wouldn't release them to us, which is why Paul Justman (Keyboardist Seth's brother; the guy who did their videos as well as "Standing In The Shadows of Motown) wouldn't do it with the J GEILS band. In fact, because I invited Danny Klein and the Geils guys (who eventually passed on getting together for it, especially when they told Paul the tapes of the raw footage would not be dubbed), it pushed my taping back 3-4 months. Oh well...When they are re-aired I will post in the TV area of radio-info, how's that?



and to Answer Erie L,

if I have THAT much impact on radio in Boston...wow, for 6 Corporations to send memos to people not to interact with me would be truly an accomplishment. Of course radio today is less creative and more like a jukebox with a smooth voice that can be the go-between when shifting from obnoxious commercials to the next rendition of Freebird or an overplayed Beethoven piece if it is WCRB or Me & Bobby McGhee for the 9 millionth time. Fact is, though, if I were P.D. and a rival P.D. and one of his jocks had singled out a writer they didn't like, I might ask some of my people to stay out of the fray. Few people have the courage to get involved.

Few people will stand up to program directors the way Charles does or the way Michael Fremer did. Fremer got fired and Charles walked away - so the listener loses out on some great radio because creativity rarely - strike that, creativy just doesn't flow from Corporate headquarters.

Thank you for your compliments regarding my writings. The books on Lou Reed and Jimi Hendrix are for a specific audience, so I don't expect to hit the best seller list. My philosophy has always been do what you are good at.

Writing the next "Rosemary's Baby" or "Myra Breckinridge" or "Valley Of The Dolls" probably won't happen from my pen. It's not what I do.

 

[fwdmo]

The attacks in Brooklyndon's thread are what the moderator warned against.

Being technical, Brooklyndon's post was his OPINION. He/she may need to add an "IMHO" to each of his/her statements, but they are opinion, just like the Managing Editor said was ok for Joe to post.

 

[Lucylu]

Does anyone else get freaked out reading Joe talking to himself and answering questions he's asked of himself under different names? It's kind of like that moment in the movie magic when you are not sure if the dummy is alive or not.

I, for one, will stop talking to or about Joe; he does enough of that for all of us.

 

[Varulven]

Lucy Lu lies because she just spoke about me again. The more you Swift Boat Lucy Lu, the more I will write long essays to shut you up. You and Intercomm99 promised to stop yapping about me. Stop already.


THIS ENTIRE THREAD, started by Intercomm99, is a violation of what the Moderator asked in a previous post.
"Response" to the editor should be either moved to that original thread or removed entirely.

Then the Peanut Gallery starts up again - more names with no name and no reputation. Do they have any talent?

FWDMO is Wrong because It was a blatant attack from Brooklyndon/you-know-who-the-banned-one:


Re: My Response to the "Editor"
« Reply #43 on: Today at 12:12:39 pm »

BANNED ONE FROM NY WRITES UNDER NEW NAME: BROOKLYNDON:
"experience" is worthless because he's talking about crap that happened more than 25 years ago with no-name bands no one cares about.

Total Libel: we've discussed current and past achievements that are considered quite valuable - if you are to believe the record shop owners who talk to Carmelita at WAAF, or the discs selling all over eBay and Froogle.

You call THIS opinion?:
His posts are convoluted, and non-linear. simply cannot write effectively. When was the last time he was published in a mainstream publication?

That's pure libel from someone who needs his former PD to write for him!

#1 - maybe the poster doesn't need "credentials", but I'm published in major outlets all the time, sometimes weekly, sometimes more than weekly. What's your definition of "mainstream"? And why the concern on MY writings? This is a RADIO board.

The libelous poster is the one out of touch with reality. His posts are inefficient. Deflecting because he/she "Brooklyndon" is the #1 time waster on this board, and needs to be banned (again!)

 

[Cueburn]

STOP PLEASE

This Joe bashing and Joe bashing everyone else is real OLD!!! Please lock this thread down.

Joe we know what you have done in years past. Stop telling us, please. Everyone else stop responding..


I beg of you shut this thread down!!!!

 

[Dano_Murf]

"I'm a mirror,
you are glue.
What you say bounces off me and....."

Aw, forget it - I ain't gettin' mixed up in this.

 

[manager3]

Joe Vigs "experience" is worthless because he's talking about crap that happened more than 25 years ago with no-name bands no one cares about.

His posts are convoluted, and non-linear. Joe simply cannot write effectively. When was the last time he was published in a mainstream publication?

Joe is out of touch with reality. His posts are inefficient. Joe is the #1 time waster on this board, and needs to be banned.

I have to say that this is an opinion. There is nothing inflammatory. AGAIN...you don't have to agree with the poster...


