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> That guitar must be a remix in your head. The listener
> doesn't give an ish if it's "guitar-based" or not. To the
> listener Papa Roach is ROCK and Kelly Clarkson is POP --
> PERIOD! You shouldn't be putting your own preferences to
> how you program. The fact that you are breaking this down
> and disqualifying Kelly Clarkson as a pop artist is freaking
> hysterical. You really don't know the music at all.
WRONG!!!!!!!!! The listener doesn't say "Oh...Two rock songs in a row or Kelly Clarkson is pop and Papa Roach is Alternative/Rock or Trick Daddy is Modern AC spiked Hip-Hop with an R&B Twist"...
Are you insane?? My own preferences???? Any CHR/Mainstream programmer will tell you that BALANCE IS THE KEY!! When you have two guitar based songs, non rythmic songs in a row (you don't know what a guitar sounds like??) with the option of separating them with a rhythmic track, you have an UNBALANCED set! Simple as that! I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUSIC IS?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You don't even realize that a guitar is the main instrument in "Breakaway"!
With so much rhythmic music out there, I feel it's better to break up the rhythmic tracks with non-rhythmic tracks. Dude...I GAURANTEE you most PD's would agree.
> It doesn't matter what YOU think!
Really?? Than why I am programming? I think with my brain! I get paid for thinking! I'm the "PD" (hypothetically speaking, of course)
> Maybe in your market. That's the great thing about market
> research and testing.
Yes...to let bad programmers like you sleepwalk through their job and justify their bad decisions.
> Umm...so was "Atomic Dog". And "It Takes Two". But some
> CHR's still spike those in. So, because B2K is so "2002",
> anything 2002 and earlier is "dated" and shouldn't be
> played. That logic is just outright ridiculous.
"Atomic Dog" and "It Takes Two" were CULTURALLY more significant than ANYTHING B2K put out (including "Bump Bump Bump"). Not to mention, 10x more familiar. You and your supposed "research"...show me research that "Uh-HUH" is relevant to the format!
> Again, MARKET RESEARCH AND TESTING! "Where's the Love" was
> only a couple of years old at the height of N'Sync mania.
> Last weekend, I heard WNCI, one of the most respected CHR's
> in the country, playing Pink's "Family Portrait". That song
> was a stiff, but it obviously tests well for their demo.
> You really, really need to know what you're talking about.
Many stations that pride themselves on 'RESEARCH' and 'HIGH TESTING SONGS' end up FAILING in the ratings...Why? Because they let the 'RESEARCH' *dictate* the way their stations SOUNDS.
Let's see your log...Better yet, let's see all this alledged "research" that proves everything I said unequivocally wrong.
> The song was perfect (no pun intended) for the time it was
> released -- prom and graduation season.
WHAT??? "Here's To The Night", "Graduation" etc...Songs of HOPE and looking ahead to the futre are perfect for prom and graduation season! Not songs about a guy that's lost all hope and feels like crap! "Untitled" is fine...but it wasnt the "perfect prom and graduation song!!" Are you insane?? Have you listened to the lyrics???
> > "Dreams" will be a stiff. Those deep, message type rap
> > records never do well.
> Umm...what's that about? What does working for Clear
> Channel have to do with any of this? The fact is, Clear
> Channel station do their OWN research and testing for their
> own markets. There is no corporate add/drop list or
> playlist. Unlike...oh, I dunno....CUMULUS!
I wasn't taking a dig at CC...I was remembering out loud that CC has this "Stripped" thing with all of their CHR's. You're an odd bird...
> Are you trying to get back stage passes or a Meet-N-Greet or
> something? You keep plugging this song. I've heard better.
Oh, but wait..."It shouldn't matter what YOU think!" (sound familiar?)
> And radio isn't supposed to be programmed to YOUR PERSONAL
> likes/dislikes -- which is exactly what you're doing.
WRONG!!! I'll be honest with ya...I DESPISE 95 percent of the stuff on my playlist! You have no idea what kind of music I like!
> > You have three
> > records with "rap" in them...in a row! Technically every
> > song on your station is "pop" (short for "popular"). You
> > should program based on sonics, not labels or category
> > semantics.
>
> Will Smith is NOT considered rap. This is not 1988.
> Period. Maybe to a 45 year old he is, but that's not your
> core.
Oh stop...You're embarassing yourself.
> You really just don't get
> it. At all!
Yes...you've made that abudantly clear. Still waiting for your playlist...
> Says who? Ok, I'll call it: bullsh*t! Why would you want
> to play an "A" out of a stopset when many people *might* not
> hear it. A valid argument can be made both ways (and save
> your keystrokes and don't try to argue with me as if your
> reasoning is better).
Z100 does it. They're doing pretty well. Yes...my reasoning IS better. I'm a smarter programmer than you. I think "musically", you think in terms of "categories" and "labels". C'mon, Cubby...let's see that sample hour.
> Nothing personal, but your clock would be cleaned in a
> TREND!
Okay...I'll be playing "This Love" and you'll be playing "Uh-Huh". Guess which station will have more listeners at that given moment?
And you'll be playing "Encore" while I'll be playing "Lose Yourself". Guess again...
Show me your log, big boy.