Managing Board Editor

 

[Erie_Lackawanna]

Re: Note to "Erie"

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and to Answer Erie L,

if I have THAT much impact on radio in Boston...wow, for 6 Corporations to send memos to people not to interact with me would be truly an accomplishment. (snipped)

um - never said that 6 corporations sent memos. i mentioned the ONE i have. and you're not the reason we were told not to post - like the rest of us - you're not that much of an impact.
you ARE the reason many of us have CHOSEN not to post. your discussions, at times, start off in a civil manner, and then like a pit bull - your hackles are up and you chomp. you are incapable of accepting another's opinion on anything to which you consider yourself an expert. not an attack - just an observation.
we all have a basis of pride for which we can truly speak to that which we know. but not all of us have the ability to accept another's viewpoint which may be just as true.

 

[Varulven]

well, Erie, perhaps you haven't met me, perhaps you have. One artist on my label called me "presidential", meaning, he believed my ability to listen to all sides of an argument and evaluate was helpful to all concerned.

Like anyone, I can have my gruff moments, but for the most part - though I may rib Raccoon, I respect his right to like Howie Carr's philosophy. Doesn't mean any of us have to understand it or agree with it - but knowing Bob personally, he's a good person and entitled to his opinion. When sneak attacks blitz the board, yer damn right I'm going to put on the boxing gloves. As one attorney said to me two weeks ago in regards to my crusade regarding access "I believe when you are in a fight, fight!" He didn't buy into their "he's crazy" routine at all. Many have said I'm "crazy as a fox", won't give myself THAT much credit.

The counsel that I'm opposing has utilized the same strategy as the swifties on this board: "Crazy, talentless, etc. etc. etc." Now you know & I know they want to demoralize - especially when we are talking $425,000.00 in funding and an 80 year old woman thrown out the door last week on her 60th anniversary by these people.
Her husband called me tonight very upset, he shakes at night they upset him so, and there are few people willing to "fight the good fight" when some mean spirited people get a little power and do bad things. Finally, some people are coming forward and joining this fight. But, really, when they push around 2 senior citizens,
I will stick to my guns and KNOW that I am right. That is called fortitude. Unlike George W. Bush who plunges headlong into a stupid battle hurting people and costing us billions, I choose to create change so that my little corner of the world is a better place for all concerned. Call me crazy, call me talentless, the City of Woburn was the beneficiary when I caught the old Continental Cablevision not paying the students their minimum wage. The Mayor got a nice big check and forced them to air my show again. So that's why when you read my posts if they go "over the top", it is because someone wants a reaction. John kerry turned the other cheek - I won't let them slap me twice without a response.

Yes, I know, a long and boring-to-some explanation - but there you have it. If the Swifties have painted me as one dimensional, well, you have to know the real me to see that you can't believe what shadows with internet handles write. I thank you for your opinion - I disagree with it - but appreciate it at the same time.

 

[Brooklyndon]

Re: Note to "Erie"

Sampled from Joe Vig:

...wow, for 6 Corporations to send memos to people not to interact with me would be truly an accomplishment.

 

[AKLes]

Is Joe REALLY Rush?

Beginning to think so!

They both are controversial.
Otherwise intelligent people expend immense effort in proclaiming their hatred of them.
The more they're attacked the greater the audience.
Each finds ways to express himsef that are inflammatory yet don't violate "The Rules"
With Rush, people who hate him listen daily to fuel their hatred. With Joe, people who hate him read his posts to fuel.....
Rush uses his ego to encourage enrage(!) his critics because he knows Barnum was right.
Joe.....

Yup!

I think Joe is really Rush, using this board to hone his skills!

 

[Varulven]

HEY, that's a violation of the rules. I might've gained SOME weight, but I do go to the gym - so calling me RUSH is an INSULT. I don't smoke cigars or go to the Denny's parking lot for drugs.

 

[weee]

I'm assuming you also don't call for the death of anyone who uses or sells drugs, while being caught with enough Oxycontin to fill a pharmacy

 

[AKLes]

I might've gained SOME weight, but I do go to the gym - so calling me RUSH is an INSULT. I don't smoke cigars or go to the Denny's parking lot for drugs.

Denial.

Well, that's a good first step......

Hey, it works for Rush!

 

[AKLes]

I'm assuming you also don't call for the death of anyone who uses or sells drugs, while being caught with enough Oxycontin to fill a pharmacy

Redundant to call for the death of those folks.

Use enough and it gets you sooner or later. If "Forces For Good In The Community" (a hate group chartered in Washington, D.C.) wishes for the demise of drug users all they need do is supply "them" with all they want for free. Fastest. Cheapest. But not feasible since it would deprive FFGITH the public spectacle of a show trial.