> doesn't give an ish if it's "guitar-based" or not. To the
> listener Papa Roach is ROCK and Kelly Clarkson is POP --
> PERIOD! You shouldn't be putting your own preferences to
> how you program. The fact that you are breaking this down
> and disqualifying Kelly Clarkson as a pop artist is freaking
> hysterical. You really don't know the music at all.
WRONG!!!!!!!!! The listener doesn't say "Oh...Two rock songs in a row or Kelly Clarkson is pop and Papa Roach is Alternative/Rock or Trick Daddy is Modern AC spiked Hip-Hop with an R&B Twist"...
Are you insane?? My own preferences???? Any CHR/Mainstream programmer will tell you that BALANCE IS THE KEY!! When you have two guitar based songs, non rythmic songs in a row (you don't know what a guitar sounds like??) with the option of separating them with a rhythmic track, you have an UNBALANCED set! Simple as that! I DON'T KNOW WHAT MUSIC IS?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You don't even realize that a guitar is the main instrument in "Breakaway"!
With so much rhythmic music out there, I feel it's better to break up the rhythmic tracks with non-rhythmic tracks. Dude...I GAURANTEE you most PD's would agree.
> It doesn't matter what YOU think!
Really?? Than why I am programming? I think with my brain! I get paid for thinking! I'm the "PD" (hypothetically speaking, of course)
> Maybe in your market. That's the great thing about market
> research and testing.
Yes...to let bad programmers like you sleepwalk through their job and justify their bad decisions.
> Umm...so was "Atomic Dog". And "It Takes Two". But some
> CHR's still spike those in. So, because B2K is so "2002",
> anything 2002 and earlier is "dated" and shouldn't be
> played. That logic is just outright ridiculous.
"Atomic Dog" and "It Takes Two" were CULTURALLY more significant than ANYTHING B2K put out (including "Bump Bump Bump"). Not to mention, 10x more familiar. You and your supposed "research"...show me research that "Uh-HUH" is relevant to the format!
> Again, MARKET RESEARCH AND TESTING! "Where's the Love" was
> only a couple of years old at the height of N'Sync mania.
> Last weekend, I heard WNCI, one of the most respected CHR's
> in the country, playing Pink's "Family Portrait". That song
> was a stiff, but it obviously tests well for their demo.
> You really, really need to know what you're talking about.
Many stations that pride themselves on 'RESEARCH' and 'HIGH TESTING SONGS' end up FAILING in the ratings...Why? Because they let the 'RESEARCH' *dictate* the way their stations SOUNDS.
Let's see your log...Better yet, let's see all this alledged "research" that proves everything I said unequivocally wrong.
> The song was perfect (no pun intended) for the time it was
> released -- prom and graduation season.
WHAT??? "Here's To The Night", "Graduation" etc...Songs of HOPE and looking ahead to the futre are perfect for prom and graduation season! Not songs about a guy that's lost all hope and feels like crap! "Untitled" is fine...but it wasnt the "perfect prom and graduation song!!" Are you insane?? Have you listened to the lyrics???
> > "Dreams" will be a stiff. Those deep, message type rap
> > records never do well.
> Umm...what's that about? What does working for Clear
> Channel have to do with any of this? The fact is, Clear
> Channel station do their OWN research and testing for their
> own markets. There is no corporate add/drop list or
> playlist. Unlike...oh, I dunno....CUMULUS!
I wasn't taking a dig at CC...I was remembering out loud that CC has this "Stripped" thing with all of their CHR's. You're an odd bird...
> Are you trying to get back stage passes or a Meet-N-Greet or
> something? You keep plugging this song. I've heard better.
Oh, but wait..."It shouldn't matter what YOU think!" (sound familiar?)
> And radio isn't supposed to be programmed to YOUR PERSONAL
> likes/dislikes -- which is exactly what you're doing.
WRONG!!! I'll be honest with ya...I DESPISE 95 percent of the stuff on my playlist! You have no idea what kind of music I like!
> > You have three
> > records with "rap" in them...in a row! Technically every
> > song on your station is "pop" (short for "popular"). You
> > should program based on sonics, not labels or category
> > semantics.
>
> Will Smith is NOT considered rap. This is not 1988.
> Period. Maybe to a 45 year old he is, but that's not your
> core.
Oh stop...You're embarassing yourself.
> You really just don't get
> it. At all!
Yes...you've made that abudantly clear. Still waiting for your playlist...
> Says who? Ok, I'll call it: bullsh*t! Why would you want
> to play an "A" out of a stopset when many people *might* not
> hear it. A valid argument can be made both ways (and save
> your keystrokes and don't try to argue with me as if your
> reasoning is better).
Z100 does it. They're doing pretty well. Yes...my reasoning IS better. I'm a smarter programmer than you. I think "musically", you think in terms of "categories" and "labels". C'mon, Cubby...let's see that sample hour.
> Nothing personal, but your clock would be cleaned in a
> TREND!
Okay...I'll be playing "This Love" and you'll be playing "Uh-Huh". Guess which station will have more listeners at that given moment?
And you'll be playing "Encore" while I'll be playing "Lose Yourself". Guess again...
Show me your log, big boy.